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Jun 21 10 7:17 PM

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You are selling sex. You are selling the fantasy of sex. Do you feel or think that this portrayal of selling sexual fantasy may encourage or create an incorrect assumption or an actual sense that members can visit these countries models work from, to seek sexual gratification and satisfy their primal urges?


Well.. personally I tell from the first feeling of "incorrect assumption" that we'll never meet, that we are not friends, if they want to see a good show ok, if not, no problem. I kind of feel offended if I'm proposed to date, but I know that is because other cam models encourage that fantasy.

About selling fantasies - I think people have a sex fixation, even if they blame or encourage the adult industry. Even you are pro or against is still a concern. And our concerns tell about us.

There are many other business that affects them more and should be focused on.
A while ago I was considering that the only "pure" job is the agriculture, make a living of what you plant with your own hands, close to the nature, exchange in products not in money, but later I found there is corruption in that field too ( most use chemical fertilizers, very unhealthy just for a better profit) - and that affects us more. In these days everything is about selling something, convincing others to buy something for your own good, even in art, even in Church ( one of the oldest business). Not to mention the politicians that sell lies and then make thousands of people suffer with their decisions. I prefer 1000 times to work in porn then have on consciousness hundreds of people that die because of me.
But well, everybody has their own personification of evil.

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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Jun 21 10 8:49 PM

You know camgirl, we have similar ideologies in some things.

I agree with you on sexual fixation, which is leading the charge towards exposing sexual addictions,sexual dysfunctions, among many other things, as I am seeing blossom. There is money to be made and this all is very lucrative. Where there is money to be made, the good and bad always follow.

I am so glad you tell your clients what your job entails.What is to be expected and that you are there for a specific purpose other than what they think they can get away with or dream about. Hmmm... does that then make it reality?

There are quite a few cam models that do not or can not, desensitize or separate the fact that this is just their job,and not allow emotions to become involved. I think having some member spend tons of money on them for whatever reason leads both parties to think there may be or is something more,something special,and something possible.

I have read comments of members after a show with their fav model where the member writes and I quote " I will win you win your love".

Is that what this is all about? Is that what the model is looking for?Or their boss,or perhaps the websites?Is it their white knight in shining armor,coming to save the day? (Oh yes, no one needs saving.) But in their profiles may have their marketed fantasy as: "To meet the man of my dreams". That is either leading people falsely or being deceptive and manipulative in my humble view.

At least you appear to not play "the game" and are up front with your clients. But then again perhaps there is that chance that something real might flourish. I just think it is a horrible game of chance to play with people on both sides of the screens. And as I agree with you,I think there should be a code of ethics,rules and an understanding that this is just a job for you all.

Or can there be? I sadly doubt it. The humanity and the emotional makeup of people can not be dismissed, or ignored, unless a person desensitizes themselves from the work. And most importantly, there is money to be made.

If a member does the same desensitizing of it all, then certainly they have a problem in their head.

But in the end, sex sells doesn't it. Promoted in many ways and mediums, and elicits people to link their fantasies to reality all too often, hence why many Eastern Euro countries are well on their way to becoming the next Thailand, or Phillipines.

Aren't we all doing what we want.... Well here is some of the results, camgirl. Simple economics. Supply and demand,my dear. Is it worth being a commodity?

So thanks for your reply and telling it like it is here.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jun 21 10 8:50 PM

Well, been back checking out some posts. Congrats uncle on the
reducing the posts on the fun forum.

Camgirl it is good to see that you are in the 1% that are open to
the guests, their fantasies and don"t promote "incorrect assumptions".
As the other % use the guise of fantasy to make a living with the "assumptions".

Going hand in hand with Trainer's thought's of the hosts profiles that state
"hates lies". Why would they hate lies? The industry is alive with
lies, untruths, injustices. Lies from camgirls to guests, lies from
guests to camgirls, lies from site admins to camgirls. Lies to "fiends" that
can serve to be a source of ????.
But it's a living.

