#41 [url]

Mar 25 10 4:01 PM

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I don't feel that I'm forced in any kind of way. Even when the guys are demanding, there is always a way to deal with a horny man, play with his mind and spend even more minutes in pvt that if I did all the freaky things possible. And my price isn't low at all. They keep coming to me for a sensual strip and play, or for my personality, although they had something else in mind.


They come to only u ? they go to other girls rooms too..... I know because many girls tell me......... how do the girls know?.. well Forums, and visiting other rooms.))

Yeah , they keep coming to you because they relinquish control.... I'm sure u have done the slave thing, and humilate a guy because he asks for it.


I went to My Free Cams .......only one time).......in cam enviornment you can't force anyone to do anything.... members or models that's a fact!!


But still money is power.
If I'm in ur pvt chat .........say for 1 hr, and I ask u to stand on ur head and sing ur National Anthem, with ur panties on ur head, would u do it?...... Or to gget u to stand on ur head,would take 10hrs of prvt in order to get u to perform my request?........... Are u playing with members' head as u say?. or are u making a choice between money and his request......... Mind u I think I would stand on my head after 5 hrs of Pvt and sing my song.........

I like ur standards Camgirl.))) U will not to do anything just for money........ and u have standards))


Then there were the girls on MyfreeCams who did HARDECORE shows in free chat because I gave them tips .............and I never asked them for anything... Lucky 4 her, she did not ask ))

Anway, was nice to see some down to earth honest people like DONKEYKONG [talking here], who has manny issues to deal with in sexuality, porn, and life

I raise my glass to him* (I don't have a hat to tip), and wish him all the best in discovering that a woman is more than a wet spot between her legs

Just remember DonkyKong, the porn women that u see are not reality.....99.9 % of women love sexual stimulation. And to have a healthy sex life is all about communication.. Real sex is expressing ur emotioms, Never feel shame....... i would recommend seeing a relationship counselor............. Hey)) you never know what postive things outcomes may reach frutition

Donkey))).... Good Luck

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#42 [url]

Mar 25 10 6:00 PM

Hey DonkeyKong, and anyone else who's listening...

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...all sex in general is really about power, dominance and submission (this is also a theory by radical feminists). When an average guy has sex with an average woman the guy gets sexually aroused by the fact that he has power over a woman, while the woman enjoys to be dominated and treated like a sex doll.


I ain't ever gonna agree with that one. It's what's feeding the porn industry, and the cam industry too. It's a slanted, warped view of what sex really is. I'm not saying people can't enjoy themselves, but sex is sooooo much more than this narrow little view taken up by thousands of unhappy people.

Facile, you're again on the same page as I am when you talk about a healthy sex life requiring communication and expression of genuine emotion. Love belongs in there too. There's nothing wrong with (and quite a bit right with) hot, steaming, passionate, primal, anything goes fucking. It's healthy in the context of mutual respect and caring for your partner. Truly satisfying and amazing, "tip the world off it's axis" sex is not one sided where one person takes control over another. It's mutually shared as equals. I'm not saying that men (and women) don't gain some satisfaction from dominating or controlling their partner. I'm saying that for it to be healthy, it's got to be what both partners want. Healthy sex is 10% physical and 90% mental. It's the mental part the world is fucked up on, and the porn industry that's promoting the warped image as what we need. Problem is, that kind of sex is empty.

Another problem is that it's been going on for ages and a lot of people, not just you DonkeyKong, have been misinformed and go on to relay that misinformation to the next generation. You take away mutual respect and Love, and you can still blow off so hard you see stars, but how do you feel afterwards? If you were the one being controlled you feel empty. If you were the one controlling, you may feel powerful and satisfied with exerting that control, but you know what? You're still alone, even if you're with someone. In the "real world", for those that do it, it's pathetic and sad. For those controlled, it's just sad. Unfortunately, in the cam world, the majority of the guys who visit sites are weak. Mentally or emotionally and have issues that led them there seeking answers or comfort or release or Love. It's fucked up. It's the way it is though. For the performers working the industry, it's your gig and your job and I don't fault you for it. It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm generally the one doing the eating, but we're not on a cam site now are we. This place is somewhat neutral ground for those that find their way here.

As much as this forum flies off in different directions, with some threads becoming a serious mindfuck, it's still a place just outside the industry where there is at least some open and honest communication and discussion of what goes on.

~ ~ AFFINITY ~ ~

#43 [url]

Mar 25 10 6:14 PM

Thanks for that, coolbreeze.

I humbly agree with all that you wrote here.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

#45 [url]

Mar 25 10 7:29 PM

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they come to only u ? they go to other girls rooms 2..


