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Jul 16 10 10:10 AM

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Ok..6 months almost since I've started doing this "job" [in one of the bigger, Romanian web-cam studios].

Before I actually started to work there I was told :

1. You will work on a non-adult site. ( non-adult means that you will talk and maybe, only if you want, dance a bit, strip a bit, but not often..and only if you feel okay with that) - men come on this site to chat with nice looking girls about everything and anything and you will have to dress sexy - the ones that come for shows are not that many and you will not have to do what they ask but also don't tell them no..use other means to do that ( like what?...i didn't ask- now i know it's about the fact that you have to keep them as long as possible in your chat room)

2. If you want to strip and whatever you have to push the "IN SHOW" button so that no one else can see you

3. No one from Romania can access this site

4. We have tech support that will make sure everything works fine, and to make sure no one will record your shows ( I don't know anything about IT)

5. Everything is confidential.

6. No one is using toys or anything; you just have to act.

My first week there - some things changed:

1. The non-adult thing changed into softcore porn ( my own interpretation, no one said anything directly like that, but only in subtle ways)

2. More then 50% of the members are looking to see not to chat about everything and anything, and it seems that this is the normal way - who is paying to chat?...you can do that for free

I thought to myself...I will do this job get paid ..I will try to do it as softcore as I could possibly do, and then I will leave...just have to take care of my problems

NEXT WEEK

1. I found out that 90% of the girls are stripping and much more

2. I saw the biggest pink dildo I have ever seen on a bed

3. I found out about hackers ...a big community btw

4. I found out that softcore porn sells. No way I am going to make those money they "promised" at first for just chatting

NEXT MONTH

1. The stripping "not very often" actually rarely and even not at all, became something more than usual...even with the ones I talked with for more then just one day, at a point or another wanted to see more. What the hell am I paid to do there? ..impersonate a virtual courtesan ... sure it's nice you can speak about politics or culture and you've read some books too, but what's your "kitty" saying about all this?

2. I found out about CGN, and with that ...the abysmal dimensions of this industry. I got scared

3. After scooping around I decided to register and found out even more things
- the site I work on is easily accessed from Romania
- there are also sites with different passwords and nicks ... some work, some don't
- because of the fact that there is no need to chat when you can just look ... it's very difficult to find out who is a hacker and who is not
- they talk about confidentiality but it will never be the case because they will use your image to sell or to intimidate you

4. The real job description of a tech support is to see what the girls write ( not to send their personal information or talk about the studio etc - not doing a good job about that either ) and to make sure the connection is okay, lights etc, and leave the most important aspect somewhere in the background

The main idea is the transformation process. Why does that change you? How is the change happening? Can you feel it like a struggle?....i believe it starts from the first day at this job. Why? It's like when you get pregnant and you want to keep the baby but you are not informed, not at all, and furthermore not ready, you see that child in your arms and you don�t know what do to, but you keep on going and do what ever you are supposed to do and you forget about yourself. you don't know how to be a mother and a woman in the same time, and you find yourself sooner or later, just a mother and completely unhappy - even if you love your child more then anything else in this world.
As usual I go too far with the examples, and I am very well aware they are antagonistic

You know only what you are supposed to know in order to feel comfortable, and in time ( I think Dean said something like this) you would say "Oh I will show him, he is nice, just this time, and from that point you keep on going. You enter this world blindfolded ...and you are prepared mentally only for what you already know, the things that come after this, will unbalance you even more because you already had the feeling that something is not right, and now you know it but you continue to do this, because it has to pay off...for your lost time, for your fatigue and for you own feelings of despair and shame (something you talked about a lot here)

Take care,
The Partisan
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Jul 16 10 12:00 PM

Thanks ever so much for a great post, Partisan. Your testimony about the process by which models are recruited, then broken in as "porno girls" is the clearest and most comprehensive statement I have seen here to-date. So "Hats Off" to The Partisan from the Ol' MadHatter himself.

