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Dec 18 14 4:09 AM

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After a long time of silence and minding my own business and many years observing and interacting  with people in camlandia I found some admissions that I find truly enlightening.

It reveals the actual admissions of what many models think, feel and view members(who are real people, just like the very women who posted these replies). After I post this, I will respond to these bitches and speak my mind to those who act and feel this way through their own admissions. I find it offensive, insulting and reveals a total lack of respect, morals and ethics when they do their jobs, and then cry foul about how they are viewed and treated. What do you expect in return, I ask? I think based upon these revelations you deserve what you get in return.

I do have real friends who are women, who cam, and I will say right off the bat, that what I will post now is fucked up. And these women who feel and think like those who candidly expressed their thoughts, do not deserve any respect at all. 

Manipulation and guilt

"So I've been camming for a while, but I still feel guilty when I tell guys I'm single. I just always make more money, and I have to go with what pays the bills. It's like the more I tell them about being single the more money they give me. It's so weird, but I feel guilty because the lying aspect of it? I don't know.. 

I also have this guy who wants to meet me, know my real name, and wanted my texting number. Of course I gave him a fake real name, and a google number (told him it was google btw) , and told him I could never meet him. He's always been a tip bomber like 10k tokens before on mfc every once in a while so I don't really want to lose him as a tipper. But it's also like dude I've told you I'm never going to meet you for a couple years, so now I just string him along and keep saying I need to get to know him better and MAYBE we could meet, that sort of thing. I just got tired of telling him no. I'm starting to think that he wants the fantasy of meeting up, but doesn't really? Either way I kinda feel bad about him too even though he should know better by now. 

I just need to rekindle my hustling spirit, and stop feeling bad!! I just don't know how.."


"Most of your customers lie to you too. Many "single" guys come to my club, try to hook up with the dancers, spend hours in the champagne room and later admit to having girlfriends or wives and families. Deep down and logically they know that most of us entertainers are NOT single. I mean come on...but they choose to keep coming back and spending their money. Your product is the fantasy that they have a "chance" with a beautiful girl so keep selling it to them. Nothing to feel guilty about. If they were really serious about trying to get a girlfriend, they wouldn't be on cam sites or in clubs."

"Yeah. Dont forget to separate your "fantasy self" and "real self". U re not lying, just doin your business, simply.
Honestly, i would feel guilty,if i say something true about myself to them. :* By the way they usually dont care about that. In my experience, some of them need "special care", but it s not you who they care about, only themselves. Doin the same is absolutely fair."


"They are paying for a fantasy and they have zero care or loyalty to you! Drop that guilt and give them what they are paying you for."

"Thanks I really needed to hear this. Sometimes I just want to quit mfc and the needy emotional regulars and just start up on streamate and just do privates and focus only on guys with their weiners and wallets out."

"I know how you feel there! This is one of the main reasons I left MFC. In my experience, the guys there are just WAY too needy and spend WAY too little.

"No matter what site you are on though, you'll get clingy pushy customers, you just have to roll with it or cut them off. And don't be afraid to cut them off when they are reaching the expiration date... all regulars have an expiration date and sometimes you just have to drop them and never look back. Some of these guys, while they spend a lot, can be a real emotional drain if you let them. You'll always get new regulars that replace the old ones."

"You don't owe them any explanation for your personal life, this is a JOB. Not your social life.

If you waited tables & had a big tipping regular. Would you ever agree to come to his house & serve him dinner? Wouldn't you think he is NUTS.
When you log off, your job is done. "

"You've got nothing to feel guilty abt as long as you're not deliberately causing them harm.

Dancers who drug customers in order to rip them off? FKD UP. That's the kind of thing a girl should be feeling guilty over. Not sure what the camgirl equivalent of that would be, but you get the point.

Your customers aren't there bc they care abt you. They are there bc they want smtg from you. Many of them are also perfectly happy to lie to you in order to get whatever it is they are looking for, whether it's a slimey-but-still-mostly-innocent 'I'm single' when they aren't or 'Let's meet so I can buy you dinner/take you shopping/etc but I PROMISE OH BB I SWEAR no sex!' in the hopes that you'll actually meet them & give them a chance to corner you."

