#21 [url]

May 3 09 12:55 PM

Excuse me Lesia, I am trying to understand your point.

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Now I'm going to school 3 days a week, doing nothing most of the time, just having fun. And living the same life smile.gif

I could work 4 days a week, go to school 3 days a week... But what's the point?


Are you suggesting that attending school, even though, it might not ultimately lead you to have a better chance at a good job or future, is a waste of time? Or doesn't amount to anything that would give you the opportunity to get that "better" job later on?

As some have mentioned, models have their degrees and there is still nothing that compliments or made attending school worthwhile.....

So isn't that a failure of a countries ability and importance right and purpose to it's citizens? If it is a failure, why do you all as citizens let it continue? That is the definition of a failed state. And is prone to failure for generation to generation. Having the opportunity to get an education, attaining a degree, and then that precious knowledge being useless, is a sham then.

People using it as a means and way to just look good(have colleges and universities) for its citizens, provides a means to help people live a better life. But if it amounts to nothing in the end, why is it there?

What I am getting at is, if something is useless, or not serving its purpose get rid of it. Is that not the proper thing to do? Seems more of a false reality again. The future of each generation depends on a society to make changes and advances with knowledge, adaptation and a meaningful purpose.

It just seems that people just want things the fast and easier way. That is what got us all in the financial crisis that rears its ugly head these days.

Don't you think your fooling yourselves with the way you approach life and lifestyles? It may be about the "me, me, me" now, but in the end, once again, it hurts the me's, the you's, and an entire group of people.

What is the point then....... we were all young and carefree at one time. There will come a time in a future that your options are no longer a good choice.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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May 3 09 6:56 PM

QUOTE (TRAINER @ May 03, 2009 12:55 pm)
.... There will come a time in a future that your options are no longer a good choice. ...

To elaborate on this. Women that continue in this profession after graduating are
going to have a hard time with what we call a CV - curriculum vitalie, I think.
Basically, if you want a good job, you need to be able to show what you have
been doing, where you have been working, etc. While these studios say you get
a "work card" and the job is legitimate, in the US, I would never hire someone
who can't explain what they have been up for the last so many years.

You can get away with no CV while in school. Let's say you graduate as a
nurse. When I go to hire you, I do not really care if you worked as a waitress
or whatever. I doubt I would ask. But, what about if you need to be
professionally certified as a nurse would? Do you not think your classmates
know what you do? Surely, they will find out. And I suspect you will find
it harder to get that certification. In short, your history will follow you.

In the US at least, just putting a moderately bad pic of yourself on MySpace or
Facebook can cost you your teaching career. Is it different elsewhere?

I feel for my friend who described damn near starving while working a "normal"
job after going to school for five years, many of them on scholarship, which
would indicate she is a good student as well. I do not have an easy answer
as to what she *should* do. But, I fear that has some sort of professional
engineer, she will have a hard time finding employment after working
in cams for the last so any years.

I guess the only thing I have to offer is: while an attractive option right
now, I suspect you will regret this decision later on. And one thing to
remember: unless you are going to move into the business end of this trade, your
"career" is relatively short.

Actually, I do have an idea for what many women should do. Many are actually
hard working, intelligent, and have a good work ethic. Go into business for
yourself doing something. Your history will still follow you, but your ability as
a business person will probably overshadow your past. If you are successful and
can make money for your partners, you will be OK. You'll have to listen to some
snarky comments, but no worse than being on cam.

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May 3 09 9:04 PM

The CV as you call it, is what a resume is called in other countries.

It lists your experience, work history, degrees, and real life experiences for those that do not know.


And it was mentioned in these posts somewhere too.

But no sarcasm intended, just another "option" available.

Find a husband, perhaps.

I know what your trying to convey rs3.

The bigger picture.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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May 3 09 9:50 PM

I chose the CV portion of the resume for a specific reason. You can still list your
education and relevant work experience, why you would be good for a job, etc.
But, the CV, what you have been doing, is an important part of the resume, and the
supposed legitimacy of working in a studio is only going to help if your next job
is in some way related to working in a cam studio.

Maybe European employers aren't as picky as US employers with their HR departments
who are just looking for reasons to toss your resume.

Ah, yes, find a husband. Always an option, I suppose. :-)

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May 4 09 3:40 AM

Trainer, if school was pointless I wouldn't go to it
What for me is pointless is working 7 days a week when I can work 4 or 5

I won't have a gap in my CV because camming for me is just something to make enough money, I log on sometimes, not every day full time.

I'm smart, when my body will start showing sings of age, it won't affect me financially I'm full of confidence about my life and myself. The sky is the limit

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May 4 09 4:20 AM

Well, I've said enough on this. Lesia, I hope it works out for you. And you are
right, school is never a waste of time. Even if it does not help you get a high
paying job, going through life uneducated is no way to live. Become educated,
and find something you love to do. Then find a way to live on whatever it pays.

We smirked a bit about "finding a husband", but there is nothing wrong with
getting married, having children and staying home to take care of them. Many
people in the US find that after three kids, paying for child care eats up a
large portion of a salary, so having one stay at home parent works out financially
for many US couples if they choose to have that many kids. But, it would
be better to be educated before you do that.

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May 4 09 10:58 AM

Of course an education is important.

But have you looked around and found a woman that has accomplished that goal and it has not helped in the way it should have for that person? Time and effort in accomplishing something worthy, should not go unrewarded.