Your direct testimony and fine analysis of your job experience confirms what both Tom78 and Dean have said about the process of "on the job training" which at first deceives a future model about what is expected of her and then "conditions" her to accept an ever escalating series of demands for sexual services from her clients - a process which leads her to expand her "threshold of tolerance" for abuse from her male customers.

You are also confirming and elaborating on what we have been told by other Model Members here: For instance this editorial that was published in the Student Newspaper of Haret Spiru's Journalism School in the Fall of 2007 by an anonymous model member of ours:

QUOTE (UncleLewis @ July 16, 2010 12:07 pm)
We all have seen it, and some of us found it of interest. That Job advertisement in the newspapers promising great work for students at high wages. Those advertisements proposing work in an on-line studio as an Internet chat hostesses that offers flexible hours and above average wages.

The problem with these places is that they lure you into what you think is a decent job, and then they only tell you what is really involved once you're inside. Sure it's about being a on-line chat hostess, but they don't tell you that you will be stuck in a small room sitting alone in front of a monitor talking to a bunch of sick individuals who only want you to get naked on cam. The truth is these places are on-line porn studios. They pull you in many ways, and then once you are hired, it's hard to get out.


And then this comment by Gabby, our Romanian Model Moderator talking about a Bucharest studio of which you may of heard...

QUOTE (UncleLewis @ July 16, 2010 11:59 am)
Who could profit more from the cyber crime than the site and also the admins of the studios??!!! Of course some of the vids are made by them!! Just for advertising....They should ask the models : 'Do u want to be a pornstar or not?' but they don't - they just make u a porn star on the worst sites possible!


Or this comment from "Aunt Louise" a senior model in one of the larger web-cam studios in Bucharest about her experience with the Direct Sex web-site and who it was that her studio admins choose place there...

QUOTE (UncleLewis @ July 16, 2010 12:48 pm)
The models working on DS have complained about being capped and posted online for free viewing and video exchanges between members. This issue has been discussed with the owner of the studio, but even though he is in direct contact with the owner of the website, he has done nothing about that. He said that it was good advertising for the model featured on cam and that would bring more traffic. LOL. Direct Sex is one of the worst websites they work with and nothing is done to change that. That is why the owner of the studio has mostly new models working there...because they have no idea what it is about. In Bucharest, there used to be 3 rooms online 24/7, but he only has one now due to model withdrawals from that shitty website.

The only problem is the ego of the owner who thinks he's some wise guy, when he's just a pimp hungry for more money. I have been warned  several times not to open my colleagues' eyes because they should just work and not think too much.  The ideal employee for them is a silly pretty girl with medium en knowledge who's maybe from another part of Romania and who's hungry for money, so they can work her like a slave on cam. I repeat, they do not have any girls working against their wills, but they manipulate the silly ones very well.


We can compare Aunt Louise's analysis of the role DS plays with this testimony from another former model who worked in your studio some years ago whom I will call "SkyPrincess."

QUOTE (UncleLewis @ July 16, 2010 01:37 pm)
I was thinking it's a piece of cake.....But, as time passed, the chat began to get to me...beggars, rude people....I never thought they can bring me so down.....As soon as I wasn't fresh meat to them, they began asking me for different things in private, things I just couldn't do....I was more and more annoyed with the free chat...

One day, I realized this job is not made for me....The hell with all the money, my sanity was in stake. So I told my boss I want it to be over, but he said: "No, no, no..I have another idea....I know it's hard here, but I will start working with another site (Direct Sex) and I think that one will suit you.... It's peaceful..." I said ok, let's give it a try...But not only did I waste my time and money (because I made there in 2 weeks what I would normally make on the other site in 5 days) but I wasted my emotions as well....

Girls that worked there probably know it's not an intelligent move to get undressed for 17 cents per min, so I tried to trick the members..until they became rude..."You are not here to make small talk...u are here to fuck yourself !!!!! " Hmmm....good to know....


