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Jun 26 09 8:58 AM

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I am concerned about the group shows on"myfreecams"and wondering what you models think"aprove or disaprove"

it first started some months ago,I think that it puts presure on the models to perform for every request,they are cheap customers that dont even tip just enjoy for 10 tokens a minute,why ten tokens a minute when spying cost 20 tokens a minute and you cant request the model while spying.....but u can in group,to me that makes no scence,plus

i have noticed that the dreaded pirates choose to record goup as its cheap for them to record and post,i hate that so much as it shows no respect for models

group shows should cost 50 tokens a minute,but...the models should be paid as much as she would get in pvt,"myfreecams"should take less as they save money less storage and bandwith

i have changed the thought of a few models on"MFC" by talking to them and making them realise that it does more harm than good,doing groups,yeah its good in the short term to get tokens but "do alot of groups" premiums just dont want to see the same things u do.
alot think that they should do as much as they would if they were in pvt.

oh well just my thoughts for you models to digest and really hope it helps you on your line of work

Peace
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Jun 26 09 11:14 AM

Well let me hardly disagree with you.

Recording is a big problem from models of course but work for nothing is worse.
Of course there is many girls at MFC that can afford to dont do groups but we are not speaking only about pretty girls with 100 romeos tipping just for a smile or kiss.

How long are that downloads available 12 hours? How many people discharge it?
No much i guess.

Pvt are expensive i just get custommer of MFC and only go grups or tips ......, we perverts like to go almost evey day to see naked girls and unfortunatelly not all customers are rich.

And yes there is privates posted too, even people post links to privats in lounge soo ....
and as read in other post most recordings from mfc came from free shows.





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Jun 26 09 12:53 PM

rigoleto007,you r new to mfc so i dont think that you really know the ins and outs

i am frends with alot of models on"MFC"on numerous ocasions with all models"not beutifull" or"to sexy"either
when a premium asks her,do you do groups? and she replies"no"that premium will take her pvt and that happens loads of times and its not a one off.

most free shows r not as hard as"group"and models that do groups have told me,they are cheap,i have seen numarous group show with one premium in there at 1 dollar a minute wich means 50cents a minute to the model,is that right?i dont think so,a model will get paid more and be respected more from premiums if she refuses group,she will get more pvts

a pvt"$6 a minute"plus spies"$2 a min" but they cant request anything
a group"50 cents"and they can request,i have seen the requests"no respect"requests.
it says when in group it is highly recomended to tip,Ha! dont make me laugh,no one tips showing there apreciation to the models performance
if they request somthing in group and the model says"tip if u want that"the premium says"what group plus tip no way"he leaves ready to get anouther group with a diferent model,who dosent o betterand does what he requests

i think i have made this so clear ffor you now,rigoleto007,if u disagree with that
you r one that has no respect for models,but...i did post this in the wrong place as it should be"model issues

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Jun 26 09 1:40 PM

Calm down man,

I respect models as much as any other person in the world we are just people, just becouse i dont fall in love with models or disagree with you can not tell me i dont respect someone.

I am new to MCF but unfortunatelly i have been menber of many other sites, soo yes i have experience.

Dont tell me how much model get coz anyone with a normal brain will like model get as much money as possible from what he paid.

Unlees you are a model yourself or you know her from real life, you are not friend with any model, it is not same sympathice with someone that real friendship with someone.

I know some girls from mfc from years as they worked in other sites like ds, camz etc, and have good relation with them, but we are not friends i dont call my friends girls and tell them please can you show me your tits by msn coz i am hot.....

Between i have been in groups with more than 20 people in thats much more than private.

What a girl does in group or not is up to her i am not a begger.

I am realistic man not a ashhole.







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Jun 26 09 2:11 PM

well as yu r here waiting for a reply

this was not for you to disagree it is for the models to to know

yes 20 people as u stated in a group,and i said it is ok for quik tokens but in the long run it ruins it for them,this is for the models.

yes i know the models so they are my friends,i new "mfc"before they had group sessions
so i know what am on about,end of disagreement between me and you.
this is entirley for the models of"MFC"not you,read the topic,the average group is three premiums so dont come acting the man saying this is good for models as i havew seen 20 premiums in group

i said its good for quik tokens but it ruins them in the long run,i have seen it happen not you.....thank you

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Jun 26 09 2:22 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I see both of your points respectively.

Dance - You're making the point that group shows on MFC are taken advantage of by the majority of members and that you're asked to perform "whatever" by multiple participants while making significantly less money than you would in pvt. You're also making the point that pretty much everyone who goes group does not tip even though it's highly encouraged. I agree with you on all points.

Rig - You're making the point that while some people simply don't have enough money to take a model pvt, and choose to "group" with them, that they have no less respect for that model. This may very well be true, but many of the members at MFC simply are not of your same mind.