"Sometimes, customers think because they give an big tip that you owe them something. You should know that it just does not happen to those in the adult industry but also to those in psychic entertainment. Your customer sounds like my first psychic entertainment customer on ebay.com. He brought all of my psychic readings and then after the first reading...demanding my real name, used panties, and phone number. He also sound like my Niteflirt customer demanding to know where my ebony character lived. Their asses just got block and deleted after they paid handsomely. My point is that your customers really . do not care about you as an person...so you should not care about their "emotional attachment" towards you. Many of them want to run game on you. Do not allow them to get into your head. Always remember you are just a fantasy seller and he is just an client. Always be loyal to your money first "

"Why on earth would you think that being single makes more money? Men love it that I am married, I tell them I am looking for a fuck buddy and all is good. They have the fantasy and no commitment!"

"Just guessing here, but it sounds like she tells them that bc it gets her the desired results. I know that in the clubs you will def find a lot of customers that prefer a 'single' girl & will hesitate or even completely shut down from a 'not-single' girl, & vice versa. I wouldn't think it's much different w/ camming."

"I agree that, i used to say that i am single, but now i tell that i am in open relationship and my boyfriend adores me so much that he do all i want, even let me fuck with others if i want. And it is working with me.

Also, if he keep tipping and do not bug you with his phone number, i think he knows that it is a fantasy. And if turns out, that he didn't know, then you always can say:"Oops, i thought it was a fantasy for you, and i made my best to fullfill that!"


Sooooo....

You come off as total bitches, don't you, in my view point. The  original poster felt some moral dilemma and had some ethical feelings but NO the rest of the posters just had to manipulate her into conforming with the consensus. All members lie? Bullshit, just the point of this thread shows how much you gals manipulate and lie!!! So please enough with the pointing fingers always on the members. You are just as guilty. 

You say members don't care? Some actually do, but your greed and tainted view of men who mostly are your bread and butter, who pay your bills, who allow you to bitch and say fuck those vanilla jobs etc. blablabla, and avoid reality because you think or feel you are above contempt, and everything else is very telling. Have some self respect and respect for others, why don't you?

You all sound like goldigging, manipulative, bitches, who are greedy, self centered, entitled cunts.

I have close friends who cam, and never have I treated them with contempt, disrespect, or any of the things you all have written regarding your custies. You just create a viscious cycle for your own selfish needs while admitting in your posts here how you truly view and feel towards many. Please don't tell me I don't know crap. I have a very good inside view of what really does occur to all sides of the data stream. 

To every person that gave me a rough time in the past, trying to discredit my written observations and thoughts, who covered their sorry asses for the benefit of themselves and the selfish greed they covered up, I say, stfu.

You equally manipulate, lie, steal, cheat, just as much as the fingers you point, towards your paying members. 

Please do not dare reply to me to protect your sorry asses to try to make yourselves angels or feel better about yourselves. You don't deserve any dignified, respectful reply if you agree with all the posts above. Have some humility, respect and dignity first.

You catch my drift? You don't deserve any respect either for the crap you dish out. I have the utmost respect, friendship and love for the few, I know for a long long time, and they, the same towards me, who make the posters in another forum who write such bitchy cultlike bullshit just to make a buck. Try earning an honest buck, you bitches. I have never disrespected anyone unless they do it first. And I am not talking about the "fantasy you gals call work". I have managed to become friends, really good friends with quite a few women who are cam models, and they would view those replies with equal contempt and disgust as I feel now.

I could rattle off some fucked up shit models have done to me and I have witnessed towards others, so quit your holier than thou messages, already.

If salespeople or businesses did the same as you gals did to some of your customers, the customer would bring back their purchased goods and get a complete refund. Ah  I presume camming is unique and different? Nope, it just offers people who seek to take advantage of others, on both sides of the exchange, an easy way to ply their talent. You all are equally guilty as is blatantly obvious.

For fucks sake... congratulations on what you all have created. I don't give a fuck what you think or feel either. You also have an expiration date, have the humility to admit it. Pathetic, meet you all in hell, laterz.

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�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

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Dec 19 14 2:41 PM

I can't say I'm surprised.

But what else is there. Camsites exist because there's money to be made. It would be good if there would be no manipulation, but it would be even better if people wouldn't let themselves be manipulated. Camsites are a way to drift from real life, real emotions and real experiences. I've been there and looking back I just needed something that wasn't to be found on camsites. The camgirl I visited made it even pretty clear it was purely business, and I still thought I needed something there.