I think that what we can surmise from their testimony is that the Direct Sex web-site is a "training ground" where studio admins place new models to get them "broken in" and accustomed to performing "soft core porn." Once the training process is complete - and if the model learns to accept what's expected of her in terms of sexual performances - they can move her onto sites like Private Feeds or *MFC*s, where the performances are much more hard-core involving dildo shows, anal penetration, anal and vaginal "fisting," or "live cum" and "squirt" shows, etc. etc. And as Dean points out, we have seen this process repeated time and time again.
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=922

What strikes me in your testimony and that of your former colleagues is how much this "job training" in online "Courtesanship" resembles the conditioning process in the regular porn industry. We might ask to what degree, or not, the 'career path" of the typical studio "cam-model" has some similarities to that of the the regular "porno-girls." Ofc, in some places, Brno or St. Petersburg, the "camming world" can easily overlap with regular porn production, and often does.

This is how Carmine Sassacino and Kevin M. Scott describe the typical career of a young American porn "actresses" in California - as they are sucked into the industry and then used up in a matter of six months - in their 2008 book, The Porning of America....

QUOTE (UncleLewis @ July 16, 2010 12:44 pm)
The vast majority of female porn performers have a very different kind of career than Jenna Jameson, and produce a very different kind of porn. A walk through an average adult video store or an hour spent on line browsing the virtual shelves makes the internal class structure of the business of pornography painfully clear.
  Most women are in the business for a short time, and this is for a reason. Unlike the porn elites, the run-of-the-mill female performers lack distinction of any kind. They are generic, utterly interchangeable and usually appear in anthology movies along with other interchangeable performers. Watching their DVD's make the anti-porn feminist's claims about the degradation of women suddenly convincing, if only until we regain our larger perspective. Unless they quickly leave the porn world, they are whisked along the entire dark highway of its sex acts, always with the same series of stops: as we have seen, they start with girl/girl, then move on to girl/boy with oral and vaginal penetration, then on to anal penetration, followed by "double penetration," then on to interracial, and finally they are dumped at the grimy end of the road, "pinkeye" and abuse porn. An entire "career" often lasts less than a year. Six months is not unusual."


One last comment, your experience - like that of Gabby's and Skyprincess and so many other of our members - involves the story of people who fell into this industry with very little prior exposure to it.. And many of whom - like for instance Mary Ann, a former Catholic novice - had had a strict religious up-bringing.. But there are plenty of counter examples I could cite - models who had been into amateur "cyberring" in live chat rooms, before somebody clued them in that they could make money doing what they were already doing for fun.. Or lots of kids in France, Germany or the US who grew up on Porn since they were pre-teens and who think that becoming "porn celebrity" like Paris Hilton would give them status as a "hottie." So they did "sex-texting" or "cyber sex" dates in High School. Their stories may be very different from yours...

The "pornified culture" within which they grew up in, their involvement as kids in all sorts of social network or fantasy game networks, made them "digital natives" who are already pre-prepared for working on-line as a "cam-girl." Something "Alt-Sex," that they think is both "hot"..and empowering. Being called a 'cam-whore" doesn't cause them the nearly the anquish that it caused you. For many it's both an emblem of rebellion and a badge of identity to be fiercely defended. So be prepared to take some criticism from the "Do Me," Third wave feminists here who react against the least hint of a "victim vibe" regarding virtual sex work. Bear in mind that their experience as independent cam-girls or "sex-entrepreneuses" has been very different from yours as an studio model.

Look at the pinned topics in this section for examples of what I mean:
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1772

BTW, I am moving this post to "Read the Members."

And on a personal note, congratulations on an excellent piece of analysis which is very well written. Thank you for sharing this with us..

I know it must have been painful at first to admit to yourself that you had been taken in by false advertising; then to write it down on paper and finally to post it publicly. That took great courage as well as personal honesty. It shows this industry could not touch your personal moral compass - whatever else they may have done.

