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One of our Silver Members found this thread on the Adult Web-cam FAQs forum.
Here a group of models complain loudly about the ways that the ImLive web-site cheats them of their share of what they earn for that web-site - working on their backs..

Says a lot about the lack of bargaining power of most models with the web-sites that employ them - even when we are talking about self-employed independent models.

That lack of market power says a lot about the need for regulation to give the models more leverage in dealing with the "web-content" providers.

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just4fun
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:07 am Post subject: Imlive are nothing but theives! / Imlive are nothing but theives!
Hey there i use to cam on ImLive but stopped after hearing of all the complaints of chargebacaks from very unhappy models. How doe's imlive get away from ripping off their models? They say they are not reponsible for the charge backs that cc billing is.They say they have no control over the charge backs , they say their website has the lowest number of charge backs and they are doing everything possible to keep it that way , thats a bunch of crock i cam on another website that they take care of the charge backs not the models nothing gets taken from their earnings. There was a model who posted on imlives fourm and said that she had a freind that bought shows from her and charge backs showed up in her earnings and were deducted from her pay. her friend has never done a charge back with imlive and even showed her his credit card stement and there was nothing on it stating that imlive gave him credit. hmmmmmmmm suspicious if you ask me. How doe's imlive get away with this time after time ? no offense but they have models over there that are so naive to this. I even posted on their forum about how i felt about imlive deducting from the models earnings to cover the charge backs and guess what imlive deleted my post faster than you can shake a stick at LOL and now i guess they have blocked my posting privilages on their forum because they knew i was right and did'nt want the models there to find out who they really are which is no good thieves hopefully some models saw my post but i don't know imlive deleted my post pretty damn quick LOL got 2 words for you imlive if you happen to come across this post SUCK IT!!!


Chathost
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Imlive are nothing but theives! / Imlive are nothing but theives!

just4fun wrote:
Hey there i use to cam on ImLive but stopped after hearing of all the complaints of chargebacaks from very unhappy models. How doe's imlive get away from ripping off their models? They say they are not reponsible for the charge backs that cc billing is.They say they have no control over the charge backs , they say their website has the lowest number of charge backs and they are doing everything possible to keep it that way , thats a bunch of crock i cam on another website that they take care of the charge backs not the models nothing gets taken from their earnings. There was a model who posted on imlives fourm and said that she had a freind that bought shows from her and charge backs showed up in her earnings and were deducted from her pay. her friend has never done a charge back with imlive and even showed her his credit card stement and there was nothing on it stating that imlive gave him credit. hmmmmmmmm suspicious if you ask me. How doe's imlive get away with this time after time ? no offense but they have models over there that are so naive to this. I even posted on their forum about how i felt about imlive deducting from the models earnings to cover the charge backs and guess what imlive deleted my post faster than you can shake a stick at LOL and now i guess they have blocked my posting privilages on their forum because they knew i was right and did'nt want the models there to find out who they really are which is no good thieves hopefully some models saw my post but i don't know imlive deleted my post pretty damn quick LOL got 2 words for you imlive if you happen to come across this post SUCK IT!!!


It's gotten so bad at ImLive that they are actually charging (Hot Spots) models to move to the top of the display line. LOL. And their traffic sucks. When you mention it in the forums, it's always the same ole standard reply - "spend time in free chat." LOL. Traffic there sucks as well. You'd think they could pull in more traffic for the 69 percent cut they take from the models LMAO.



deliverytruck
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:11 am Post subject: Totally Agree / Imlive are nothing but theives!
I have to agree 100% that a lot of the large cam sites including ImLive.

I'm a programmer by trade and I had a friend of mine a chat host come to me in regards to making her an independant site. So what we cam up with was this.

Design a fully functional multi-model cam site. Then from there we made personalized landing pages for the models and linked them to their profiles. So the feel of a personalized site was obtained.

Basically a group a pissed off girls approached me and we found a solution. We offer 85% to models who refer their own clients and any clients we get you you recieve 65%.

So if you have a lot of regulars and u need a way to process transactions we can help you. We pay weekly to epassporte, wire, or cheque.

We offer cam2cam, customers can buy you gifts with your address staying private , you can record shows and charge them for playback as PPV.

http://360livexxx.xxx/performersignup.php


Mandy_Muffin
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Joined: 27 Aug 2009

Location: Mississauga Ontario

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:27 pm Post subject: / Imlive are nothing but theives!
I ditched ImLive long time ago. They are THIEVES!!!