No doubt after years of working in the industry, who do they believe
who can they trust? Who should they trust? Can it affect their personal life?
Once again the cycle starts in this forum it has been rehashed over and over
prespectives differing depending on the individules outlook and needs.


This will never change, the lies will prevail to keep the cash cow rolling along for each individules purpose. Human nature can be a confusing, then again it can change, the industry will not change.

Coincedence Trainer? Hmmmmmmmm, once again it boils down to supply and demand.

Good luck all.

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Jun 21 10 8:56 PM

Welcome back tben.

And to your question.... nope. No coincidence.

We are preying on each other,survival of the fittest.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jun 22 10 2:39 AM

Thanks Trainer

Was going to add this earlier, some may be interested in this author's thoughts.
Chris Hedges - The Empire of Illusion - The end of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle.


Chapter 2 may interest some here, "The Illusion of Love" his reflection on the porn industry.

A link for some insight to the author and his musings.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/books/empir...article1268117/

One mans opinion that provides food for thought.

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Jun 22 10 3:49 AM

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There are quite a few cam models that do not or can not, desensitize or separate the fact that this is just their job,and not allow emotions to become involved....At least you appear to not play "the game" and are up front with your clients.


I think my emotions and my game are just different. Is like you are a serious person in day by day at work, but u have an wild part too and go in the club and dance, drink and like to be in center of attention, but when the morning comes, u wouldnt think all the time about the person you danced and probably don't know his/her name because it really doesnt matter besides fun. Well. for me it's the opposite - I see the fun from my job and I dont think about the clients i've done shows with, in the rest of my time, because it's not useful and nor lucrative. I don't want to read tons of fan emails, i prefer to actually do shows and earn money. And I have regulars even without promises i'll marry all
Maybe the girls that too much free time and start to manipulate is because they don't do earn so good or because they are not focused on the work part, but to what they can "catch", like waiting for something to fall from sky, make some donations.. But it's a vicious circle. They get used with this style or not really work and sooner or later they start to complain that "this cam work thing doesn't work anymore" and start to panique because their knights go away and the money with them. They might do the same in ANY job they'd have : kind of like "i've foolled my boss today, I still get the money of my low level work even with lack of interest, because I smiled and said a little lie. Gosh, i'm so good in this!"

The ethic depends on each man's quality don't matter what they do actuallly and can't be educated after a certain age.

But, it is known that the love victims are really searching for that, so if a model doesn't play sentimentally with him, he would "fall in love" with smebody alse, and maybe know it's a game (or maybe not). Anyway, any abuse implies 2 persons opened to that kind of relashionship. You have to admit that there are people who like to suffer, they are not content to see a beautiful woman or have some hot fun or a nice life conversation - those kind of persons like to suffer, being because of a real woman of an internet image, they feel to fight for something, they want to feel possesed by somebody and they are up to pay money especially for having a sense, an ideal. The fact I don't complicate my life with them it's another part of story, but the henomenon exists and their needs are fulfilled only this way and they start to come in shows simply ebcause cam models are more available to talk with and live that fantasy then let's say the women thjey can find on normal dating sites, women that probably have other claims (in case they actually start a conversation, or get answered to emails), others then the $ for their time and sometimes harder to give. Besides, they can't simply kick/ban a real woman from their life if they decide to win some other's heart.



You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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Jun 22 10 4:38 AM

Camgirl, if I may ask this question of you then, What is your thoughts about what seems to be occurring in countries such as the Ukraine as shown in the video in this thread?

I think it would be well worth your time to watch and observe chats by members in various different web camsites before you answer my question here.

Be open and unbiased while watching and then answer if you so wish.

Thanks

P.S.- I completely understand what you are saying here. You are a professional and you leave work at work and do not take it home with you. But what happens when it actually does get too personal then?