I'm new here. But my understanding of the forum is that it was designed and is maintained for MODELS. Members too, but our primary focus is performers. I find that Dance's recommendations are just that... recommendations for other models working at MFC. If a model chooses to do no groups, she does not have to deal with multiple requests from multiple members while making less money. If she does not do groups, the chances of her performance being recorded and posted to a pirate site for download also goes down. If she does not do groups, it's possible that more premium members will take her pvt than would if she DID do group shows.

Thank you Dance, for your suggestions. I have friends who work at MFC and am really happy to have you here. Please keep the suggestions coming!

Breeze

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Jun 26 09 2:30 PM

Thank you for your reply,Cool,i am only on"MFC"to help models as i respect the work the have chosen to do.

only today there was a model"this is no lie"she is fairly new and was doing group after group,and i told her what i basicly said in the forum,some one asked for groupp she said "not for now"she had a long pvt within 2 mins,she thanked me


regards to models

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Jun 26 09 2:42 PM

As we all can understand group chats was implemented for something, that something is a commercial target, is like white trademarks at supermarket.

i mean all companys want get as much customers as possible, of course private shows are better but groups shows was implmented to get a comercial target of people that can not afford privates regulary but can get a grouod (cheaper show)

Sorry if my poor english dont let me express better.



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Jun 26 09 3:25 PM

But you can apply that for models too.

If i am going to work a shift of 8 hours i want to take most possible profict of it (lets think there is no cappers) soo i want privates, groups or anything that i want to do.









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Jun 26 09 3:54 PM

It was an open question for models, and a good one.

Group shows target a specific market. Fact.

Some members of MFC abuse group shows. Fact.

Some models do group shows and have no problem with it. Fact.

Some models do not do group shows. Fact.

It's a personal choice for each model. Fact.

There is no debate here.

Let's respect his/her choice and allow open communication such that those in the industry can work together towards a better working environment.

Perhaps this topic would be better suited for the restricted model area Unc?

Breeze

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Jun 26 09 3:58 PM

QUOTE (CoolBreeze @ June 26, 2009 03:54 pm)
It was an open question for models, and a good one.

Group shows target a specific market. Fact.

Some members of MFC abuse group shows. Fact.

Some models do group shows and have no problem with it. Fact.

Some models do not do group shows. Fact.

It's a personal choice for each model. Fact.

There is no debate here.

Let's respect his/her choice and allow open communication such that those in the industry can work together towards a better working environment.

Perhaps this topic would be better suited for the restricted model area Unc?

Breeze

100% Agree no rebate.

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Jun 26 09 4:09 PM

I'm not at MFC, but we have groups shows (called something else). I don't do them, but only as a personal preference.

Maybe it's easy to lose sight, what with the general focus of the forum...but not all models are oppressed, unhappy, taken advantage of, or even care that their shows are capped....even those from Eastern Europe. I personally see it as an extension of the marketing arm, but also respect the wishes of individual models who have different wishes.

Some models rake in a ton of dough in group shows.

It's good to have dialogue, of course, and it's great to help out if your assistance is appreciated, but we're not all looking for a champion to ride in on a white horse and save us from the disgraces of this industry.

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Jun 26 09 4:14 PM

Right Cosmic.. Guys.notice that only guys are responding to this thread..
Look again at this post to remind us of the history that we want to avoid repeating.
Fortunately, our model members are posting again..but less this week because they have final exams all over Eastern Europe.
But look at this anyway.
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1239

But models have not only commented on "group shows" and "tip shows in free chat" as in this thread from last summer
- http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=936
But also protested the changes in the rules with their first collective petition - that got 500 signatures from MFC models and members before it was taken down this Spring and the model organizer suspended by her studio for a month.
Look here: http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1220
UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Jun 26 09 4:27 PM

QUOTE (Cosmicstash @ June 26, 2009 04:09 pm)
I'm not at MFC, but we have groups shows (called something else). I don't do them, but only as a personal preference.

Maybe it's easy to lose sight, what with the general focus of the forum...but not all models are oppressed, unhappy, taken advantage of, or even care that their shows are capped....even those from Eastern Europe. I personally see it as an extension of the marketing arm, but also respect the wishes of individual models who have different wishes.

Some models rake in a ton of dough in group shows.

It's good to have dialogue, of course, and it's great to help out if your assistance is appreciated, but we're not all looking for a champion to ride in on a white horse and save us from the disgraces of this industry.

Ops finally someone see my point of view, i was afraid to said something similar.

And another thing about groups, some models use a trick (and they make good).

Profitable models when i am alone in group just close it, or polite tell me than are going to close it, but some models just let the group go with one people coz once is open more people can came in and sometimes you know takes a hell to take a pvt or open a group.

Sorry if posting too much just a boring day at job.