You work in an industry that depends a lot on keeping its trade secrets truly secret.
And you have dared to go public with them to help other girls.
So again, Brava, Bravissima, Partisan.

UL
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Jul 16 10 12:10 PM

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That Job advertisement in the newspapers promising great work for students at high wages. Those advertisements proposing work in an on-line studio as an Internet chat hostesses that offers flexible hours and above average wages.


On my homepage of CGU, you'll see the advertisement used to get new models. I posted it there.

I have MANY advertisements showing the promises of thousands of dollars per month to be made.

I also have the statistics that affiliates make per month.

"Only one thing is impossible for God: To find any sense in any copyright law on the planet." ~ Mark Twain

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Jul 16 10 12:23 PM

Before starting this job u should have looked for more info about it. With a simple Google search, u could have found model forums and u could have seen that most of it is hardcore porn and that they promise a lot of money but don t mention how hard is to earn it. But they mention the highest earnings they ever had...to impress new models. U were not well informed and that was bad for u. But it's never is too late to get informed.

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Jul 16 10 1:06 PM

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The models working on DS have complained about being capped and posted online for free viewing and video exchanges between members. This issue has been discussed with the owner of the studio, but even though he is in direct contact with the owner of the website, he has done nothing about that. He said that it was good advertising for the model featured on cam and that would bring more traffic. LOL. Direct Sex is one of the worst websites they work with and nothing is done to change that. That is why the owner of the studio has mostly new models working there...because they have no idea what it is about. In Bucharest, there used to be 3 rooms online 24/7, but he only has one now due to model withdrawals from that shitty website.


MFC has the same beliefs and philosophy...

I have tried to warn models, but I got same response that I mentioned in a different post. Many 'pirated' videos come from MFC, as they did from DS. But the cam site does not care, even attempting a new prostitution angle with models - Raffles. And all of this recorded.

"Only one thing is impossible for God: To find any sense in any copyright law on the planet." ~ Mark Twain

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Jul 16 10 4:29 PM

Partisan,

Each and every time you post here, reminds me of a past. The past that touches a time or experience for many a model and those who visited a model.

Keep writing and expressing your thoughts and feelings, because as hard or angry or resentful and maybe sad you become, speaking and talking about it does help even if it seems so hard at the time.

Your thoughts and feelings are heard and understood by many.

Thank you as well.


P.S.-Very soon I will post something similar that is just as personal but from the other side of the screen. I hope you will read it as I have read your feelings and thoughts.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
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�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
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Jul 16 10 9:20 PM

Partisan, there are non adult sites as they advertised but they don't cooperate with them, for some reason. Let me know when you need help Indeed now it's more difficult than before to make money from non adult, but I have a friend that bought an apartment years ago using only the money from non adult chat, working from home.

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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Jul 17 10 3:43 PM

Partisan, welcome. I am both honored and saddened that you quoted and spoke of my post so honestly and emotionally.

Honored, because it means my words carried truth and reached someone.

Saddened, also because the truth of my words was proven by YOUR story. I am truly sorry that you had to experience such things, and for how it has affected your life.

Take heart. The truth does not set you free....KNOWING the truth sets you free.

Remember, YOU are in complete control of who you are, what you do and how you behave. No one has the right to tell you what to do unless you yourself give them that control. The key to taking back your life is taking back that control.

The fact that you are here, facing the truth of your situation and speaking with people who share parts of your experience....well, that is an important part of regaining that control. Again, I am honored that I was also a part. Thank you.

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Jul 17 10 6:07 PM

As usual I feel the need to thank you for your words, thoughts and advices.
So..THANK YOU

I think I've let the impression that i haven't read or searched anything about this videochat thing. Although i wasn't well informed i searched on google "videochat" "about videochat" "nonadult videochat" and i have even entered on "LJe". I just had one week to get informed on something that i have never been aware that exists..not much

Anyway, my "searching words" lead me to an endless number of job advertisments in this industry and therefore to their own websites. I have also found a forum but the main subject was about adult videochat. Finaly, on LJ I saw the nonadult section- a bunch of girls, boys, women and men showing only their faces and talking - and i thought to myself "Well this must be it, the nonadult thing" ... the rest is history.