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jun 22 10 4:41 AM

Off topic a bit here tben, I want to share this article Uncle shared with me and get your take on it, since you offered the Chris Hedges tidbit.

http://www.alternet.org/water/147146

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jun 22 10 9:06 AM

They are just flesh and blood and can be made love to (but not by me anymore on a lasting basis,unfortunately).If I have to pay to be around beauties like that,I will,as long as they don't take too much advantage.I don't move in the same circles as models,so camgirls are a good solution.As long as you remember at all times that you are a Zebra in the company of a Lion,you should be ok. If anyone knows where those kids are living in that hole (Odessum?),I'll drop some Mcdonalds in for them or take them for food.I asked my friend but she didn't.

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Jun 22 10 12:45 PM

Interesting read Trainer

No doubt the hubris of capitalism has been shadowing the analytical practice of common sense. Some things will never change. The need for profits and being at the forefront of industry will always push the boundaries, irregardless, of any negative impact should something run amiss.

Those in position to benefit the most will not be concerned with what could happen, what may happen, what will happen. Just get it done, there are profits to be made, we have a tower full of lawyers to cover our ass, we have politicians in our pocket from our generous donations. A game of chess that has been played for centuries throughout the world.

As the world economy is reeling from the effects of a globalization policy induced primarily by the States many are opening their eyes to who and why it was implemented. Was it implemented to better the lives of common folk? Was it implemented to better the world economy? To improve trade worldwide? Or for a handful that would benefit financially?

Globalization was implemented for PROFITS, with no thoughts given to what the impact would be to a given countries economics, employment or financial situation.
As it filters down the stream other alternatives come in to play as people need to eat, survive.

A survival of the fittest as you said. Which opens the doors to unconventional employment? Had the powers that be took their peoples best interest to heart, rather than the cultivation of obscene profits, the planet as a whole, may be in a healthier state
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What the future may bring is uncertain. But past history tells us that dire economic turmoil, social unrest, social injustice and unresolved issues on a global scale can lead to nothing positive for most. Some are waiting for this self manufactured implosion. Their time to pounce, to milk the money machine. To satisfy their own need for greed. Seems as if the war machine is fueling up.

Lets hope we and those with influence, have learned from global history and past indiscretions, to somehow break the destructive cycle of greed , to put hubris aside for the common good of all.

As quoted from the article:

We compete as much as we compute, greed still drives us, and we can rationalize any destructive behavior. We are easily addicted and not easily satiated. We have been thoroughly indoctrinated by an all-encompassing economic order that is driven by a blind quest for power and profit. There is reason to believe we have been traumatized by our recent history of serial warfare, genocide and environmental dislocation.

A post apocalyptic world will benefit no one.

Just a few thoughts Trainer, a little on the dark side huh? Then again there is more to life.
Now, if I can just find my keys I can get on with the day. Lol Camgirl, did you take them in your free time?

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Jun 22 10 6:00 PM

Trainer, if it happens to really both fall in love, that's great. But of course, love itself is not enough. There are many conditions for a relationship to last, there are different backgrounds, habits and experiences and it's not because you are from different places, of course, the distance is inconvenient too.

About the article and video, I think it's sad. I can see cam work as better than other jobs (for me!), but I've never agreed with prostitution and sex tourism. It doesn't matter what their reasons are. Maybe I should be more tolerant since I have an adult job too, but well. I'm not. And $400 a week for prostitution?? That's even more sad. There are cam girls earning 8 times more from their home who are totally safe.

I understand there are some persons that would do anything for some extra money. But why don't they do it the smart way? Of course, that can be because of lack of education, maybe bad family background too, but the idea of "I go in street or I die" it's simply lame. Plus "unemployment has soared by more than 50 percent"? That sounds like a really lazy population.

About ""Foreigners take advantage of girls' - of course, anybody can take advantage of somebody who let them. Getting laid for trips to Paris... I hope it's just a shocking article and they are not so stupid in reality. Articles are also made to be sold. But if it's true.. well.. maybe self esteem is not something you can learn but you're born with it or not. I understand that everybody has a price and can make compromises sometimes, but if they think so little about themselves and they are so cheap to have, they will never have more than they expected already to have. (if it's not about self esteem, may be a marketing tool, too)

Anyway, from the quote " we all have the leader we deserve", I'd say we all have the conditions we deserve, overall speaking, because it's a situation they indulge in, and I don't want to sound mean. We have in Romania problems too, for we're all responsible.