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Jun 26 09 4:58 PM

Dance4life, there's no way to restrict which members post in the public area.
There's a restricted models area where models can post only for other models, but anything posted here is fair game for any member - within reason. That's the nature of the beast.
I understand your frustration, however, and shared it in my post from three months ago about the discussions on this forum.
Thanks for your input.
UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Jun 27 09 9:42 AM

rigoleto007 u r typical,how can you stay in a group as you r the only one
you are quite happy to,a model that does not have to much experience or thinking groups on MFC do good

here is anouther reason not to do groups,thank you to dean for his input
"The next best is to limit or not do group shows, since that gives much cheaper access to the guys who record."

i wrote this topic for models not for cheap asses like you who are quite happy to stay in a room,if you are the only one in that room,to exploit the model as much as u can get out of her,i bet u wouldnt say"would you like me to leave as am the only one in here"
no you will keep asking for things.

thats why you got so wound up trying to convince people what u r doing is good,for a model.
yes we all know mfc is expensive to me but i think its good,quality.
i am not rich,i would never do group,it is degrading for the model,every premium in there expects her to do all things.

let me tell you that a model on mfc will get more in tips than they would in group,on average
all tip on average 50 tokens,thats 5 mins in group
and in group a model will have to do all to keep the cheapies happy as they would leave is they didnt do what they wanted.

i am argueing for female models on MFC not for punters like yourself who wants to get the most out of his $,read the topic title.

i have been in my model friends rooms and prmiums that ask for group always have low tokens,thats what they inform me about,some even take them pvt as they want to see them naked,after asking for group...its a short pvt.

even premiums with alot of tokens,they ask for group,model says no,then he takes her pvt....that happens alot

so there is no disagreement with you we all know why you luv groups
groups on other websights might be good but mfc does not apreciate the models giving them such a a payment disadvantage,
they r here to make money and it must work for them

i think that has coverd all but then again you will come back with somthing to try and prove,groups are good.

Peace

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Jun 27 09 10:10 AM

QUOTE (Dance4Life @ June 27, 2009 09:42 am)
rigoleto007 u r typical,how can you stay in a group as you r the only one
you are quite happy to,a model that does not have to much experience or thinking groups on MFC do good

here is anouther reason not to do groups,thank you to dean for his input
"The next best is to limit or not do group shows, since that gives much cheaper access to the guys who record."

i wrote this topic for models not for cheap asses like you who are quite happy to stay in a room,if you are the only one in that room,to exploit the model as much as u can get out of her,i bet u wouldnt say"would you like me to leave as am the only one in here"
no you will keep asking for things.

thats why you got so wound up trying to convince people what u r doing is good,for a model.
yes we all know mfc is expensive to me but i think its good,quality.
i am not rich,i would never do group,it is degrading for the model,every premium in there expects her to do all things.

let me tell you that a model on mfc will get more in tips than they would in group,on average
all tip on average 50 tokens,thats 5 mins in group
and in group a model will have to do all to keep the cheapies happy as they would leave is they didnt do what they wanted.

i am argueing for female models on MFC not for punters like yourself who wants to get the most out of his $,read the topic title.

i have been in my model friends rooms and prmiums that ask for group always have low tokens,thats what they inform me about,some even take them pvt as they want to see them naked,after asking for group...its a short pvt.

even premiums with alot of tokens,they ask for group,model says no,then he takes her pvt....that happens alot

so there is no disagreement with you we all know why you luv groups
groups on other websights might be good but mfc does not apreciate the models giving them such a a payment disadvantage,
they r here to make money and it must work for them

i think that has coverd all but then again you will come back with somthing to try and prove,groups are good.

Peace

Well last time i post in this treahd as look you dont understand.

Man forget it, models DO know what are they doing 99% of the time, they DONT need you at all. They keep room open in her interest and the girls that do this are models with experience.

I am not trying to convince anyone less than 1% of models of mfc read this forum, and the one to read most problably dont give a shit from what you and me said.

And remember models can do whatever they want.

Disregarding the model // esploit the model???? You are disregarding the models thinking they are stupid and need you to safe her live. Model can kick me any time if dont is in her interest.

Looks that you are spending your time looking for new models to help them and be the "friendly" guy... what a pervert (lol), dont can you just go pay for a show and leave? Oh no you have to fix the live of models becouse is not good becouse we the other perverts are bad but you dont you are good.

..... please came back to earth.






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Jun 27 09 1:57 PM

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I am concerned about the group shows on"myfreecams"and wondering what you models think"aprove or disaprove"


This topic was not set up for debate. Boys, may I suggest that we "shut up" and "listen"? Our opinion was not asked for. The opinions of other models was, and I for one am very interested in hearing their perspective. Unfortunately, I suspect those opinions will now not be heard here openly, but I'm still hopeful.

Dance - It is a good topic and I thank you for offering your perspective. Maybe you'll get the answers you're looking for if you post it again in your private model section of the forum. I apologize for getting in the way and you will not hear another word from me in this this thread unless you specifically ask for it.

Breeze

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