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Nov 13 09 3:00 AM

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Well, Ive been watching this thread and havent commented on it because honestly I dont know what to say or what you all are talking about anymore!

Discussions are always good and its wonderful when a thread evolves into something else but this is just all over the place.

I orginally had commented on rs3 and tealoneals statements about there not being anything real on cam sites. And I stand by it. These are not dating sites. Its entertainment.

Its takes 2 to play these games. And its not always the model who starts it. If youre looking for something real youre not going to find it on a cam site and let me tell you why.

Its like being on a never ending first date. Or meeting your girlfriends parents for the first time. Or going to a job interview. Everything they say is funny. You love the way they decorate. The picture of the ugly kid on thier desk is simply adorable. Are these lies? Or more a socially acceptable soft truths. You want to make a good impression. You want them to like you. And most of the times they do. But because its not a honest view of yourself it can never be real.

Sure I know someones gonna say that they have interacted with a cam girl when she was down, that theyve seen all sides of her, but thats simply not true. Im saying to consider that all of the positives are not always sincere. How can you have a relationship with someone like that?

It is possible to form real relationships with people online but incredibly difficult to do it in this enviorment. Cause when the model is working she always has to be 'on'.

In some ways I think thats why trainers relationship with his friend is sucessful. Because hes not friends with a model. He has a friend who happens to work as a model. Theres a difference. I doubt the relationship would be the same if they had met on a porn site.

On seperate note this thread has made for some interesting reading and is hitting a little close to home this week. Several days ago a member came into my chat. Had never seen him before but I treated him as I do everyone that comes in to my room. I was friendly. I complimented him. And we chatted and chatted and chatted. Almost 9 hours these last 4 days. What do you talk about for 9 hours? lol. I dont know. All sorts of nonsense. He finds me entertaining and why wouldnt he? Everyone likes to talk to someone who tells them their right. and theyre smart and who laughs at their jokes. I think Im good at what I do. But heres where that line comes in.

The line of whats ethical. Whats a soft truth and whats a hard lie. Where do you draw the line. Where does it cross from entertainment into breaking hearts. Last night he told me he thinks hes getting a crush on me. And what did I say to that. Well what can I say. Heres a man whom Ive spent 9 hours at i wont even say how much they charge per min Everything Ive ever told him was positive. Is this the point where i say, well honestly youre not that hilarious. I think youre amusing, I like your jokes but its more of a take it or leave thing with me.

So you know what I said. I laughed and said that crushes can be good things. Its how you know youre alive. Feeling your heart race every now and then. And with that I changed the subject.

Was I wrong? I dunno. Is the moral thing to do to break off communication with him. Id be foolish to do that. Hes a paying customer. I will not play those games though. Hook him in or what not. I believe in more 'living in the moment' Enjoy my company right now and not let it mean more then it is right now.

This morning he told me hes never felt better. That his confidence the last few days has never been higher. That hes thrilled to have met me. And thats what he paid for.

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Nov 13 09 3:41 AM

Thank you for understanding, Miss Jane.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

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Nov 13 09 4:18 AM

Well said MissJane....But one thing is unclear for me. Did this client actually spend 9 hours with you in private chat? Thank you.
UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Nov 13 09 4:56 AM

Yes Uncle. At first we spoke for maybe 30 mins or so in the free open chat room, the first night. and then an hour and half alone in prvt. And since then everytime I turn aroudn hes there. And he doesnt like sharing my attention with anyone else. At first a model has to be suspicious of a person like that. Any time anyone spends a significant amount of money you have to be. Could be a stolen card. But thats where you have to know the site your on and what safeguards they have in place. Unlike the pirated videos where the sites have almost no approach to dealing with it. most sites take anything related to charges incredibly seriously. You click a button on the site im at, suspecting it could be fraud and they freeze the account. Make the member fax in a paper signing and acknowleding all charges to continue. So I know the charges are good.

Believe it or not thats another thing the model has to take into account when interacting. Worrying that members are scamming them. lol.