Building a defense to stop drifting is each person's responsibility. This goes for pretty much everything in life, and will lead to better physical health, emotional development and social relations. Because let's face it, if camgirls wouldn't manipulate, there will always be a car salesman and real estate agent around the corner trying to do the exact same thing, just without nudity.

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Dec 25 14 9:59 PM

I  disagree with what you replied with, to some degree.


Is this the sort of world we all embrace? To be manipulated by everyone out there trying to earn a buck? Regardless whether it is in the sex industry or anywhere else for that matter? When did the sex industry and sales people become equally manipulative? When did life become a manipulative fuckfest?

There are plenty of sales people who are honest and transparent. The key to sales is not trying to fuck over your custie. That would not bring returning customers back to anyone, would it, no matter how fucked up their customers can be. But alas, this cam world is a place where people can string along individuals for a long time while making bank, ain't it?

You mention what else is out there? If you have to ask that, then you have become a submissive apathetic person. 

Maybe I view camming in a different light as far as some ridiculous place to enter and live some sort of fantasy. If this is a business, then treat it as such without the lies and manipulations. Get on, pay for the service, fap, and get the fuck out.  The cam world and the real world would be a better place, without the shit both sides bring to the table, wouldn't it? So I tell these women stop your fucking bitching, because they ain't no angels, either. Do your job without the head games and stop saying you have to do it because it is what it is. You are just as guilty, then.

Just for your info, there are plenty of gals out there who don't fuck with peoples heads for the sake of money, as well as in the real world. I dare those who manipulate and lie, to try and earn a buck without being manipulative bitches who don't give a rats ass for their paying clientele. 

Your final presumption says so much regarding what people do in real life and is brought in from real life, as part of the fantasy world that they use while  camming. I presume most of these women's clientele just enjoy being manipulated and  to be used for the sake of some ridiculous farfetched fantasy they need to get away from their own insecurities of their own real lives. If they even looked at themselves in the mirror they would not like what they see. Or they likely would see something entirely different than what reality displays.Cowards.....

Finally, these women who wrote that crap I posted, could not even fathom that it is possible to have a real friendship  non manipulative relationship with a man they met on a camsite or in reality, perhaps,based upon their own biases and judgemental views towards people generally. All they think is how can I suck a dollar out of this guy? 

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
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�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
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Jan 2 15 5:30 AM

What I disagree with is that I've read some forums with similarly posted messages by camsite models, and some postings the ladies have written that they do have a member or members with whom they have much affection, they look forward to those members signing into their chatrooms.

The model in this thread writes that she has an ethical problem, that it eats away at her, and that she's elected to string the guy along instead of continuing to be up front with him that there's no way she ever wants to meet him personally.

The advice she gets from her collegues is to remind her that part of this business has a side to it that sometimes forces models to make choices, continue the act, cut the guy loose, or whatever.

On one hand the guy ought to know better. *This* is the nature of camming, you can't avoid the social aspects. Unlike the lady behind a glass window in a booth in NY, a client chats with the model, almost like texting her. Unlike videos this is realtime show-some-stuff.

Some guys develop emotional attachments, isn't that the goal of flirting?

"Professional flirting" has a goal, to get a member to ante up, pay, buy the lady's time.

Missing from any advice given to the model with the ethical dilema eating her up is the suggestion that she lacks what it takes to be that kind of actress. She would feel better about herself on a site that lacks the social aspects of the chatboard.

"Stringing the guy along". I would think that anyone outside the industry and anyone unfamiliar with videochat had to cringe and feel a bit awkward on reading that paragraph. As for industry insiders and participants, some take one side, some take the other side.

Lo and behold, I have a friend wo has a friebd who just went overseas to meet his camlady friend, allegedly marry her, return back to the US leaving her there because of visa issues, and now she doesn't take his phone calls. So maybe she strung him along a lot, and maybe not. Maybe she had extreme misgivings. But at least she dropped him, gravy train is over.

I still say not to be so harsh on the ladies. The videochat industry has its darker sides, an unfortunate emotional vortex for the naive guys who really ought to know better.

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Jan 4 15 3:40 AM

That is exactly my point regarding stringing along some person regardless wherever it occurs. 


I ask you as a man to another man, "Is that how naive men truly have become?" You have a cock, you have a mind, you ended up on a sex site, so what, now? Yeah, I am calling you men out now.

You mean to tell me just because this is the cam world that it is commonplace and proper business ethics to string along people for the sake of a buck?