I don't care what they do before or after they come to me. I live in the present.

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then if im ur ur pvt chat .........say f for 1 hr, and i ask u to stand on ur head and sing ur Nationla Anthem, with pantys on ur head u would do it?


If you'd read my post more careful, I already said that I only do what I feel comfortable doing, from all the member's requests. So no.

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u not to do anything just for money........ and have standards))


What's wrong with enjoying what I do for money?

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then the girl in MyfreeCams did HARDECORE Show in free chat cause i gave Tips


that was her choice, even if the hardcore show in free is not 100% allowed, but still the girls do it. It's one of the reasons I dont work there and I'll never will. I think all the shows must happen in private area, with one or 2 members, not in public and free for those who never tipped.

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

#47 [url]

Mar 25 10 7:48 PM

Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by "Top Dog"?

EDIT ~ Ah, I get you now Facile. No, I'm not a top dog in the sense you mean.

~ ~ AFFINITY ~ ~

#48 [url]

Mar 25 10 8:16 PM

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If you'd read my post more careful, I already said that I only do what I feel comfortable doing, from all the member's requests. So no.




I read it camgirl)... what I was getting at was that after a period of time, most Cam hosst would do any request for a price.... it's inherent in the industry)))

Every one has a price................If someone wanted to see me get fucked up the ass by a drawf, with a black 12inch cock with panties stuffed in mouth ... yeah, I would do it for 1 millon $$........ actually more $$........ I have standards also)... not to do damage to my body.. coz I respect it...... but if some Pervert wanted to pay.(not 2.99) to see me do somethin fucking strange..................


So the models do what's comfortable.. for the price they offer..................

So if u arer limited in what ur prepared to do on the cam site.... that'' ur perogative bb.

Maybe u are not a woman who has a price... but I'm saying there are many who will do it all.. and many host that will go beyond their own standards for the $$

U wouldn't stand on ur head and sing a song for $500?????


camgirl the male members don't like to talk about how much $$ they spend on cam girls....... I spent a quite bit..))... Then I hear about MFC..... and went there to play the game in free chat.......

Every host has a price)).....

I choose not to manipulate.......... What's ur price to stand on your head and sing your national anthem???

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#49 [url]

Mar 25 10 8:50 PM

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It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm generally the one doing the eating, but we're not on a cam site now are we.



Breeze, , U are not a member. U are not a model. U have a emotional intelligence , and see the perspective from both side of screen...


Woff))))))

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#50 [url]

Mar 25 10 8:52 PM

There are differences in the types of control. One type is the attempt to control others in whatever method a person deems fit,that will have an effect on another person or individuals, and then there is the control of one's self.

Some use all types of methods and ways to use their power to have control over others. Or control over themselves.

Some might view it as manipulation.

Some people have strong self control.

Some do not.

Self control is having the ability and intelligence to know what your boundaries are,and how far you want to cross that boundary you have chosen, irregardless of what situation each individual may be in at any moment(sexually, mentally, or physically and so on).

To understand what an individual desires or needs is part of how much they use their control over others or to lose their own self control in others, especially if it pertains to visiting these sites and taking the private plunge as well.

I have been in circumstances where I was asked to go private and I had the self control to say "no". And other times I did what I chose and went private. No one forced me to make that decision.

When I look back at things, I recall a cam model asking me over and over to go private. I had in the past, and then when I took control of myself and decided to stop all of this, she said something interesting to me. She said I have character. Hmm... I think she meant self control.

My thoughts here, are based on when others use their power and control to make others lose their own self control perhaps. Or sometimes fool another into a situation that may not be what it is, in the real sense of reality. But then once again, this work is based on fantasy. It is up to a person to decide if they wish to let go of their own self control of reality and enter into a land of no control for a period of time(fantasy).
The problems occur when that fantasy collides with the reality of it all.

Everyone has control over their own path and destiny in many respects. Otherwise some would be enslaved to others, and lose their freedom of choice.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

#51 [url]

Mar 25 10 9:45 PM

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It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm generally the one doing the eating, but we're not on a cam site now are we.



Breeze, , U are not a member. U are not a model. U have a emotional intelligence , and see the perspective from both side of screen...


Woff))))))


I ain't the Po Po either. Just been around the block. Done some things with my talents I'm not really proud of, and some that I am. Guess I just see things for what they are, and try not to judge. I'd rather build up. ...at least today. I ain't no saint though.

~ ~ AFFINITY ~ ~

#52 [url]

Mar 26 10 4:00 PM

QUOTE (UncleLewis @ March 24, 2010 06:12 pm)
cool.gif  Donkey Kong, I have two books for you by the American Sexologist.....

