#41 [url]

Jan 24 11 8:12 AM

QUOTE (TRAINER @ January 24, 2011 06:20 am)
OMG....

Am I watching a sex soap opera drama here now?

Member, pay for sex, record?(is that a contest for winning the top model spot or winning a cash amount), to bf/gf cam work to how the entire site will view it all?

Seems like people on that site, want to be the center of attention, not only there, but to the entire internet as well and the world.

Wow, congratulations on creating a great premise for a new soap opera....

AS THE CAM TURNS




if you want real soap opera stuff i'll tell you about the time on the site i'm talking about where a cam girl absolutely drained the bank account of a parapalegic guy until he had to file for bankruptcy and was gonna lose his house. I wish that story was fake but, its real. this is just another day on that site lol.

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Jan 24 11 8:40 AM

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if you want real soap opera stuff i'll tell you about the time on the site i'm talking about where a cam girl absolutely drained the bank account of a parapalegic guy until he had to file for bankruptcy and was gonna lose his house. I wish that story was fake but, its real. this is just another day on that site lol.


Well to be quite blunt. I have seen that happen, then this is not the first time nor the last time it will happen.

I have seen other things as well, Harry.

Thank you for bringing up something that I have been debating with others for a long time about.

Camgirl, now stop stereotyping the USA, when you write about seeing a persons parents having sex. And making it seem taboo or disgusting.

I for one didn't feel that way.

The point here is, without the drama or rumors, and whether it was or was not a boyfriend(it could be the bf, who is a member, but is really just a paying client), it is that someone paid for sex and is doing it for some reasons or purpose to :

1) Win some contest

2) Break some record

3)Brag?

4) Create jealousy

5) expose herself to further her career

6) To be exposed on the internet and shared with thousands of people

7) Not thinking and enjoy creating drama and be the center of attention

8) to become popular on the website

9) To be judged

10) It is a psychological game and a school experiment for college

11) None of the above

12) All of the above

13) Some of the above

Anyone else wish to elaborate or assume or presume as to what and why?

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Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

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Jan 24 11 1:18 PM

QUOTE (camgirl @ January 24, 2011 08:11 am)
And ive seen my parents having sex ( though the key hole). It was educative I start to think that this taboo subject about parents ( like we all want to think we appeared some other way) it's mostly in USA - appearing also in teen movies like a horror.. omg, dont wanna think about my parents having sex. Really, I dont see what's the big deal.

I'm french and i don't want to see my parents having sex... and yes, i prefer to not think about it. That was my 2 cents.

For the morality of the actions, as long as nobody is hurted and it happens between 2 consenting adults, i think it's fine. For the judgement of the society, it's not only cause you care or not about what think the others... it's also cause what thinks the others has an influence on your life even if you don't care.

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Jan 24 11 1:31 PM

I think that lookingforwishes speaks for many of us here.. She certainly spoke for me in terms of defining what I mean by "harm reduction.." And I don't agree with prohibition of sex work or criminalizing clients' purchases of commercial sex..It tends to empower all the wrong sorts of people by making sex work clandestine as well as blinding the public to what's actually going on...This makes it more difficult for outsiders to observe and sex workers to report the actual abuses and harms that are occurring in an industry - where the potential for abuse - especially of under-age sex workers - is enormous.
UL.

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Jan 24 11 3:28 PM

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And I do not mean pity here. I mean actual regard and acceptance for who we are as human beings and the complexities of choice and circumstance that have led us to this point and which shape our lives. Quite frankly, I don't care if you think my actions are moral. But I do care if you want to work with me to change oppressive circumstances, if that makes any sense - you don't necessarily have to agree morally to do that (some will, some won't), if you can look past whatever your moral hangups are and look past the urge to pity and actually move towards real honest compassion. And I think that while it is a very fine line and a difficult situation and usually people either stop at moral disgust or move a few steps past moral disgust and stop at pity. But if we can move past that...that is something that is fucking amazing.


Yes, said better than I could have said. Take the moralizing out of the equation. And simply deal with the facts and questions as they are. Yet aspire to apply an unemcumberred moral compass, as to the treatment of fellow human beings, and the circumstances they have come to. From the combination of these two, amazing discoveries and movement can also happen.