Looking at this all from an unbiased point of view,  you would think that the cam world is a place where mostly females know that the average male, has no self control.That the average male can not distinguish the reality of what it is all about, and can only think of their primitive needs and that the cultural pressures, in reality, is that they can not contain themselves, making it simple to string them along, for the sake of making bank. Just because the male species as many models prey upon, is that they think only with their genitals? Or that they have  a lack of self control? Or perhaps, they know men are the less intelligent gender?

How many times, I have observed a model who takes advantage of the weaker sex then. Lol. I watch a friend of mine who is a model, who has some member who is falling in love with her. Lol, he spends like there is no tomorrow. I just wonder if he or she really wonders what is going on or they just live some fantasy while she makes bank, and he spends thinking he can buy her love. Honestly, I think it is pathetic, but that is just me, perhaps. Why should I condemn her, because she is making bank.... hmmmm.

Let's be realistic shall we already. How many models do you know or have seen stringing along some person? Ah I am assuming that most men know better and probably say to themselves, hey I am not like the other guy, I know what I feel, see and think when it comes to this all. I won't get played or fooled, it's nothing but a harmless consensual exchange of a business transaction. Bullshit, you are buying something there guy. It's either porn so you can empty your sperm sac, or you're looking for something much more. Like filling that loneliness. Or thinking that you are above the other 99.9% of the guys who end up there on the site, that you won't get played virtually or realistically. Or maybe you just need to feed that ego and be the alpha male. Or is it that you just can't control yourselves and want to fit in with the notion that ALL MALES ACT THE SAME WAY. Or perhaps, you think you can become that special guy in some woman's life where she is there to care nothing more about you, other than your wallet. That you can beat the system. Think again, guy.

You yourself admitted you met someone, yes? Are you still friends? Blablabla.

I am not saying all models do take advantage but when you read the replies to this model, it makes you really wonder how despicable the opposite sex can be, but alas, they might respond with the same view regarding the male of the species. The audacity some of these women have, reflects how they have been treated by the opposite sex or become tainted in this world of fantasy. So once again, you ALL are responsible for what you have created. It seems so convenient to point the finger at just one side though, isn't it? But if you really pay attention to what really is occurring, you have to admit or ask yourself, a bunch of other important questions about what you see, and about yourself, if you play in that world or for that matter how everything has a cause and effect, upon each other.

I know of a model who married some member,left her country, and was treated like an object or captive because her husband didn't allow her to leave the house and treated her like some precious object he won. The fantasy was over, and I presume he was protecting his investment and was insecure about himself. She eventually, got a divorce, and went back to her country of origin.

It baffles my mind that all this world is all about is the fact, that most men, have huge egos, and need to be part of the preconceived and cultural pressures that this is how men should behave, regardless that they are on a porn site. When it comes down to pussy, tits, and ass,  most men can't think logically past their own genitals and need to prove they are the better male to win over that female. This is a reflection of the true reality,and of real life as well, that manifests itself, as well within the confines of the cam industry. I don't really hear of many women who act in the same manner, do we? Or perhaps there are some. I bet if you asked a typical woman, or cam model for that matter, if they would pay these prices to act like naive sex crazed consumers that they would answer "hell no, I would rather make the bank off of the weaker sex that has little self control. But there are anomalies too.

There are so many ways to skin a cat in this cam world. 

Yeah, yeah, tell me about it all. It's ok, it's ok, because there is nothing wrong with free will when it comes to exhibitionism or making a buck off one's body, but really, when did it become unethical? It is a result of both parties, and I will be damned if I will sit here and listen to someone point the finger solely upon the male consumer or species for that matter. 

These women mostly look forward to the $ aspect of expressing their affection for their customers. My good friend is right, if I met them within their work environment, they would never have given me the time of day, the respect and honesty, we have now after so many years. She never would have the joy to have met a person that she has grown to love as I do her. What a shame that if we did meet at her job, that she would never know what she is missing in reality. Think about that guys and gals.That says so much about how people are judged, viewed and treated within this cam world. I can only speak for myself, but when did treating anyone who might be your customer, or a person, who does or doesn't become your customer they meet at their jobs, deserve anything less than mutual respect that they themselves expect. Again this displays what everyone has created in this world, model and member alike.

I finish with the fact that being harsh, should be doled out equally to both parties involved.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
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�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
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Apr 12 15 5:43 PM

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I  disagree with what you replied with, to some degree.