"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Feb 27 10 2:15 PM

More from Web-cam FAQs on Imlive and payouts. Again models talking to each other and web-site admins..
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IndyCamChick
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Joined: 25 Aug 2008

Location: USA

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:59 pm

Has anyone heard of this new ImLive site that will pay 42% and no chargebacks? Does anyone know what the site is called?


HustlerDiva
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Joined: 18 Oct 2009



Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:25 pm Post subject: / New Imlive Site Paying 42%?
sexier.com....I believe
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missangie
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Joined: 08 Jan 2009



Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:46 pm Post subject: how come / New Imlive Site Paying 42%?
when i go to model sign up they say from the house of ImLive, and then you see earn 42 % and no cashbacks, whats the deal?
Imlive pays 35/40 % and huge cascbacks and here its not possible.................
Why not do that on Imlive as well
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Annabellz
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:37 am Post subject: Re: how come / New Imlive Site Paying 42%?
missangie wrote:
when i go to model sign up they say from the house of ImLive, and then you see earn 42 % and no cashbacks, whats the deal?
Imlive pays 35/40 % and huge cascbacks and here its not possible.................
Why not do that on Imlive as well


Hmm well I went to sign up and heres what the 'fine print' says-

Company Fee Per Minute:
The Company Fee is 58%-65% of what your Member pay for every minute in your HGCS and of what Member/users pay for viewing your videos and/or other materials as described on the Site. The fee is 58% for Member that became paying Member through the free live chat rooms and 65% for all other Member.

(Meaning you are paid 42%-35% of the amount collected. 42% for guests who convert into members on sexier.com from your room 35% for anyone else who is a member already.)


Please note: this Company fee applies only for new Member in the entire I.M.L.I.V.E. group of sites including but not limited to Sexier.com. For existing Member in other I.M.L.I.V.E. sites the Company fee will be 70%. The Company policy is that Model are not allowed to solicit Member to switch from any I.M.L.I.V.E. site to Sexier.com. Any Model that violates this rule is risking termination of her account & forfeiting all earnings.

(This means anyone who is already a member on any IMLIVE site you will only make 30% frown

If you bring a new Member to the Site that became a paying member, the Company fee will be 20% less than the above mentioned fees. Chargeback will be deducted from referral fees. New Member is a Member that was not previously a member in any of the I.M.L.I.V.E. sites including but not limited to Sexier.com.
Please note that commission might change at any time upon the sole discretion on Sexeir.com and once change they apply immediately.

(This last paragraph I really dont even begin to understand.)

Its sort of misleading imo to say they pay 42% because the only way to get 42% is to convert someone who never had an account on any IMlive site to sign up from your free guest chat.

Otherwise it looks like you're going to earn between 30-35% depending on where they got their membership from. And then that second bit about chargebacks, looks like you can still get charge backs from IMlive members but not sexier.com members? Im not sure and I dont know that I want to try to find out.


"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Feb 28 10 2:57 AM

Its really a Farce that Sexier.com wont have chargebacks.

They say they will absorbe chargebacks... to a point!! When a model has high % of chargebacks, THe site under its own discreation will consider the model involved in fraudlent activtie. Site dont have to provide any docotumentation or edevience .

At Sexier.com, Model gets 42% to convert a New Guest.

Pvt is 35%

Imlive member 30%

I see on a "Forum" model ask why I'm live not absord chargebacks as Sexier.com, as its the same company.

Imlive say at imlive they have different benifints, such as ! Host Happy Hour., Hall of Fame, and Mad Video and the chance to win prizes, such as Designer handbags and Movie Cameras. The post on the forum was taken down after many models asked the same question why Imliive couln't stop chargebacks if Sexier can

Another negetive for Models working I'm Live is that new Hosts have to compleat 120 hors of Free Live Chat. The highest period at dicount rate in the chat industry before they can opt out of FLC and change their price.