Steve, you make huge confusions and I feel pity for you. "Making love" is not only about "just flesh and blood"

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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Jun 23 10 3:49 AM

Well camgirl, I think you are missing my point.

When I am speaking of more constructive and creative fantasies, I was not referring to the cam industry and what you do there.


Look outside the box of fantasy, can you?

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jun 23 10 1:14 PM

Re-reading through this thread camgirl, I tend to think you don't think highly of men.

That you are much better than them and have power over them.

Why do I write this you may ask?

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The ethic depends on each man's quality don't matter what they do actuallly and can't be educated after a certain age.


The ethics I was describing can apply to the members, whom mostly are men, but I was speaking about women who work in the job you are having fun in. And how they go about their business.

Really, camgirl, if I didn't know any better I would call you a male chauvinist pig except you are obviously a female.

Ultimately, the only power you have is over the "poor" members that visit your chat to escape their own reality.

Now please do not be offended. But really where do you base all your conclusions on? The world of cam modeling?



The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jun 24 10 2:45 AM

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Re-reading through this thread camgirl, I tend to think you don't think highly of men.


you misunderstand me.

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The ethics I was describing can apply to the members, whom mostly are men, but I was speaking about women who work in the job you are having fun



When I said about ethics i thought about models, but also of employeers from other fields, men or females. If a model beg for money, or cheat she would do the same to a "normal" job. I've seen cases.



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Now please do not be offended. But really where do you base all your conclusions on? The world of cam modeling?


From my life experience that started very early, from cam modelling of course because I've learned a lot from it, my studies in Psychology also, my education in other fields too, plus I've worked in other business I don't want to mention here.
Google it if you don't believe me. The family background is what matters the most for a man's ethic (aka human being, male or female) , and there are some soul qualities that can never be changed. I'm surprised you seam so analitical and you didn't thought about yourself - what part of what you are now was was manifested since you were a child. How did you react then in childish situations but very similar with mature ones from the points of feelings and reactions? No, you don't have to answer me, I asked rhetorical.
More then that, it seams we all have subconscious influences from our inter uterine life, so even before birth, and also from the birth experiences, some phisically. For example a child born with umbilical around his neck can suffer of suffocation sensations, with the psychological consequences from this, even has no health problems.
Look in history and see what the greatest tyrants have in common: an unhappy childhood or humiliations experiences that lead them to make everything possible after, dont matter what, for get one's own back.
And if we talk about the essence, i remember a quote of one of the greatest romanian writers, Eminescu, that sounded like this " we all want to look different then we are, be more wealthy,.. but we still want to remain us. What is that part for don't matter how we change about ourselves, we still want it to remain?" Well.. that's what I call self essence, influenced about our early experiences, that is unique and can't be changed, at least not in a life time. That's why I said that ethic exists or not and can't be educated after a certain age (usually over 25, but the rigid age can be earlier for an "old" soul)
Yes, there are geniuses with child heart even when they are mature - it doesn't have to do with the intelligence but with their desire to discover, the ability to learn to things, eager of "pure knowledge" like Platon said, that always want to feel or discover new things, but those are exceptions, and also they seamed to be so since they were children too, so that can only strengthen what I said before.

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the only power you have is over the "poor" members that visit your chat to escape their own reality.


being sure about things you don't know is called ignorance. You don't know anything about me, so neither about my power.
I dont think about the members that visit me that are "poor", and I'm caught in the game too - so 90% of your assumptions are wrong or for the pure pleasure of under-estimating without foundation.

And I am not chauvinist, I'd call it more patriot and I'm not ashamed of that. I'd die if that would change a lot in good for my country, but you are right that I don't have enough power for that, so I can only change my own universe.