Here you go, sexology.

According to Thomas Szasz the science of sexology is simply a branch of the sex industry which gives the imprimatur of science to the practices of the industry. And according to Stephen Marcus sexology incorporates the values and methods of pornography.

So, sexology is just another propaganda channel to subjugate women so men can gain power of them.

pornography/prostitution/sexology => oppression => sex

I read that all in the book 'The idea of prostitution' by Sheila Jeffreys. A really wonderful book, I read it as if it is the bible.

While I do think of it. There are some books/reports which are positive about the sex industry. Do you know this one:
http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/research-units/...ant-workers.cfm
Migrant Workers in the UK Sex Industry Policy-Relevant Findings (Nick Mai)

And recently there has been an opinion poll among prostitutes in the Red Light District of Amsterdam (by students of the UvA ordered by Amsterdam Sociaal):
http://www.amsterdam-sociaal.nl/Downloads/...utieMonitor.pdf
De Amsterdamse Prostitutie Monitor

What it boils down to in these two reports: prostitutes work voluntarily and are satisfied about their clients, they can leave prostitution at any time. Prostitution is a nice job, meeting very interesting people etc... etc.....

It is difficult what to believe nowadays.

Perhaps I'm prudish, perhaps Ass-to-Mouth is really cool!!

Nothing to feel embarrassed about.

#53 [url]

Mar 29 10 12:09 AM

yes Donkey ATM is cool. It's the new in thing that 15 year old to 24 year old girls do.. they love it... it's cool. the girls love it and think its cool.........

u should really joined a sports team , baseball, football, Grid Iron, Australian Rules football.... its a great team sport that the boys demand ..

Yes ATM , is chic......

Btw the Hookers, Pros, lady's of the night don't do ATM... coz for them its not cool...... ... well depends on what class of hooker u are talking about?

I didn't read the books or even go look at the links u post Donkey... well I'm Lazy ))... and lived in a house full Whores for many years, and read a few books to starve off my boredom ..

now I'm hearing all the repetitive experiences u men have had.....I cams experience, in life, what u read etc..... well........ u are all fucking curious aren't ya?... wouldn't it be lovely , Henry Higgins and donkey Kong to have a BBQ or Pig on a Spit and chew the fat with my fair Jenna Jameson? or some other sex worker , or a cam girl?... they are fantasizing creatures are they not?.. decadent , salubrious, sexual? sensual?? Well not sensual... its work, a job, .. ATM is just a by product of Gonzo porn, who for the Whores is just another request that some dumb guy say on a movie....and if he has the balls and the permission to fucker the whore up the ass( extra $$) and the pay (extra) $$$$... for ATM.... and he is still capable.... well yes maybe some Whore will take his money ......... my point is , ur all fantasied by the sex workers and u are trying to come to grips about their work..... you've been exposed to a little of their world from interacting with them , u see them as more than a pussy(Donkey Exclude)), and u want understanding.... like this topic..... what happens to the Tips?

what happens in the studio? what happens on the street? what about the fucking harlots from Antarctica who lie and deceive the good paying gentleman, isn't it awful that pimps sell cocaine to the polar bears and get them hooked on a money tree.......... and what about us ? the members, what about the us models, what next topic can we introduce to the forum, already done ATM, Ill just sit back and wait for the next Chic thing to do in the Gonzo world.......in the mean time, life go's on , we desire, we covert, we eat , we work , we do what we do, the models work , we all have a job to do .. and the wankers, have their fantasy to experience and feel better about themselves......Hmmm yes BB ATM, but can u not fake it bb... oh and next week i would like to see u fuck a midget with panties on head singing national anthem, while u push ur fat sister in the pool.... Ty bb, next week i will dream up some other impossible fantasy , U can Bank on it... gotta go, i have Work to do))))

[ You use a pretty literate English here, Facile..Why do you insist in writing it in code to disguise your university education.. and make a lot of needless, extra work for your old copy editor, eh ??]

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#54 [url]

Mar 29 10 4:23 PM

Ass to mouth, surely not a thing that many people do in real life.

However, what happens in porn films often slowly finds its way into the bedrooms of many households. In the beginning, giving a blowjob was really exclusive. Few people did it. In porn films it was a standard practice to humiliate a woman that way. Now after decades everybody is doing it.

Same with anal sex. The porn industry started with it, it was rare in real life, now many people in daily life experiment with it, not every day, but more like every month. Perhaps in about 20 years it will be as normal as giving a blowjob.

Ass to mouth, well perhaps in about 20 years it will be as normal for many couples to experiment with it like many do with anal sex today. And perhaps in 50 years everybody is doing it.