A new Model at Imlive recieves 0.34 cents per minute. Less if they work for a studio

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Mar 20 11 5:41 PM

models over there that are so naive to this. In response to this statment.I am a very happy cam model at imlive . There is no way i can say its the best site for all models.I can tell you that I am not naive about the charge backs .It dose suck to deal with But at the same time I make more money at imlive then i do anyother cam site.making X,000 a pay check is very easy at imlive .Most cam site that i have worked that do cover chargebacks have very little traffic for me. and most all cam sites pay out the chat hosts 30 to 35% . Imlive offers 100 % to host when converting a free member to a pay member out of the free live video chat .That is something that i have enjoyed a lot.
Most cam sites have a permotional price of 98 cents a min for new hosts or somthing lower then a lowest price per minute to choose to work.The only reason imlive makes them do free video for 120 hours is to give them max exsposure . Maybe havin a huge number of hosts working there that will weed out the ones not making good money from the start or not whole heartedly into it .
There is a lot of hard compitition at imlive .If you do not have a great business plan to work cam sites now days yoou will most lilely not do so well.There are porn stars and escorts into this that have a full team of players working with them to see that money is made .A regular girl at home has to be very good at what is done on cam to compete with this.
Imlive is like any site .All about the money.The girls that make the most get treated with the best permotion .You make imlive a lot of money they will place you in there hall of fame and if you work free live video chat 50 % of your time online they will cover the charge backs you might or may have other wise gotton.
Its true there will be all kinds of reason to hate a site.Just try as many sites out there and see what one works best for you .
As for the girls that complain in the forums all the time . Most just do it to rant and vent .Those that make good money there sure vent to blow off steam But will log in the next day and every day after and continue working there ,Must be a reason they stay there even after complaining.I seen a lot of girls come and go from imlive .You see that at all sites.Maybe not knowing what there doing and thinking its easy work like just sitting in front of a cam and getting naked or talking is all there is to it .Not true .. The secrets to being a top model there to make 5,000 is never gonna be shared .Somthing you got to find out for yourself

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Jan 31 13 3:21 AM

Imlive....the worst of the worst cam sites

I was a host on imlive for 4 years. The closed my account on 3 different occasions, all for the STUPIDEST things. Once they closed my account because I posted on the imlive forums that I was upset that they had taken a huge chunk of my paycheck out for chargebacks (when a guest disputes the charges claiming their credit card was stolen or simply because they didn't want to pay the money and disputed the charges) and they closed my account over that! I managed to get my account reopened again, only for them to close it again over something stupid. By the third time, I didn't really care as I wasn't really even working on there anymore as I had moved to another better cam site (streamates.com) with traffic that is WAY better. The traffic on imlive was absolutely terrible. At first the traffic was great and I had made like $700 in a week and a half (which pails in comparison to the hall of fame hosts which can make upwards of $2000 every 2 weeks) but it was pretty good money for me. But over the next 4 years, the traffic was SO bad, I was lucky if I could make $300 or $400 working 80-100 hours every pay period (every 2 weeks). And that was BEFORE chargebacks were taken out of my check. No other cam site pulls this crap where they take chunks out of their hosts paychecks that the hosts EARNED. Imlive's policies are starting to go down hill and hosts are making less and less on that site due to lack of traffic and lack of customer service caring about lack of traffic. They rob their hosts out of money. Take the discount club for starters. Guests can join a hosts discount club for $16 a month and hosts are supposed to get 70% of that and get $11.20 for every discount club joined. Now imlive is taking more profit out of that and the hosts only get 50% of that and get a lousy $8 so not only are they making less every minute a guest is in their chat room since guests get a discounted rate per minute if they join a discount club, that means hosts make LESS per minute for the whole 30 days a guest is in a discount club, but we also get less of the profit out of tat $16 we are supposed to be getting...we were getting $11.20 per discount club member and now it's $8 as imlive is going to take more of your profits!!! And you're LUCKY if you even get that $8! Guests can now use a discount voucher to join discount clubs which means a FREE SHOW!!! If they use a discount voucher, you don't get paid at all for that first show and from then on out, you make a very small amount per private chat after that....it's basically pocket change so the discount club is a HUGE rip off....it's just change! There's also the happy hour chats were make imlive a sh*t load of money and the hosts hardly anything. If you host a happy hour chat, you get paid a flat fee of $10.50 per hour and you can get literally hundreds of guests in happy hour spending money on your show for a discount rate and all you get is $10.50 for the whole hour. So for like a dollar something a minute, these guests are paying to see you in happy hour and you get a measly $10.50 for the whole hour which is a great way for imlive to make a huge profit for themselves off all those guests paying to see you while you get a flat rate. The main reason I got off the site in October was because of the traffic. I'm making $1600-$1800 a MONTH on streamates in half the time (working 4-6 hours a day comparing to 7-10 hours a day on imlive). Another host on imlive told me about streamates.com and told me to sign up with them and I haven't looked back yet. What's messed up is that I let a few of my regulars know that I was leaving the site, imlive froze my account and threatened to keep my earnings (over $250!) for telling the guests I was leaving the site, yet the host who spread the word that she was also leaving the site and to follow her to the new site where I'd make more money goes unpunished. So they fire me for the same thing and let her keep her job. How messed up is that?? This site is horrible to their hosts, has horrible policies and lousy traffic. I do NOT recommend imlive!!! Worst cam site ever!!!