Note: in my posts from this topic, "man" = human being ( woman or female), and NOT "man" = alien, separated species from the God called Woman ) how you probably understood

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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Jun 24 10 6:19 AM

Of course family environment has much to do with forming the future of a person into what they become.

To say any person, man or woman can not learn anything more, after a certain age, is is like saying that every person only has so much capacity to grow.

There are people who refuse to learn more, which I consider being stubborn or just plain lazy.
Each and every day I learn something new. In essence we are learning more about each others philosophies as we write our thoughts and views here now in this thread. To learn is to open one's mind and accept new and exciting things. To expand one's horizon.

To learn more is to increase one's knowledge and wisdom, which leads to greater success in life,work and other things,as well as to learn from our own mistakes and to do better or avoid the same mistakes. Some people never learn from the past,only to make the same mistakes again. That is insanity.

Look at our dear Uncle Lewis, he learns more each day and he is older than both of us. I am sure he has learned things from many here who express their voice of freedom and thoughts.

In the field of psychology, there are many factors that shape a persons id, ego and superego. Childhood family, friends, mentors, teachers, cultures, and environments. Even governments can shape a persons future.

I certainly hope that when you write "greatest" tyrants you mean famous. There are no good tyrants, camgirl. Look at the definition of tyrant.


I can learn alot about a person by their writing, by their opinions too. Calling someone ignorant just because they know nothing about the other person... well I won't go there. Then I could just as easily call you ignorant for not knowing anything of me either. I have gone out of my way to learn about this industry you work in,so I can understand the why,how,what,and who of it all. I have spoken to many from many countries and cultures. Romanians are a curious breed to say the least. All you have to do is read other forums as well to learn their feelings and thoughts.
For example, gypsies get a bad rap and are considered second class citizens by many in your country. But then I only know about that from what I have read others speak about them. Perhaps, there is a mindset to eliminate them altogether. Well that is your problem there.

When you say I do not know about your power, I do not need to know your power. It is inconsequential. The only power there is, is the power you control over yourself. No one ever should have power over anyone. You of all people should understand that. Otherwise we all would be under control by other people and have no say in how we live or die.

Saying you are caught in the game as well(is it the game of life or the game of your job?) meaning you have reliquinshed some of your control. Yet you say you have the power.

Quite narcisstic of you to "assume" that I or anyone is ignorant because you believe some do not have a clue about things. You just might be surprised what some people do know. Never assume, because you make an "ASS" out of "U" and "ME"(ASS U ME).

Once again look up the definition of chauvinist or chavinism:

Chauvinism, (pronounced /ˈʃoʊvɨnɪzəm/), in its original and primary meaning, is an exaggerated, bellicose patriotism and a blind belief in national superiority and glory.[1] By extension it has come to include an extreme and unreasoning partisanship on behalf of any group to which one belongs, especially when the partisanship includes malice and hatred towards a rival group.


Male chauvinism is a term used to describe the belief that men are superior to women. The term was widely used by the feminist movement in the 1960s to describe men who believe or display an attitude that women are inferior to men, speak to women as inferiors, or treat women negatively based solely upon their gender.[4] Female chauvinism is a less commonly used term used to describe the symmetrical attitude that women are superior to men.

The term female chauvinism has been adopted by critics of some types or aspects of feminism; leading second-wave feminist Betty Friedan being a notable example.[5] These critics argue, for example, that in some gender feminist views, all men are considered irreconcilable rapists, wife-beating brutes, and useless as partners to women or as fathers to children.[6]

Ariel Levy used the term in different sense in her book, Female Chauvinist Pigs, in which she argues that many young women in the United States and beyond are replicating male chauvinism and older misogynist stereotypes.[7]

So by saying "men can not learn after a certain age" as you did earlier, would indicate that you may not think they are capable of learning more whereas, you never say that of women,do you though. So if that is what you call patriotism as opposed to being chavinistic I suggest you look up the definition of patriotism as well.

By the way I never underestimate much these days. Perhaps you should do the same.