I don't think you can get very well informed before entering this world...except maybe if you come across CGN ..and take your time to search and read.

But, i believe that if you don't lose your head you might get to the conclusion, before starting the job, that it's best you do it by yourself. It's easier to feel you are in control if you are at home ..when you work in a studio ( maybe just me) you feel the pressure.."She just had an amazing show and she made 2000$ for doing almost nothing"..and also, i haven't heard any girl complaining ( i didn't gave them the chance..i'm not very talkative there) ..the general atmosphere is positive. Girls talk about their shows and how much fun they had and how much money they made. You almost feel that there's something wrong with you. I said something last week like " I am not feeling well doing this, i think i can't adapt and maybe it's best i leave" and the "free advices" came instantly.. "Try to watch some porn movies (which btw I don't like) to get you in the mood.To get me in the mood for what? Wasn't I on the nonadult site? Oh yes..not for you to do something, but just to have that aroused look ...actually, don't worry you are doing great, of course you can improve..but have some patience."

It is never too late to learn more..we learn each and every day something new about us or the world we live in and it is great when sometimes we have some sort of guidance when we do this. I am still very grateful I have found CGN and with that so many people that speak about this not only for themselves but for the others .

Take care,
Partisan

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Jul 17 10 7:33 PM

I apologize for posting here, but I think behind all the seriousness and sincerity, I have to say this.

Better than reading people saying this to you all the time Partisan........

"Show me your tits" or "Open pussy" or "Can I see your ass,please".

I think we are a little deeper here..... sorry for the levity.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jul 18 10 12:55 AM

Indeed the atmosphere in the studios is very competitive - for some it works fine, for others it doesn't. But any experience you have, is something to learn from. You adapt or you make it in your own way, at home. Another thing is to not do what you don't feel like doing, even if all the others tell you differently - and I know, it's not easy, especially because the studio has as its only purpose to make more and more money. Finally you have to decide if the studio is part of your world or not.

good luck.

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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Jul 18 10 5:52 AM

The question has been asked here, more than once, why is CGN here and what has it accomplished? There have been lots of answers from different members and perspectives, but my answer is YOU. YOU and others like you are the reason CGN is here, and I suppose, the reason why I'm still here after this much time.

Thank you too Partisan. I hope you find your way.

Breeze

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Jul 19 10 2:08 AM

Partisan,

I first want to say thank you for sharing your feelings. In America, we do not see many of the hardships around the world. It truely makes me sad to see all of the hurt. I have been very lucky, and I worked in the technology industry for many years. So for you and other cam girls, it is Extremely difficult to protect pictures of yourself for not going everywhere. Web-sites of corporations are hacked routinely, the sites you are on are even generally easy to break into. So, never count on the web-site operators protecting you.

Now, I want to say I have meet a girl on one web-site that really needs to help. Note, she did not ask, but I have taught college for years and have learned to know when someone is reaching out. I have texted encouragement and kindness to her, but that can't really help. How does that buy food? Are there any suggestions, I am not overly experianced, but I research a lot. I know simply sending money is not a good solution. I was hoping to help bring her to America and find gainful employment that dos not cause her to sacrifice all of her self-esteem. At this point in time, there is no romantic involvement, just two people talking. I feel bad not being able to know what to do.

In conclustion, to Partisan and other cam girls, the shame is not on you. It is on the men (including me) for placing you in such a situation. For this, I apolgize for my actions. Sometimes, in America we have too much money to spend, and it causes problems like this, drugs, human trafficing, ...

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Jul 19 10 2:33 AM

ItsJus, seems you may have recognized what some call or consider the supply and demand of it all.