But you also have to worry if maybe the person has stalker potential. I mean I read what I write. I can see it could go that way.. possesiveness. jealously, spending at all costs... Again another risk that I have to balance out. For me, right now I feel I have it under control. No giant warnings have went off based on things hes said. I feel my earnings are secure and I think continueing it will be beneficial to me as it stands right now.

I just happen to care. I suppose some models dont give things a second thought. Hurt someone, play someone, hook someone. As long as their bottom line is good, then whatever. But see I believe in karma. What goes around comes around. And the last thing I want is some love sick crazy man after me cause i pushed it too far. That to me isnt worth it. I believe the first pirated videos were probably done out of spite by a member who got hurt by a model. And who knows how many girls are presently being stalked or harrased for the same reasons. its a cycle. Instead of paying forward good its all crap that gets passed around. One model breaks a guys heart, he turns around and charges back another model who then scams a guy to make up the earnings she lost so that guy records her and posts her online.. it just goes on and on.

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Nov 13 09 2:09 PM


QUOTE (UncleLewis @ October 21, 2008 04:20 pm)

AlterNet: "Porn's Dirty, Dangerous Secret..."

By Robert Jensen, The industry works from the assumption that the men who consume the vast majority of commercial heterosexual pornography are not really human beings with hearts, minds and souls. In the porn world, a man is a kind of sexual robot in search of nothing more than the stimulation of pleasure circuits. In that world, the goal is to reduce human sexuality to the production of an erection and orgasm as quickly as possible -- get it up and get it off, efficiently. Pornography assumes not that a man has a penis but that a man is nothing more than a penis.

The pornographer faces one serious obstacle in all this: Men are human beings. No matter how emotionally deformed by the toxic conception of masculinity that is dominant in a patriarchal culture such as the United States, we are human beings with hearts, minds and souls.

No matter how much men try to cut themselves off from the emotional component of sex, that component never withers completely, and therein lies the potential problem for pornographers. When all emotion is drained from sex it becomes repetitive and uninteresting -- in a word, boring, even to men who are watching solely to facilitate masturbation. Because the novelty of seeing sex on the screen eventually wears off, pornographers who want to expand (or even just maintain) market share and profit need to give their products an emotional edge of some kind.

But pornography doesn't draw on the emotions most commonly connected with sex -- love and affection -- because men typically consume pornography specifically to avoid love and affection. So, the pornographers offer men sexual gymnastics and circus acts that are saturated with cruelty toward women; they sexualize the degradation of women. While most of us would agree those are negative emotions, they are powerful emotions. And in a patriarchal society in which men are conditioned to see themselves as dominant over women, such cruelty and degradation fit easily into men's notions about sex and gender.


MissJane, after reading your honest and thoughtful post ( one of many btw), I found myself agreeing with you that when pirates post a model online - both asserting their "ownership" over a models life and then surrendering it to any passerby - it does express feelings of deep contempt and hatred for models in particular and women in general . Some pirates - Alyesius on franc-tireur or TheClone on the- clearly state that they are exposing models before the world in order to shame them at home for "having opened their legs for mere coins." Others of course are affiliated web-masters who are drumming up traffic for their wrapper sites, and have a commercial motive for posting pirated videos.

But I had to ask myself where that male hostility towards models comes from?
I am not so sure that it can be brought back to some dishonest model who manipulated some member's feelings.. As Jensen suggests many guys who visit these web-sites are there to have a sexual experience where their romantic emotions are not engaged. It's a sex act without any preliminary courtship.. An abrupt decision to take some woman private and get her naked and then tell her "to do this and then do that."