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Note: in my posts from this topic, "man" = human being ( woman or female), and NOT "man" = alien, separated species from the God called Woman ) how you probably understood


I do not even understand what you are trying to say above. Can you elaborate, I really want to "learn" what you mean there. If your god is a woman then isn't that a feministic ideology or a holier than thou one?

man, woman = human beings. Each has their faults and benefits. I see women as an equal. Otherwise we would control or be controlled by one or the other. That would create slavery of another person, and we don't want that do we.

I do believe we have gone off on a tangent here from the main topic. Unless you or I, want Uncle to split this discussion into a seperate topic.

P.S.- Not only do members(men and women that visit adult websites), models also become addicted to it.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jun 24 10 7:19 AM

Well put Camgirl

Ignorance is the lack of understanding, the lack of empathy to others plight, the lack of time to gain a solid understanding of another countries culture.
This is carved out by the individule's society, then again an individule does not have to abide by the umbilcle cord of society which has restricted them.
As you said, very few will take the time to look, reason and feel for others that are outside of the realm they grew up with. A "safe" nationalistic pride that is infused into the soul of each country.
Hard for most to put this aside, this pride they know. Then again if one wants to strive for education, an understanding of the world and what it encompasses they have to.
We are all different, always will be. Which makes the world a fantastic place to live and learn.
It's a shame that societies have taught us, perhaps ingrained in us that we should settle for the teachings of our societies, church , peers, governments.
This planet has so much to offer, everyone should take the time to educate themselves, to understand, to feel for another human being, other's, that sell their soul just to have food, running water, a roof over their heads.
99% may not realize how lucky they are from where they are sitting nor do they want to. They have an internet connection and that is all that matters.
Camgirl I feel sorry for those that think they can"t learn after a certain age, as there is so much to offer and explore.
Learning is a lifetime endevour.


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Jun 24 10 7:46 AM

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In essence we are learning more about each others philosophies


yes, can learn informationally, can get more or less money, more or less aducation but that doesnt change the quality of her soul, it's very hard toc hange that or need radical and ramatic experiences for that happen, this is what you dont understand or agree and I cant explain any better. You hardly can make from criminal a saint or from a thief an honest man(or woman) .

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"greatest" tyrants you mean famous. There are no good tyrants, camgirl. Look at the definition of tyrant.


yes, i meant famous

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For example, gypsies get a bad rap and are considered second class citizens by many in your country


they are not the second, Hungarians are the second and they are 7 times more then gypsies. They are the 3rd

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Calling someone ignorant just because they know nothing about the other person... well I won't go there.

I didnt call that becasue of not knowing another person, but because of pretending to know and make conclusions about without knowing.

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"men can not learn after a certain age" as you did earlier, would indicate that you may not think they are capable of learning more whereas, you never say that of women,do you though

You still don't understand that I said "men" refering to all human kind, both men and women. The war between them was only in your mind when you read it.

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So if that is what you call patriotism as opposed to being chavinistic I suggest you look up the definition of patriotism as well.

Now, that wasnt the patriotism I meant, I just said that i'd die "for my country", not for my feminist group lol


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If your god is a woman then isn't that a feministic ideology or a holier than thou one?


LOL. that was a joke. U have no sense of humor, thats why you dont understand me. i have no feministic ideology, you think I have.

I'm sure you see that females-males all the time becasue you have a contraction in yourself about your feminine and masculine part. Many times that happens to those who's parents divorced and have to deal with that a long time.

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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Jun 24 10 11:48 AM

Your sarcasm is not noticeable at times.

I do have a sense of humor camgirl. I just did not find some of the things you wrote funny.

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yes, can learn informationally, can get more or less money, more or less aducation but that doesnt change the quality of her soul, it's very hard toc hange that or need radical and ramatic experiences for that happen, this is what you dont understand or agree and I cant explain any better. You hardly can make from criminal a saint or from a thief an honest man(or woman) .