Is this the sort of world we all embrace? To be manipulated by everyone out there trying to earn a buck? Regardless whether it is in the sex industry or anywhere else for that matter? When did the sex industry and sales people become equally manipulative? When did life become a manipulative fuckfest?


There are plenty of sales people who are honest and transparent. The key to sales is not trying to fuck over your custie. That would not bring returning customers back to anyone, would it, no matter how fucked up their customers can be. But alas, this cam world is a place where people can string along individuals for a long time while making bank, ain't it?


You mention what else is out there? If you have to ask that, then you have become a submissive apathetic person. 


Maybe I view camming in a different light as far as some ridiculous place to enter and live some sort of fantasy. If this is a business, then treat it as such without the lies and manipulations. Get on, pay for the service, fap, and get the fuck out.  The cam world and the real world would be a better place, without the shit both sides bring to the table, wouldn't it? So I tell these women stop your fucking bitching, because they ain't no angels, either. Do your job without the head games and stop saying you have to do it because it is what it is. You are just as guilty, then.


Just for your info, there are plenty of gals out there who don't fuck with peoples heads for the sake of money, as well as in the real world. I dare those who manipulate and lie, to try and earn a buck without being manipulative bitches who don't give a rats ass for their paying clientele. 


Your final presumption says so much regarding what people do in real life and is brought in from real life, as part of the fantasy world that they use while  camming. I presume most of these women's clientele just enjoy being manipulated and  to be used for the sake of some ridiculous farfetched fantasy they need to get away from their own insecurities of their own real lives. If they even looked at themselves in the mirror they would not like what they see. Or they likely would see something entirely different than what reality displays.Cowards.....


Finally, these women who wrote that crap I posted, could not even fathom that it is possible to have a real friendship  non manipulative relationship with a man they met on a camsite or in reality, perhaps,based upon their own biases and judgemental views towards people generally. All they think is how can I suck a dollar out of this guy? 


I do not embrace the world you describe. I merely state what I observed. Is it such bad advise to say to the cam-clientele: be careful?
Yes, you can rightly despise the people that are knowingly manipulating others to make a buck, but I don't see much options in changing them. Rather, I see much more to gain in educating the men who try to find what can't be found. It's a variaton of caveat emptor. 

Moreover, whenever there's money, sex and some type of emotion involved, all alarmbells should ring. Especially when it's online. I have always treated 'the internet' with much caution. The internet has done much good, even for human relations. But it has also done much bad, especially for social relations. Some of the good things can be bad things in a different setting. Like you and I are discussing now (apologies for the late reply) based on pure arguments. No showmanship can muddy the waters, which is good for any discussion. But in a different setting, you need the 'showmanship', like when you meet somebody of the opposite sex. You need to see their eyes, how they move, what they sound like, there smell, and such. All of this is severely curbed by the internet, especially on camsites that simply mess with one's mind.

Who can you trust? Online, in my opinion, you can never know for sure. In real life there aren't guarantees either, but at least you are backed by some heuristics all humans use. So this is why I say: be careful. Don't drift into this camworld thinking you will find anything other than naked women. Expect certain people will lie, you don't have to call them out on it, but act accordingly.

I think you are right about the women you described. They are in this to make money, and nothing else.

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Apr 13 15 11:30 PM

Buyer beware and tough luck. This is the webcam world and when you are flirting with a woman enough you begin to perceive a relationship. Once, a waitress brought me some french fries. That's no biggie, I ordered them. But she called me "dear" and "hun", two separate terms of endearment. Therefore I know she was trying to get me to give her my phone number. But I knew better because I know these waitresses, they all do that. See my sarcasm? Wait, now I remember, it was a waiter and he called me "sir" and then "fella". Old age effects one's memory.

Two things, is it right to string someone along? Is it right for someone to advise another to string someone along? In the world of camming these situations occur and they look to their peers for anything that will make them feel better about what they know is wrong (stringing someone along). That is how the girl had a crisis of conscience.

In that she struggled with that crisis, good for her. How she resolved it, that's her business. The people who told her to do it with no worries, that's their business. The guy who is being strung along, that's his business. If he wants to join the Women Haters Club after he figures it all out, send him a membership application.