But as Jensen suggests, sex without emotion is boring and maybe this is the attraction of an inter-active session with a cam model where the model can add some emotional warmth (some social time) to the experience of giving oneself a hand job and thus make solitary stroking a little less lonely.. But ultimately, this kind of sexual transaction is frustrating and not emotionally satisfying. It provokes anger against women in many clients and validates it.. Gonzo porn that demeans sexual love caters to that anger ,and so does acts of piracy that adds public shaming to the sexual humiliation of the model that takes place in the private session...
Just my thoughts..
UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Nov 13 09 10:25 PM

Very well put Jane. Let's add another topic to the thread lol

I do believe you hit the nail on the head. It can no doubt be a vicious cycle. As one host once asked of me Why can some men be so mean?

As for the stalking it is an issue every host should be aware of. But have you ever thought that the hosts could be grouped into the category of stalker?

Heres a scenario for discussion.
A member comes to her room, she sees the potential of a whale, cash cow or duck is available to her. She gives out one of her e-mail addresses or messenger nicks. Waiting for the member to contact her first. Then keeping the member in her fold and her, in the members life they continue to trade correspondence. The host may not see an individual member for awhile. Hmmm lets contact him via e-mail, messenger and get back in his head Even though the member had advised her he is no longer interested.
Advertising, good business relations? Or could it be looked at as stalking?
Then again the member made first contact so she would be absolved of any wrong doing. Except for the contract they signed. But the websites have the no contact clause to cover their own ass and not he members or hosts.

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Nov 13 09 10:49 PM

tben, you kind of added something I wished to elaborate further on.

Uncle, what you've brought up in some ways in my opinion is off the mark.

Miss Jane's statement about an eye for an eye revenge sort of deal when someone is rebuffed or hurt is one possibility. But what you may be missing is, that when a good paying member becomes attached or hooked to a particular model, that it is more than just what meets the eye. The business model changes and may become more involved as tben has stated.

There can be a mutual connection between the 2 parties, and then emails are exchanged and off work time chats and other stuff begins. It feeds upon itself. Just as if it was a real life relationship. But then the time spent in pvt becomes much more than just a wank and thank kind of thing.

And it also brings out a" protective concern" and "care" for the model as well as proving that the member in question, needs to prove they care about the model.Here is my proof(from that member), I tip you or spend money in private with you(the model) to prove my worthiness and more than a passing wank interest. Does the member see this as just part of the job of a model or is there more to it in the members eyes? Does the model use this to their advantage, just as you mentioned, Miss Jane? You see what you may consider business and a benefit to you and feel the member is paying for that, may not be the case as clearly as you want it to be.

But then quite a few models use that which i just described and prey on that occurring, to get repeat business.

It is very complicated and not just a view of pure porn for alot of male members.

I know this is fact, because I have spoken to some members that told me this and it has happened to me too, early on. It is not just simple porn anymore, that is what makes it so addicting.

Miss Jane, I have seen quite a few models that do entice the members into some false or even some genuine love or friend connection to further their own income. It happens more frequently than you realize and that may be why you see or sense a larger percentage of members seeking more than just a wank.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Nov 22 09 4:07 AM

I ve been reading u all and I still don t see the conclusion ...there is friendship or love on porn sites?
I believe not.Those who believe that they will find true friendship there,are so naive in my opinion.
Or love...lets` be serious are u looking for a porn wife?I think is something wrong with a guy who signs up on a porn site looking for friendship.
Really ...What friendship would be that ?Me,working as a cam girl ,I can pretend for ages being their best friend as long as they pay for it .
And I can pretend that I love them if they want that as long as they pay.
I give them what they ask for.But at least I never used those tricks to make a member to send me money.So,I think I am not so dirty as others.
Is extremely naive to believe that a model can love someone who met on a site.If this happens ...then she has a problem too.
I heard about situations when a model married with a member and I believe that is all about money.
And about what Trainer said-that true friendship can be found online-yes,it can be but not on porn sites.A cam girl is there just for making money,not to find love nor to find friendship.
And don t forget,once u met a girl there...she will be friend of your wallet not yours as person

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Nov 22 09 4:08 PM

Kudos to Andra(shortened due to laziness).

Andra, you have hit the nail on the head so to say.

