#21 [url]

Jul 20 10 8:36 PM

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Is it a double edged sword and a double standard with sprinkles of hypocrisy we are discussing here?


Yes.

But the difference is that a performer's alter ego is working their claim in the new gold rush, and a member is there because they just get off on it in one way or another.

I'm generalizing, but in a nutshell, that's what's up and why. Members of sites are members of a specific demographic that has nothing to do with age, social, or financial status.

And Camgirl, I'm sure you attract all kinds. Many of whom probably are sensitive, intelligent and respectable. But would you choose them as friends in your offline life knowing what you know about them? Maybe. But I'd wager the answer from most girls would be a resounding, "No, thank you". Because of the circumstances under which you met. Of course there are all kinds of people who visit and chat and private, some better than others and some genuinely good people. Regardless... it's still a porn site.

/shrugs shoulders

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Jul 20 10 8:41 PM

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But would you choose them as friends in your offline life knowing what you know about them? Maybe


Well, I have real life friends that watch porn and I don't have any problem with that. Of course, I don't want in my life those who watched me..

And i'm not even interested to make friends that way, I have enough friends and little time for them. Besides, it wouldnt be a real friendship from his side if he met me on a porn site, that rarely happens. There are members that appreciate me as personality, but I see that as part of the professional side, not personal.

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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#23 [url]

Jul 20 10 8:53 PM

Ok camgirl, I have never seen you naked, never paid for a show with you.


Would you be my friend?

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�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

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#24 [url]

Jul 20 10 8:58 PM

Yes, you are not my client. And I think we are friends already as much as we can be though internet I feel attached by some personalities I know on this forum, we are a pretty cool community and I'd miss you if some of you would leave. Especially those who don't agree with me all the time

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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#25 [url]

Jul 20 10 11:48 PM

Camgirl, I don't agree with you all the time?

Cut me some slack.

Now back to the future.... What will BDean think about our posts here, ya think we made a slight point?

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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#26 [url]

Jul 21 10 12:47 AM


hey, my English is not perfect. I think I wanted to say "those who disagree with me" But you know what Freud said about misswriting/misssaying ..(invented translation) it shows our real way of thinking haha

I dont know what he thinks, waiting for his reply

maybe he thinks we should get a room since we are official friends

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Jul 21 10 1:04 AM

Thanks for all the great responses. I appreciate the time everyone took to communicate clear advice and the conversations have been very interesting.

Several points were made and several points of view were expressed. Being a noob here and actually noob to the world of adult web cams as an industry, Im not sure I can fully summarize everything said. However, here is what Ive gleaned from the forum:

1. Some members believe that there is a fine line between friend and customer and that line is crossed the minute that a private chat is initiated.
2. Some members believe that models view customers in a less positive light than they would if the internet-friendship was kept out of the private area.
3. Models are in the position of viewing customers as a source of income that may be here today and gone tomorrow, therefore they try to get what they can from them when the opportunity arises.
4. If a model brings up a personal topic of need then it could be for the purpose of getting money from a customer or it could be to support an actual truthful need. It is not certain what the motivation is, but the cam models who have spoken about it dont approve of manipulative behavior.
5. It is up to the customer to decide if the models request is legitimate and seemingly only he/she can be sure of the models sincerity. Personal relationships are incredibly complex when it gets to this level of intimacy.
6. The best recommended response to a request for money in exchange for friendship is Sorry I couldnt help you, hope the show we did helped you a little. I can only buy credits here and would love to keep seeing you here.
7. The general consensus on sending money to a model that a customer has gone private with is not to send money.

Some models request money with customers so that they can do private shows off the cam site. There was no consensus on whether this is a good or bad idea, although it is less expensive for the customer and more profitable for the model. More ideas on this topic would be appreciated since some models have requested this type of arrangement. My response has been emotionally mixed; i.e. I have done it, but I usually have a hard time thinking sexually about a woman who I know hasnt eaten in a few days accept for the small amount of food she bought with the money I sent her. The intimacy gets a little sour at that point.