"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Jan 24 11 4:09 PM

QUOTE (TRAINER @ January 24, 2011 05:23 am)
Are you writing about only the oppressive conditions for only people who choose or do not have a choice about choosing sex work?

I am not writing only about sex work. I talk about sex work here because I have experience with it, and this is a forum about sex work, but elsewhere in my life I also work in other communities affected by oppression. Oppression unfortunately is not contained by any means only within the realm of sex work. And the resistance work I do in other areas informs how I approach resistance work with regards to sex work.

As to the rest of your post - yes, I hope that the forum achieves that, too.

And in response to the rest of the thread...

With regards to the legality of prostitution or of this case in particular - as camgirl has already said, illegal where? Prostitution is legal in MANY places, including at least one U.S. state and a few European countries (as far as I know). The legality of something has very little to do with its morality. Laws are changeable and dependent on the whim of politicians. I'd like to think, sometimes, that morals are not. Laws can also be unjust and oppressive. Hopefully morality isn't.

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estos son las consecuencias / no s donde va para / otra guerrillera! / las mujeres en la lucha no pueden parar

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Jan 24 11 4:55 PM

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For the judgement of the society, it's not only cause you care or not about what think the others... it's also cause what thinks the others has an influence on your life even if you don't care.


really? id like to find out how i'm affected by society and by people who have "influence in my life" when my family knows what I do and most of my friends are sex workers. You've never heard about society inside of society? or the ability to make your own rules instead of obeying to other's rules ( usually in your disadvantage), because the whole society always try to swallow personalities, dont matter in what field u do things differently. And still, people who did greater things than others always been some parias ( and not even Jesus content them all while he was alive) . I can live with what limited minds think or say about me, it's even a compliment

Not mentioning that the others opinions are very changeable. We all know how the respect is won these days, unfortunately. U might be a bad boy or girl till a point, but if u have a big house and a nice car, you are seen as an acomplished person suddenly. There's no spine in the society u talk about.

The taboos and borrowed opinions ( a package contained by parents opinions, circles you live in..) makes you sometimes your own opinion to be in minority and in your disadvantage. yes, it might influence, but that influence should be reduced to minimum instead of playing after the other's rules.

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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#48 [url]

Jan 24 11 6:36 PM

You mentioned about models accepting gifts from wish lists as a form to supply a member a request for some sort of lingerie, outfit, or toys for a show with them,camgirl.

So how do you feel about models asking for donations to their dreams? The question is not just directed to camgirl alone.

Some have a link to a website where donations can be made to their "fund" or "goals".

I have seen requests for donations to cars, homes, some sort of shop, and other things.

I might add something to wishlists some have, like asking for a camera, jewelry, clothes and other items too.

Is this part of their job description or it is an attempt to get as much out of a person, appealing to a persons sense of compassion and/or friendships?

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jan 24 11 7:08 PM

For those who want to know more about the legality or illegality of different kinds of sex work, you need only look here at this international breakdown of the different national legal regimes regulating sex workers and their clients.
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.p...t=0&#entry16579
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Jan 25 11 8:03 AM

QUOTE (UncleLewis @ January 24, 2011 07:08 pm)
For those who want to know more about the legality or illegality of different kinds of sex work, you need only look here at this international breakdown of the different national legal regimes regulating sex workers and their clients.
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.p...t=0&#entry16579
UL

thanks for the chart. It pretty much sums up what I thought, even though prostitution is legal in a quite few countries its basically made very hard for anyone who wants to do it where it is legal because of the perception of society as a whole.


anyway update on the situation with the cam girl and the member its pretty much been confirmed to be true. It all pretty much hit a head because some anonymous person made a demotivational poster and it spread to models and adminstrators. I mean every detail about the rumor is true so there it is. Onan was right about the situation. I guess this is one of those situations where perception is reality. I still don't know the fall out of the situation besides her not getting the record. this sure was an interesting situation one I had not seen before in the cam business. I really didn't know it would spark a debate about the situation but, I should have known better considering people will scrutinize argue and debate anything and I mean anything.