Example: A member professes their friendship and concern because a model has told this "bank"(my new name for a member with deep pockets) about her financial situation. The "bank" now feels, as a friend, I will prove a worthy friend now, and assist this model to meet their goals by going pvt or tipping. As quite a few have told me this,both those members that I have no friendship with and those that are my friends.

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I am doing this to help my friend out


Who are you helping? In the short term, yes, you may be helping them buy food, or pay for this or that. No less, your feeding the system(studios, websites, bosses etc) where that money is filtered into a paltry remaining crumb of what the member has purchased. But in reality, are you changing the primary reason that made these women choose this job? Are you changing the very essence, the economic conditions,the environments? Are you teaching or advising others that without changing the root problem of it all, your just placing a bandaid on the obvious result and not fixing or changing anything? In the end, and I use this analogy in the work I do, that fixing the obvious result and not addressing the root cause that created what you now see, will never fix anything. It is just a band aid fix and will return over and over again and again.

If you really gave a damn, you would not give a family member money to buy more drugs just to alleviate their current situation without stopping the addiction.

What really makes it so hippocritical, is that although the member(mr.deep pockets) says he does this as a friend to help their model friend out, I ask, are you really helping them out in the long run?

The primary reason why a model is there is the due to economics. So if you really are a friend, and you really really want to help a friend out, then do it without feeding the system.

If a friend of mine wants to seriously help me,for example, they don't go to someone else, hand over $500 dollars and watch their $$$$ get watered down to half of what it once was initially. Why do I mention it this way? Because, many say they are friends, but once again, that is not what friendship is, in the real definition of it all. A member that claims to be a friend, and is helping their model friend, is there for more than just what they have fooled themselves into believing is friendship. You, as a member, are there for more. Your there to see your "friend" get naked from those friendly helpful tips or privates. Once again, money does not buy friendship. It never will, get that through your heads. That is what Andra, Comicstash and Miss Jane are explaining here.

If you all want the deceit and manipulation to end, I propose the websites to change their marketing of it all.

Don't make these websites similar in design to a messenger program on the premise as a friendly community of deep friendships. That is a joke. It is a business, where money is exchanged to view porn in a illusional fantasized live content form, which underhandedly uses friendship and love to coerce and hook members into a false sense of reality.

Everyone that simply gets upset or angry, when they are fooled, or hate that members try to illicit a deeper relationship avoids the simple facts and obvious illusion displayed by these websites.

Like Andra and Miss Jane say, if your a friend, you DO NOT need to see your friend naked or pay your FRIEND to be naked in the guise of calling it friendship. And if your looking for a wife, I suggest looking first where your wallet can be left out of the equation. If you think money can buy those things in life, you deserve to be fooled.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Nov 28 09 11:17 PM

QUOTE (andradavalent @ November 22, 2009 12:07 am)
I ve been reading u all and I still don t see the conclusion ...there is friendship or love on porn sites?
I believe not.Those who believe that they will find true friendship there,are so naive in my opinion.
Or love...lets` be serious are u looking for a porn wife?I think is something wrong with a guy who signs up on a porn site looking for friendship.
Really ...What friendship would be that ?Me,working as a cam girl ,I can pretend for ages being their best friend as long as they pay for it .
And I can pretend that I love them if they want that as long as they pay.
I give them what they ask for.But at least I never used those tricks to make a member to send me money.So,I think I am not so dirty as others.
Is extremely naive to believe that a model can love someone who met on a site.If this happens ...then she has a problem too.
I heard about situations when a model married with a member and I believe that is all about money.
And about what Trainer said-that true friendship can be found online-yes,it can be but not on porn sites.A cam girl is there just for making money,not to find love nor to find friendship.
And don t forget,once u met a girl there...she will be friend of your wallet not yours as person

Sad to say, this is the conclusion I came to. I thought I could
bypass the money aspect by simply not sending any or
tokens. And that did work for a while. But, ultimately, in
the back of their minds, models know the are debasing themselves
to a certain extent, and the resent that this causes flows over into
any potential relationship, poisoning it from the start.