Funny how some people skirt or avoid things wen asked, sometimes. I find that everywhere within this industry and from those that work in it. I wonder.... How some people would conduct themselves when facing a judge and jury...Oh yes, I do remember, someone I once knew admitted to having to perjure themselves in a court of law,but then those things are commonplace in their country. You are correct, some people can never change or admit that they see a problem even though the majority does.

I beg to differ.... Sorry no begging here (a joke).

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I didnt call that becasue of not knowing another person, but because of pretending to know and make conclusions about without knowing.


Hmm... Never judge a book by its cover..... I find when speaking with some that work in your industry when questioned about disparities or a specific topic, the other usually will change their tone or then say something totally different to the original statement. I call that covering ones ass. Or a white lie or a convenient lie.

You had better be a bit more precise, because quite frankly, when it does comes to this stuff,there is nothing funny about it at all. Some do not see that. Some take it lightly.


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You still don't understand that I said "men" refering to all human kind, both men and women. The war between them was only in your mind when you read it.


Well thanks for clarifying that.

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Now, that wasnt the patriotism I meant, I just said that i'd die "for my country", not for my feminist group lol


Wouldn't most people?

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LOL. that was a joke. U have no sense of humor, thats why you dont understand me. i have no feministic ideology, you think I have.

I'm sure you see that females-males all the time becasue you have a contraction in yourself about your feminine and masculine part. Many times that happens to those who's parents divorced and have to deal with that a long time.


Camgirl, what are you talking about? Lol, my parents never got divorced. No, camgirl what you find humorous is not funny to me at all when it comes to this. If I sat down next to you and told you some of the things I have seen or have been told I think you would not find any humor whatsoever in it at all.

Very soon I am going to explain why I feel the way I do and why I have come to the conclusions to them. I do not think you will find it funny. I don't think anyone will find it funny.

Ask any of my friends camgirl, I do have a very good sense of humor, at least that is what they have said. Pay attention.... (sarcasm or a joke there?) hehe

If as you state in another post that much money can be made by a cam model in your work that you do, then quite frankly it is the failure of your government and its people that can only provide this work as the only means to attain prosperity. And quite frankly, having thousands upon thousands of women displaying themselves across the internet performing all types of sexual acts speaks for itself.

On top of that this work plays on the weaknesses apparant within all people,members and models alike. Just watch a model complaining about her life to a client/member because their country and its people have failed to provide for them is not funny at all. And to elicit from these lonely, sex starved depraved members money in the form of concern or perhaps guilt is nothing to laugh at either. Yes, that is not funny either. But it does happen all too often and is a fact. Maybe not in your view or eyes but it does occur. (Sorry I am so serious here). But go ahead, yours and others goals for that lifestyle of the rich and famous awaits you and those to come. Nothing wrong with that is there. (Joke or sarcasm there camgirl?)

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jun 24 10 3:24 PM

This discussion about who has the better ethical sense has diverged from the topic of the Ukraine....
I am going follow Trainer's suggestion and split it off into a separate topic in "members' issues."
UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Jun 25 10 1:56 AM

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If as you state in another post that much money can be made by a cam model in your work that you do, then quite frankly it is the failure of your government and its people that can only provide this work as the only means to attain prosperity


The other post was about whether cam models, teachers and doctors were the worst paid. That doesn't mean there are not other fields that are better paid.

And the models shouldn't complain, if they are not comfortable with this they simply shouldn't do it, they should find another job (even for a smaller salary) or invest in something else the money they've earned. Let's not confuse the choice of somebody that got used to better than average living standards or because they actually enjoy it, to continue as a cam model with the impossibility of actually doing something else.

But there are also some cam models that don't want to quit because they sustain their all their family with what they earn, so doing what she loves to do in another field might mean not helping others. Again, a personal choice of those "greedy and selfish cam models". Yes, from one point of view it's justified to "take advantage of the poor members" by making a nice striptease for the members who get to enjoy their "eye-candy" and by spending hours in front of computer in order to help their relatives. That's called self sacrifice, an word unknown for many career women.

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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