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Apr 14 15 2:38 PM

Pussy Power, the Man-Cave and Neo-Liberalism

Thanks to Trainer and everyone who's weighed in on this eternal debate. What's strikes me after having read oh so many posts about "the power of pussy" and female empowerment through sex work over  "sexually impulsive, emotionally needy male clients who have poor money management skills..." is that cam-girl posts sound like the mirror image of the kinds of misogynist complaints about greedy women parasites that one can hear in "ManCave" of the Men's Rights Movement or read in the works of former male feminists - such as Warren Farrell - who have gone over to the dark side. Both discourses stand as "abstract negations" of another - but reflect the ideological hegemony of a Neo-Liberal version of Capitalism that turns all social relationships into commercial transactions - often zero hour micro service contracts between providers and clients in a "gig economy." In this sense, cam girls were the "early adopter" pioneers of the new labour market.


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Apr 15 15 2:55 AM

Your caption you posted makes me laugh.


Perhaps it can be modified to It's a world full of pussies, but money rules the universe.

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We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
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Apr 15 15 12:56 PM

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Buyer beware and tough luck. This is the webcam world and when you are flirting with a woman enough you begin to perceive a relationship. Once, a waitress brought me some french fries. That's no biggie, I ordered them. But she called me "dear" and "hun", two separate terms of endearment. Therefore I know she was trying to get me to give her my phone number. But I knew better because I know these waitresses, they all do that. See my sarcasm? Wait, now I remember, it was a waiter and he called me "sir" and then "fella". Old age effects one's memory.

Two things, is it right to string someone along? Is it right for someone to advise another to string someone along? In the world of camming these situations occur and they look to their peers for anything that will make them feel better about what they know is wrong (stringing someone along). That is how the girl had a crisis of conscience.

In that she struggled with that crisis, good for her. How she resolved it, that's her business. The people who told her to do it with no worries, that's their business. The guy who is being strung along, that's his business. If he wants to join the Women Haters Club after he figures it all out, send him a membership application.

Is it right to string someone along? In my opinion no. Nor is it right to advise someone to do this.
But this is the power of greed, lust and whatever other human weakness. 

I don't think ALL camgirls are trying to mess with men's minds, lying about feelings they don't have and stringing men alone to make a buck. (At least not any more than normal women would.) In my experience there are enough that are honest about what they do and what they don't do (one camgirl said to me, litteraly: "I never give false hope, and yes this is my job and from that I live"). What I do think, however, is that the whole camming-business preemptively destroys any outlook for a normal relationship. This is why I said don't expect to find anything else but naked women. There's an obvious distinction between camgirl-sites and dating-sites.

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Apr 15 15 11:10 PM

I wrote about this so long ago and yet things have not changed at all. When it comes down to it in its simplest form, it is all about money,  how to get it, or get more of it. At what costs? Buyer beware is a easy way of saying to individuals, what the f were you thinking? 

You can, and I have made friends with cam models, who I never ever have asked for anything but friendship via a two way street. Depends upon what an individuals concept and definition of friendship and love means to them and others. The worst thing is that these sites use the words friendship and love and add an asterisk to it that means you can buy anything, including friendship and love for a price. Long ago, I said never should either have a monetary amount attached to them yet that is all it seems to be about. Otherwise you are useless to most of these women, and are not in the least important as a human being or a person. You can be played, for all the money you have or you can take a different road and not be as important, in their eyes. You may find that paying a price for priceless things, is what you find more appealing. It simply is up to the individual what they think fits their ideologies and thoughts of social sexual interactions.

I must repeat what I observed and experienced long ago about the interactions on these sites, once again. Some women will seek a closer more intimate connection, for whatever purpose, genuine or not genuinely. Some avoid it like the plague, because they know most of the men that appear on these sites would do anything to actually get the real thing. And guess what, some models even let it happen. For money and not for money.

The thing is cam sites are more exciting than a regular dating site. It is interesting that a woman would shed her clothes for you electronically, fuck herself silly, and then expect the male of the species to simply be a robot, unemotional,like these very women have trained themselves to perform and act.

Very hard not to allow emotions to become intertwined into something more lustful, more intimate and more personal. I truly think this is the only way many a model can make bank. By stringing men along in the hopes of something more, more meaningful more realistic. Even if they don't realize it, or perhaps they do realize it and and I have read on other forums, they laugh or cry all the way to the bank.

The term, buyer beware mostly pertains to non human services or products. When it comes down to it, you can not get emotionally involved with a tv or some inanimate object you purchased, whereas, in this business anything goes just about.