Traimer: someone I know in Rom. not in involved with true
cam-ing (YouTube, non-porn) is out of work. I do send her
money because I like her videos and I would never want her
to become so poor as to go into caming. So, your comments
a long time ago on this subject did have a impact on me.

Late... may have errors. Fix until it makes sense. Bye!

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Nov 29 09 11:00 PM

Rs3, sorry I did not see your reply or post recently.

I hope that it makes or made a difference in a real constructive way. I sense you finally got what I was trying to convey. Not sure if I should say thank you or your welcome.

I only once sent money to a model, and that was after she explained that she and her mother needed some money to cover a payment for the new washing machine they bought. She was Ukrainian, I thought we could be friends but all I was, was a dollar sign. Nice to know your appreciated huh.

Whether that was the truth or not I will never know. But eventually she asked me for more money one time where I took it as if I was viewed like this: $$$$$$.

It was at a point when I realized what this is all about and began having my own financial problems. I told her I could not and she acted as if I was a liar and being a cheap bastard or something. Just goes to show you, how people judge others sometimes. I suppose I was being greedy or selfish.

Good luck to your friend Rs3.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Nov 29 09 11:50 PM

Andra.. Bravo. What a statement..
"Hats Off" from the Old MadHatter.
Kudos to Rs3 and Trainer too..
Nice thread.
UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Dec 2 09 1:07 PM

)) Why is it people only want to be friends with attractive people and on cam sites?

I think i'd like to be a friend to Miss Jane.... she sounds so... ahhhh nice))

I have noticed , after reading 4 a while everything is just going around and around and around. Can see why "Wanker" got fed up!!

Like in any busisness / situation romance can happen.... but whats romance?... a young guy of say 17 giving all of himsef , in the most romantic way of coarse)) with what ever resorces are aviable to a 17 year old to persue the object of his desier... the 17 year old dons't ask him self why he desiers .. he just wants to give))) he dosn'r relaize especially if its 2 dimentional and just pixial on a screen

For all you male members , who have been duped ( or even if you wern't burnt)) from a model who was just playing, weather its ethical or not! Can you really say you love this person on the screen? ... please don't resond with a all the claptrap of how models should conduct them selfs... have read it b4... who ever said pornografia shod be ethical?

You cant get to really know a person, through text, chat, e-mail or how many hrs in pvt chat.... ..(.Yes Trainer.. can be a friend)) and say u love them ... why .. because love is 3 dimentional, or 4 dimentional if you believe other stuff))...and in Cams... u only see whats progected on ur screen.. u dont see bodylanuage wich is integeral to communication))... hard cock and wet pussy dont count ))

Ok ok... UL Ill introduce my self soon))






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Dec 2 09 2:33 PM

facile911, I believe most of us understand what your writing.

If your using my friend and mine relationship, for example , there IS no sexual connotations involved at all. We did not meet on the website they work on, nor is it about wet pussy or hard cocks. It is about reality and life and about being a friend which encompasses understanding, honesty, respect and great open communication. Would any of those values enhance the love for a person or a friendship? I think yes irregardless that it is via the internet.

Now where, oh where did I write those examples of love on this forum? cool.gif

Two dimensional, 3 or 4 dimensional, love is more than just lustful sex over a data stream. It involves mind,heart and soul.

All kinds of love out there facile911, just cyber porn is not the REAL example of love.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Dec 2 09 4:10 PM

Trainer..... i feel like banging my head agains the wall....... im not using ur friend as Eg...or u )) . soory for the miss understanding...

I'v read enough of ur posts to know ur not full of testostrone and egocentric cock master...)))......

I know what friendship is , trust, ...respect.... , know ur an honest guy.... crikey.... )))

Finaly we agrea Trainer.... No love in cyber porn.....

Ok ok .. i have maybe made a friend through cams... time will tell))


but i was never looking for a friend or to be a friend to anwone here.. ( except Miss Jane)).....