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Jan 25 11 8:09 AM

I think I will contradict myself )

Trainer you mentioned donations...well as the keyword is donation it should mean I like you or feel for you or I just have extra money and don't know what to do with it..and I just want to give it away..to you..as a donation..that is i don't want anything back. Usually, from what I saw, the members do get something in return as I said before, special attention or special shows or wearing that special something she bought with the money ( if it's not a car or a house or whatever)

I think I am the minority right now:))...it's not the first time and I don't mind.

I have a problem with having sex with members for money ( I don't have a problem with meeting a particular member because you felt something good and you thought you might as weel give it a try although I consider it to be risky). By saying that I make a judgement but it's a personal subjective one and it's not about the girls nor about the members, but about the act itself ( don't blame the person blame the mistake).

This work is pretty fucked up from the begining, thinking of the human aspects, different typologies, different ways of conections..but adding to that the posibility of meeting, adding to that selling your body not only your image ( and no it's not as simple as prostitution) it's just making everything harder than they should be.
What I mean is that when you call a prostitute to meet her and have sex with her ...the cards are on the table. She needs money you need sex. When we talk about videochat it's more complex.

And I mean..yeah it's pretty sad for me in my point of view that we have to sell some parts of us to make money , image or body, but on the other hand I say thank you for having that if nothing else works. I mean we all need to survive somehow. What other people think about us it's their own business and I don't judge them..I have my own prejudicies that I deal with accept some and try to change others.

Anyway, my point is that prostitution is out there for everyone, no matter if it's legal or illegal. prostitutes have their own place and the clients all know where to find them..I just don't want members to come in my room asking for the services that a prostitute has to offer. We sell 2 different things in the end.

As for the girl "incriminated". I seriously think it was a bf or something. Members are too relunctant to be out on the internet in such "delicate" situations. So it might have been just a "smart advertizing".

Pygmalion

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Jan 25 11 11:26 AM

Hmmm.... seems that there are some other threads that are running parallel to some things written in this thread.

Is there any grey areas when you begin to mix so called acts of "prostitution" or is it just black and white.

Whether it is legal or not,or grey,black or white, the definition of prostitution is clear and precise in its description.

As Pygmalion and others are stating videochat is exactly what it says it is. It is a business where people visit to fulfill their sexual fantasies or non sexual fantasies.

People are paying others to have their egos stroked, among other things. The girls and gals are being paid to(as many here have written or even spoken to members on these sites) to please the member and do whatever the members are paying for.

For some models, they have their boundaries and limits, for others, anything goes.

For many models they are totally against meeting with clients. Why?

1) Because for them, this is a job. They do not want nor need their work to become more complicated and harder, especially if they have a bf/gf or are married.

How would any of us like it if constantly someone entered your place of work and different strangers constantly asked" Will you meet me because I bought something here?" or "Will you marry me?" since I bought this item from you or when you provided some service to a customer.

2) Some models use the lure of a meeting or sexual meeting as a means to earn more money. Is it real or false, only the buyer and the model knows. But if it is done as a ruse or deception, then that goes beyond moral and possibly legal laws. If 2 people are agreeing upon sexual acts for money, no matter where it is conducted, then it is prostitution. The morality of it, is viewed differently by all types of people(I will not add any personal opinion of mine on it here). And the legal ramifications or ethical issues arising from it being conducted and/ or created via videochat business is a touchy subject. But if it is occurring within the work of videochat, it could change how members conduct their search for their fantasies to be fulfilled. For the models, that are against it, well, they will become disenfranchised with their work and begin to get frustrated, angry, and just change their perceptions towards men and women. For the models and members who do engage in the acts of prostitution via cam works, they are crossing boundaries and legalities that could bring law enforcement down on all parties, as well as the websites etc. Or it will foster a mindset of these members that escorting and face to face meetings are the norm.

3) For those models and members whom do make a genuine legitimate connection, I see nothing wrong with it, if both agree with it, but remember, mutual respect and maturity is needed because you both are breaking the rules on some sites and you both are crossing the lines and entering reality.

But beware, it is very easy to become emotionally connected, and psychologically addicted to the ease at which this work is conducted. Remember, models use the methods of ego building, concern, and the appearance of being interested in their clients to further their earnings. Many members, get too caught up into having their emotional, sexual and egotistic needs being fulfilled. It creates that "drug high" where day after day, you feel great being in these chat rooms looking at beautiful ladies and feeling wanted. After awhile, some members get lost in the lust or the fantasized need to feel wanted and important. That is the hook to it all people.