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Jan 31 13 1:15 PM

Thanks for your comments Britney, I have given you the permissions you need to view and post in the models area.
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"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Feb 5 13 4:25 AM

UncleLewis wrote:
Your most welcome. Why not vent some more here?

I have a different request, which is for you to skim through some of the threads initiated by members and write some of your observations, comments, critics and criticisms about what you read and what impressions you get. Give us (here) your point of view.

Thanks.

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and you didn't know that you're going for a ride?

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Feb 6 13 4:02 AM

Imlive Total Crooks

I was with them for alittle over 7 years.  In the beginning traffic was better. I barely ever, ever, ever got any chargebacks. Last 2 months all the girls having issues streaming. The stupid tech support and forums just keep saying they will check the room, like duh, anyone can do that. All the while they are not really fixing anything and the stupidity is going in a continous loop. I got a chargeback from a supposed fraudster who did half hour shows and they took out $121 dollars!  Every month the poor gals have so many chargebacks and get so upset, at which imlive deletes posts on the forum if camgirl wants to be honest.  The cut/paste/generic replies are so condescending and callous. Got mamas trying to feed their babies who are not getting what the mamas worked for, but all imlive can say is "blah, blah, blah". There is nothing tangible or personable about these people.  I think because business is bad, so they just stole my $121 dollars! Greedy theiving beoches! 

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Feb 16 13 12:55 PM

As a customer on imlive/webcam king I am appalled to learn of the charge back policy employed by imlive.  This means I will encourage every model I know to leave the site and other customers that go on too.
From looking at myfreecams.com I can veritfy that models are paid a proper percentage (60%) and treated with more respect than imlive.
Imlive should change its policy or there should be a campaign to get it closed. I am willing to lead that campaign if necessary

pianoman

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Feb 17 13 11:08 PM

Imlive

As far as telling the girls to go on another site, let them find their own. The site is selective on who will get CB, honestly !! Some gals still not having issues, are kissing up to the site and doing ok.  But, as appears behind the scenes, the issues the site is having is beyond just the CBs and will likely shut it down, if they continue to operate the way they are now. Traffic is dwindling, streaming issues are run amok.
As is obvious, every site has issues and some models do fantastic at one place and terrible at the next. Each and every camhost on imlive is knowledgeable of the chargebacks. Also they can have the smarts to make better choices and stop kissing arse to the CS. Seems CS is big on kissing arse!! The answers  they give the camhosts act like they are doing something and NOT.. I have sent a message to Silvia with a nice response, but "Just considering" my ideas is NOT enough!!! As I've done many times before, I told them that they need to stop CB on Veteran camhosts with low % CBs over the years being Imlive is losing those top earners by the droves. AND, they can allow "insurance" via 2-5% holdback (6 mos increments) to all other hosts, which would eliminate CBs altogether. But honestly, yes, I hate to say it, I think they are outright stealing. I, and most others there have witnessed sending referrals to the site to get 100% profit,  only to find the site then chooses to start saying we DID not refer that person, or that person signed in another email, and blah blah blah. Bullcrap. They seem to not have a duplication checker system or anything else that could be easily fixed by a REAL Operations Analyst in their staffing. Proper fraud tactics allow for not allowing a person's name, address or account info to be duplicated. I think Imlive's fraudguard is extremely pathetic, along with their "hopeless" looped responses to the camhosts. They cannot even listen to anyone, like me, who knows anything and can help them fix stuff. Just plain ignorance on their part, and I do not trust them at all. If they were sincere, they would not lose camhosts, such as myself, that love giving a great show to the members, have remained 5 star and seldom CBs for years!smiley: roll Heads will roll, and they might end up as a more "dead" site than the girls are complaining about now, ............all the way to their demise, sadly and COMPLETELY unavoidable if they had the right people running the ship !!! I really used to like this site ! 

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