My conclusion for the next action is still not completely clear to me though. For the most part Im going to take everyones advice into consideration and try to practice some of the advice that has been shared. Thanks all who responded to this post.

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Jul 21 10 1:20 AM

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I have done it, but I usually have a hard time thinking sexually about a woman who I know hasnt eaten in a few days accept for the small amount of food she bought with the money I sent her.


wow u really thought that?? FYI the hard worker models earn more then the medium salary of their clients. I've never heard about a model to not have at least the basic, even if she works part time, maybe only if n she's really really ugly and really really stupid.

About the shows outside of the site, I'd say better to know the girl on the site and only after, if u liked her show, to do it. But you should consider to know her first, because if you send her money directly, most probably she will have your real name and details. That's why i don't advice the models to do it either, unless there's trust.

A good deal for her is to reffer you/ ask u to register though her webmaster code on a difefrent site where she receives higher %, she gets an extra 10-15% bonus of what you spend AND 10% of what you spend on other girls from that site. That's how you're both ok. I've done that before and it's very cool, because sometimes I open the model account and I see i received bonus even i wasnt online (from the reffered guys that spent on other models)

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#30 [url]

Jul 21 10 11:48 AM

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I feel attached by some personalities I know on this forum, we are a pretty cool community and I'd miss you if some of you would leave.


Likewise.

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#31 [url]

Jul 21 10 4:13 PM

QUOTE (TRAINER @ July 20, 2010 03:12 pm)
1) Tip me to join and become my "friend" so I can PM you.(MFC)

This is now happening all the time. Maybe started with a girl that was getting too busy with many PM's and decide to "f*ck the lonely beggars with the never end chat in PM and no pvt" applying a fee to PM her. Quickly many girls decided to do the same. Even the girls that have practically nobody PM'ing her.

Before continue, I must say that Americans, so far, are the most honest in this business. But... have you seen how many Americans have now Amazon wishlist and chipin campaigns?

Without mentioning names, an American camgirl just bought a brand new car with the money earned not from her shows, but from donations on chipin. She just started a campaign on chipin asking for money to buy a car and people helped her. This same girl has a wishlist on amazon so people can buy off items to decorate her new house.

In another situation, a well know camgirl/softcore model started a chipin campaign to raise $15,000 to pay a debt that she never explained what it is. How is it different from a Russian/Romanian/Ukrainian/whatever girl asking for money because her mother is sick? Guess what, in two weeks, this American model got already $1,000.

Not all the girls will ask for extra money, but many of them will do it if they see they have a chance.

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#32 [url]

Jul 21 10 4:54 PM

Are you surprised by what you see there?

You have members who will pay for and buy things for women in real life, for a piece of booty and it surprises you that you have members who do that on MFC? I also ask for what? To see them naked? To be top dog in a room of dogs? Is it a macho thing? It all relates to the community and what distorted sense of machoism these men think they need to expouse.

To me, these models are opportunists plain and simple. If they can get away with it all the better. To me it just seems that these men think with the wrong heads.

These members have this idea that buying things,tipping for all types of reasons posted on a models topic, and sending them things listed on a wishlist to prove their apparent friendship. Or is it to make them appear to be someone special in the models eyes so they can be better than all the others? It is an ego thing.

And some women use this as their window of opportunity. If members will pay for it, why not? Do you blame the models?

I don't. Just like any member who gets scammed. And so it goes.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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#33 [url]

Jun 20 13 4:08 AM

Ok the thing is why not use chipins and wishlists? Models can't keep camming forever so, if they can get things without dipping into their pay while putting a few extra bucks into a retirement fund or whatever. What is the big deal?

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#34 [url]

Jun 23 13 12:03 AM

The reason not to use Chipin is because they use PayPal which has an anti-porn policy.  When PayPal discovers she is a webcam model, they freeze the account and keep the money making a nice profit from porn.

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