The sky is the limit...... youth is a reward that should not be taken lightly, don't waste time.... you can never replace it.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Dec 14 09 5:25 AM

The unfortunate thing is for many of these girls they don't have the opportunities to get the jobs they need.
One of my friends who hates caming decided to go back part time because she can't afford the rent and food to live off her job. She has lost her job 6 or 7 times and she makes as much in 3 or 4 shifts as she does in her ful time job. She does not do it for drugs or sex or a high life but to pay for the apartment. If she goes out with friends to relax who can blame her.
This is not a line from her begging for cash I dont send her any,

What needs to be done is exactly what needs to be done everywhere. Find jobs where students can pay room and board. Ultimately to stop the pirates you have to stop the cams. For years everyone has bashed one paysite for not protecting their models. Now they do and the pay has gone down. The models flocking to the site means the bucks spread out.
Where does the balance comes from I dont know/ The studios are in it for a buck no doubt. The more protection you give the models and bonuses you give the patrons the less they make.

The only thing I can see is to sponsor a girl through school with the idea she will help another girl through school, Will it happen I dont know. Even the ones who seem to make it are still dependent on it when times get rough.

I dont know the answer. Ive looked for work for one girl in the States and Canada of course I am dreaming.

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Dec 14 09 12:42 PM

Thanks grthngs.. and welcome back.

Btw, grthngs, take a look at our revised figures on payscales for Eastern Europe:
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.p...t=0&#entry10145

And ask yourself the question: "If I was a 19 year old Romanian Cam model who was earning as much as a senior Bank Manager, why would I be looking for an alternative?"

We have been working with an model of "economic exploitation" that just does not fit the experience of many of the models we know...
UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Dec 15 09 4:41 PM

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We must remember what we are told over and over again: "I am not stupid. I know what I am doing. I choose to do this work.. and now I don't wanna talk about this shit anymore."

So most of the studio models seem to feel that while "they have no choice" - especially if they want to stay in school - they also don't want to be seen as "victims who are in need of rescue." Especially rescued by a bunch of "pervs." One model told me last week: "You are wrong to think that we are toys for these pervs. That's only true if you allow it. If you are smart, then they become your toys instead."

Another Romanian model remarked : "Don't be so quick to judge Cam Models. You only know what they choose to show you. So why are you talking about something when you have no experience of it?"


Above everything else, "It's still a porn site." The fact that you're there as a member, 99.99999% of the time, places you in one of two broad categories in the eyes of performers who are working there as a means to an end. You're either a perv or your a "Pet". Unfortunately, an upgraded "Pet" status does not generally exclude you from continued inclusion in the perv category.

Start with this understanding.

As for alternatives, of course there are. There is always another way. However, the path of least resistance is always the first route that I personally investigate and the "whys" of choosing camming make sense to me. It's what it takes to actually do the job that I find difficult and I'm not talking about masturbating on command. I'm talking about the mind-set that because these fools are here, they deserve what they get and to protect myself I'm going to mind fuck them. It's a psychological defense mechanism and a level of control over what is often an unpleasant job. I'm quite sure that most performers don't put such a sharp edge on it, even in their own minds, but manipulation is a huge part of the job. I've done some things in my life that I'm not proud of. Some of those things required the same mind-set as I've described here and I'm good at it. I wasn't happy though. Not really. While I can't speak to "opportunities" in RO, or AU or whereever, there ARE alternatives and bullshit to anyone who says there are not. Those alternatives might not be attractive, but there is always another way. Here again, it all boils down to a personal choice. As long as you are happy with your choice, more power to you. I say this because I myself still have, to some extent, the same view. "It's still a porn site", and "A fool and his money are soon parted." If you're NOT happy however, use your head and find something else. Thousands of people do it.

Harsh, I know, but it needed to be said here.

Breeze

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Dec 15 09 5:33 PM

Thanks CoolBreeze... Your sentiments are shared by your Romanian colleagues - as in this exchange between models on the AdultVideoChat.ro forum last Spring...

QUOTE (andradavalent @ July 01, 2009 07:13 pm)

Nicky, May 15th, 2009
If you`re sick of it ...then give it up. Adult video-chat equals porn. Some want it fast, other ones accept it slower. Each member has his own way of asking and each model has her own style of offering. If for models video-chat means philosophy, for 99% of the members, it just means pornography.
{ Some like to beat around the bush when it comes to putting a definition and a title on this job ... but, ask the clients of the sites (members) and you will see that most have this opinion about this job: hardcore porn. not even SOFTCORE. If a model goes into pvt for 10 minute and finally is showing her breasts and genitals only for one minute: Its porn. The majority of customers come from sites where there are porn links, to attract them, including the famous livesex.com. So they pay a model for porn . Some want to talk about philosophies of life, and have chosen X model for "N" reasons ... These are the exceptions, not that the exceptions here arent right, and therefore these sites have the rule: if the customer wants a show, you must do the show. Otherwise you won`t earn any money.

Mimy, May 18th, 2009

This doesnt mean we all are porn stars. For me, yes video-chat means philosophy because my earnings are bigger if I adopt that style rather than doing hardcore shows of 3 to 5 minutes duration.


Nicky- May 15th, 2009
Ask your members and you will see that almost all of them think video-chat is only hardcore porn. Its not Softcore. In Softcore, you dont show your genitals. These days, they all want porn, not philosophy.

Here's the link to the rest of that exchange:
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1346

BTW.Testimony like yours; Andra's; Bailey's and MissJane's, help us cut through tens of thousands of pages of Web-cam site advertising and "boiler-plate" with a critical "buzz-saw."

And that's part of why we are here - to dissect and then undermine the propaganda of the porn industry. All their ad copy about "happy hookers" and clients who can imagine they are in a command position...and all the other hot sexy "daydreams" this industry sells online - along with the occasional emotional nightmare...

UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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