If she truly needs some immediate assistance and you trust her, then there is nothing wrong with sending some help her way.

I want to toss something out to you and here again.

What if all these members of these sites pooled together what they spend in one month or 6 months or 1 year, on these sites, and used it to help those who need it? Hmmmm... can you imagine what you could do with that money?

Well some people who work on these sites would not accept or look at it as an insult or something. There are some very proud and strong women there, some are very independently minded too. Itsjus, you have to look at this from all points of view and perspectives.

Good luck.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
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STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jul 19 10 6:39 AM

I don't know what to say about this except what i would do. I would never accept money or to go in a foreign country, because someone (a member) wants to help me. I wouldn't trust that man, because of the conjuncture where we met.
And to see some kindness there does help, actually a lot. We do this in order to pay for food and bills. The members are not seeing us as humans and we begin to doubt that we are even aloud to question that and all we should do is just "play" as they ask...so when someone comes around and begins a discussion and tells you something like " I had a nice time talking to you" it just gives you the strength to go on.
Maybe i am just making a big drama out of everything and i am just feeling sorry for myself (not only for me, although), but this is how i feel and it is hard to see how perverted the world truly is and how i have ended up to be just another pawn in the destruction of humanity.


Take care,
Partisan

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Jul 19 10 7:50 AM

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Maybe i am just making a big drama out of everything and i am just feeling sorry for myself (not only for me, altough), but this is how i feel and it is hard to see how perverted the world truly is and how i have ended to be just another pawn in the destruction of humanity.


You've "ended" to be nothing of the sort because this isn't where you'll stop. Some will, but you'll come out the other side of this, I'm quite certain. And I can say this not because I know you, but because who you are (as a person) comes through clearly in your posts. We each do what we have to, and sometimes we get dirty along the way.

The world is a perverted place, and worse. But that's not the whole of it. There is beauty and goodness here too, and genuine people with whom to share it. Set your eyes on some of these things as well, so the brutality of the world doesn't crush your spirit. It's a beautiful one.

Breeze

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Jul 19 10 8:34 AM

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In conclusion, to Partisan and other cam girls, the shame is not on you. It is on the men (including me) for placing you in such a situation. For this, I apologize for my actions


Look, there are always other solutions. Years ago internet didn't even exist and the people still survived. Whomever doesn't like this job, shouldn't do it. I don't think it's "shame" as you call it. It's a take it or leave it opportunity. I am grateful for it every day.

Now once the choice is made, the most important thing is to do it as smart as possible and avoid other third parties who might take advantage of you and the sites that are recording shows for use in advertising.

I have friends who moved to America and who now say it was better before when they worked as cam girls from Romania, from some points of view. Plus, in some European countries the salaries are higher than in the USA and there's no need to get married so you can stay there.
And Trainer is right, sending money can be offending.

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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Jul 19 10 5:19 PM

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I have friends who moved to America and who now say it was better before when they worked as cam girls from Romania, from some points of view. Plus, in some European countries the salaries are higher than in the USA and there's no need to get married so you can stay there.



Camgirl, are you admitting that some things may be worse in the USA than in Europe?

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jul 19 10 11:41 PM

Partisan.. you are not "at the end" at all. This industry would have you take some further steps before they would consider you a true "professional" and a member of the "milieu." BTW there are some older models who have indeed reached the "end of that road" in your studio.

But look again at my response to your initial post.. Yours is a pretty "softcore" web-site and you will be expected - and indeed pushed - to move on.. But I think it's pretty clear that you have have already veered off the prescribed path to "Porn Celebrity". Which is all to your credit...Nobody should have to do things with and to their body that they don't want to do. Which also is what camgirl is telling you.

And as for being "a pawn in humanity's destruction..." Well, Partisan, with courageous posts like these, you're acting more like "human rights activist" than a "cog" in the studios' version of the "Industrial Vagina.."

UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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