In prostitution the women generally want to have safe sex, although unprotected oral sex is often tolerated. So Ass to mouth is a nono.

However, I have seen camgirls switching the same dildo between ass, pussy, mouth, ass, pussy, ass, pussy, mouth...... Strange is that some of them don't seem to worry. Perhaps they are unaware of the risks. I pointed it out to one of the girls but she really didn't seem to worry.

(Yes, I'm a bad man. )

#55 [url]

Jun 14 10 2:35 AM

The health risks of performing shows with these kinds of "extreme content" are all too real.

The "Honorable Members" of the Lounge should try to understand what it is they really are asking a model to do for them.. and quite possibly to herself.
In the words of one of our model members: "What's so sexy about E-Coli?"

Read the last post in this thread:
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1247

UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

#56 [url]

May 2 11 8:59 PM

I have an update on me.

I have built up some good relationships with camgirls and really became friends with them. I even sent one money. And I helped her with calling men in the lounge. Some men called me a pimp.

But all the time the good relationship became very mean. I have been banned by camgirls dozens of times. The last girl even complained that I only came to chat and that I never tipped (I only had 4 privates). That hit me very hard.

For the time being, I am done with camgirl-sites. It gives me a bad feeling.

(by the way, a camgirl heard rumours that some camgirls are being extorted. They are threatened that their pictures are released. But I don't know if it's true.)

#57 [url]

May 3 11 12:40 AM

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I have built up some good relationships with camgirls and really became friends with them. I even sent one money.


if that means friendship for you, your life must be very sad and your ideas totally wrong...

It's a commercial relationship, you pay for the services. When u dont pay, u shouldnt bother them at work. Why do guys find that so hard to understand ?

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

#58 [url]

May 3 11 6:34 AM

QUOTE (camgirl @ May 02, 2011 05:40 pm)
if that means friendship for you, your life must be very sad and your ideas totally wrong...

Many camgirls are probably only interested in money and will say unnecessarily rude things like these comments to people if they aren't being paid to be nice. But they all shouldn't be stereotyped that way just because the "camgirl" here is like that.

Its like saying you can't be friends with your mailman or accountant or anyone in any line of work, just because you meet them while they are working. Adult industry does attract more greedy people than many other career paths but nice people who are willing to be friends with anyone can work in the industry too.

If we weren't all crazy, we'd just go insane. -Jimmy Buffett
Sometimes the person who is the most logical is the person whom we call insane. -Kevin Spacey
I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity. -Edgar Allan Poe

#59 [url]

May 3 11 9:05 AM

QUOTE (screwball @ May 02, 2011 11:34 pm)
QUOTE (camgirl @ May 02, 2011 05:40 pm)
if that means friendship for you, your life must be very sad and your ideas totally wrong...

Many camgirls are probably only interested in money and will say unnecessarily rude things like these comments to people if they aren't being paid to be nice. But they all shouldn't be stereotyped that way just because the "camgirl" here is like that.

+1 to your comment. As James D. Miles said You can easily judge the character of a man(person) by how he(they) treats those who can do nothing for him(them).

There's never a good reason to be rude to a person unless they are being rude to you. Even then, a better person will ignore the offense and still treat a person as they would like to be treated.

And to offer DKII some constructive criticism, never go into a camgirl's chat room with the intention to become friends with her; it won't happen. Friendships happen on their own without the need for financial reciprocation. If you're in the chatroom, don't try engaging her in a full blown conversation and taking her away from her work. It would be as if a person came to your place of employment and started having a long conversation with you. You would never get any work done. It's bad business for the camgirl because it will make her appear unavailable to other customers. It's one thing to offer a comment every now and then, it's another to get her involved in a complex conversation. Just don't do it and you'll be ok.

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#60 [url]

May 3 11 8:41 PM

Actually, what happened a couple of times is that camgirls seemed to enjoy my company without payment. One camgirl begged several times that I should stay and dont leave the room. I didn't tip much then. Later she said she didn't have time for me anymore and then started to say negative things, and then the atmosphere turned worse and worse. I chose to leave her alone.

Another camgirls EXPLICITLY said to me that she didnt take her clothes off and accepted that I only came to talk. Only thing was I joked that I wanted to know the other girls who worked at her studio. I kept on begging so at the end she said that I shouldnt come back. I actually did come back several times, so that simply meant the BAN-button. That was really a cool girl.

I seems that in some cases camgirls just want some company without payment. It really happens. But sometimes you become sick of a person if your see him to long. I'm probably the kind of person who can make good friends but can also turn good friends into enemies. I have to LEARN the good ways.

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