I also will point out that the customers who these women deal with are mostly not completely normal either. There are very few innocents involved in this world. A model told me that Leo told her when she began working on MFC, that MFC is evil,and you should not become a model. Wow, simply wow, if that is the truth. Thats speaks volumes as just a small example of this business, doesn't it.

I can go on and on and on. But what's the sense? From the pirates to the scammers to the innocents, it's all about the money, so pay me bb for my time. But don't you dare judge me. I ain't your average wanker or custie lol.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Apr 16 15 4:30 PM

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Very hard not to allow emotions to become intertwined into something more lustful, more intimate and more personal. I truly think this is the only way many a model can make bank. By stringing men along in the hopes of something more, more meaningful more realistic. Even if they don't realize it, or perhaps they do realize it and and I have read on other forums, they laugh or cry all the way to the bank.

 

Yeah, this is true. It's very hard.

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May 25 15 4:37 AM

I was told to stop replying to you here, but the interesting thing is that you have created 7, count them 7 usernames here so far. All for what so you can have some sort of maniacal revenge on people you have such hatred for  on the internet?  For what purpose? What will you accomplish in the end? To prove you are all knowing and have some hell bent purpose to destroy people you apparently do not like? 


I will give you one last rationale chance to act like a normal human being and stop accusing people of acting and manipulating people just because  you think they may be, whom you think they are?

In so far as to whatever you think UL or NoName may be,anywhere on the internet, I personally, do not give a shit.

As for me, you don't know shit. I am not who you claim me to be,  and your incessant incorrect misguided inane assumptions as to who I am are totally incorrect, unfounded, ludicrous, and I might add insane. You can't prove I am who you think I am, because simply I am not who you concluded I may be. You are climbing up the wrong tree, similar to a rabid dog chasing their own tail because they have nothing better to do with their time.

You just want to scam this forum and make it your own vile creepy cesspool of a dungeon in which your mind obviously, resides in. 

I will not post to you any further and I think NoName should expose you for whom you are, if they are correct.

God rest your poor deluded soul and I hope someone puts you out of your own deluded misery. 

Now please go fuck yourself, with all due respect.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jun 11 15 10:28 PM

you're a wanker, a psychopath... and first of all a criminal

i fuck you piece of shit
you came to me the first, on your own initiative

it was a mistake mr "it's personal now"

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Jun 12 15 1:39 AM

it isn't personal

How could it be personal, I never ever met you, you ridiculous man.


You want to make it personal, I dare you to find me.

You will never know what hit you. Although you would not even be allowed to enter into the country I live in.

There is nothing personal between you and me. 

Keep trying, though, eventually your head may explode or you will have a myocardial infarction or a stroke.

How old are you mentally? 16? 22? If you are older than I wonder how you managed to make it to the third decade of life. There did I make it personal yet, you clueless moron, troll, that Romania can offer to this poor world.

All you do is dredge up incorrect statements that you think you may have glued together incorrectly in that feeble mind of yours and then you can't handle the heat. Stay out of the kitchen you will get scarred for life. Oh sorry too late. My bad.

Yeah I am egging him on. Clueless Internet moron that he is.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jun 12 15 8:07 AM

UncleLewis wrote:
You can't find the addresses of the studios easily. What you can find are the names and addresses of their "Custodians of Record" the authorized agents who verify by looking at the 2247 form posted by the larger web-sites like Flirt4Free or Vivid Videos.
UL

http://camgirlnotes.fr.yuku.com/reply/24888/Webcam-Studio-Locations-Europe-WorldWide-Updated-2013#reply-24888

You're right UL...
I must had you can't even find the sites adress easily coz their legal notices are cheating poeple about ghost companies running the business...

A new time : this it's both it's strongness and weakness.
Coz no honest business makes so much efforts to stay kept safe from public eyes, theses practices are as well the evidences it's primary intentions are fraudulous as all of scams named and shamed here and there.

The challenge is then to find scammers, to locate them... i would say to "touch" them.
An ambitious challenge, which requires authorities, governemental  or non governemental organisations, laywers, journalists (...) help.

And ofc an analogous forum like CGN to structurate and coordinate actions at the begining of the process.

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Jun 12 15 1:35 PM

Ah ha...I will let this comment stand for now, since it actually contributes to the discussion.

But you should cool it with the mindless attacks on other members. There are no web-pimps here.
UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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