But it takes more than hart and soul , thats what i ws geting at .. not lust.... u have to have real communciation to ... have that ... what do u call it .... Love.... takes time.. .. takes more than , i believe 1000hrs in pvt, or 5000 e-mails.... just saying the odds of True Love or Friendship takes time and effor.... even more so in the cyber world.....
do i make any sence....?

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Dec 2 09 7:00 PM

Yes.......

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Dec 4 09 4:42 AM

For the record, this person I mention has nothing to do with cam-ing in the sense usually meant here. She makes some interesting, non-sexual Youtube videos. Oh, also, she is not a friend. I simply value her as a person and like what she has to say. Actually, on a personal level, she is not especially nice at all.

It's interesting that while her videos have nothing to do with sex, she gets constant abuse. Hotforwords and iJustine are other examples. It is amazing the amount of hate that can be directed at women for no direct reason that I can see. You never know the situation in a cam room when some guest starts up. But, it safe to say that these youtube women have never had any interaction with the people dumping on them. Anyhow....

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Dec 4 09 5:03 AM

Miss Jane: 9 hours of pvt and you do not think this guy is developing an unreasonable dependence on you? You are deluding yourself for the sake of money. Sorry. He needs a shrink who can help him, and that is where he should be spending his money. Not on someone who is eventually going to have to severe the relationship rather abruptly, I suspect.

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Dec 4 09 5:25 AM



Lol rs3. Does he need a shrink? I dunno. I think hes just lonely. (FYI, I believe he maxed out his card because he told me the other day hes gotta cut back on his spending until next month.)

But I have no intention of severing the relationship. He wants my undivided attention he'll have to pay for prvt. Otherwise hes more the welcome to hang around in the free chat areas if he chooses. I just wont interact with him as much there. (and honestly he hasnt been hanging around in free chat too much cause it bothers him not having my full attention and he cant afford any more prvts for a while)

Now yeah, I get what youre saying, especially reading what I just wrote, hes definately got issues but oh my - deluding myself? why is it the models responsiblity to right all the wrongs in the world!

Do you think the cashiers at Mcdonalds should take the same attitude to overweight customers? Its no more unethical for them to serve greasy hamburgers then it is for me to chat with him. Its not my call what he does with his money.I provide a service and its not up to me to monitor the customer.



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Dec 4 09 5:30 AM

s3, have to agree with you ............

Miss Jane .. Quote[ The line of whats ethical. Whets a soft truth and whats a hard lie. Where do you draw the line. Where does it cross from entertainment into breaking hearts. Last night he told me he thinks hes getting a crush on me. And what did I say to that. Well what can I say. Heres a man whom Ive spent 9 hours at i wont even say how much they charge per min Everything Ive ever told him was positive. Is this the point where i say, well honestly youre not that hilarious. I think youre amusing, I like your jokes but its more of a take it or leave thing with me.

So you know what I said. I laughed and said that crushes can be good things. Its how you know youre alive. Feeling your heart race every now and then. And with that I changed the subject.

Was I wrong? I dunno. Is the moral thing to do to break off communication with him. Id be foolish to do that. Hes a paying customer. I will not play those games though. Hook him in or what not. I believe in more 'living in the moment' Enjoy my company right now and not let it mean more then it is right now.
TE]

The cash cow isn't addicted to you as a person, hes addicted to the "play" he just doesnt know it.

Rs3 is mostly right saying he needs to have counselling , not from a girl in bra and panties.

its obvious hes delude.......

Miss Jane , would u ever consider telling the client about CGN, ?

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Dec 4 09 5:44 AM

McDonalads...LOL.... well said Miss Jane..

Excellent point!!

But then what about bars, where its law not to sell anymore achole to an intoxiated person

Guess its up to each model how they handel their clients.

One model told me , whe she finds a guy in love with her and hes is a nice person, she asks them to only come visit them in free, not to spend their money in pvt.

The reverse side also has a reverse side

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