It is hard to figure out if people are genuine and sincere when the fantasy being bought is to make the customer feel good, by any means necessary.

So use your brains before you dive head first into a relationship that could or could not be real or someones fantasy.

Personally, I have experienced both ends of the connection with models. I have been asked to visit some models. I have been asked for money, genuinely and falsely. I do not think this work is the proper environment to make some type of romantic connection(I learned the hard way about that). I do not think these web sites are or should be for making some sort of friendship nor romantic connection.

Remember, this is a business guys and gals.... not a dating site or marriage site. For many models once you are there and /or once you pay for services rendered, you have a mark on your nickname there. For many models once your there, you are not worthy of any type of personal connection with the model, and/or you may/or may not be viewed as normal.

I believe you can make friends with anyone, as long as you both are mature, respectful, understanding of each others motivations. Listen to each other, do not just hear what is being said to each other as well. I have made more respectful meaningful friendships when I met these woman not in their work environments. It just is more genuine and their are no "with or without benefit" crap to figure out or toy with. Remember, some of these women are there to get to someplace else and really are normal decent people away from this world of fantasy.

For all the others who cross the line, that is their decisions and they have to live with the consequences. Good or bad. But do not say you were not warned on CGN!!

Good luck camgirlnotes/bq.gif

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jan 25 11 3:25 PM

P and T,

I couldn't have possibly stated how I see it, better than you two have articulated it above, with all the nuance and variations on the subject. If I tried, this post would simply twice as larger as yours, because it would be cutting and requoting everything you just said. LOL

camgirlnotes/bq.gif

"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Jan 25 11 3:45 PM

Here are some of the relevant rules from the famous models manual from f4f that we posted here 5 years ago..In some respects, it's out-dated but clearly the model desscribed in the thread had crossed all sorts of red-lines according to industry standards..
UL

QUOTE (UncleLewis @ April 28, 2006 05:41 pm)

Model Manual from XXXX4XXXX

1 Introduction

Welcome to the enterprising world of XXX4XXX  Being a model on XXX4XXX is a great privilege.  It gives you a chance to gain worldwide exposure with the possibility of achieving fame and recognition. 

This Guide is a description of the type of performance and behavior we need to see from all models that appear on XXX4XXX.  However, you are not our employee, so you are ultimately responsible to your employer and your employer will explain the duties and obligations of your employment.  This Guide is meant to be helpful to you and share the experience we have developed over time operating XXXXX4XXX and observing how other models have been successful in doing their jobs. In the last analysis your employer determines and is responsible for setting the policies and standards relating to your employment.

3.2  Dos And Donts In The 1on1 Show

The following is a list of behavior or activities, which are NOT permitted while a model appears in a 1on1 show.

~ No eating!  Except on request
~ No drinking!  Except on request
~ No smoking!  Except on request
~  No sunglasses.  Except on request
~ No begging for tips!
~  No music or voices in the background
~  No spitting saliva from mouth to mouth
~ No statements, comments or behavior that would create the impression that you are a minor, or under-aged
~  No using food to penetrate yourself
~  No urinating or defecating of any kind
~  No fisting (no more than 4 fingers may be inserted at one time)
~  No wax dripping
~  No one sharing the same dildo
~  No menstruation topics
~  No forced sex or rape themes.
~ No insertion of foreign objects such as bottles, candles etc
~ Do not insult users or use derogatory remarks to describe them. 

If someone else is seen in your models room when they are broadcasting in open or private, they can be immediately terminated and your studio can suffer a large penalty.  THERE IS NO ROOM FOR ERROR HERE, PLEASE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
3.4 VIOLATION THAT WILL IMMEDIATELY BAN YOU FROM ALL XXXX4XXXX STUDIOS WORLD WIDE
   
It is totally unacceptable for performers to beg, lie and cheat our customers into sending you money.

Some performers in the past have promised a relationship if customers send money via wires/western union/checks etc.  Some performers have simply lied and told customers that they have no money, or that they are sick or even worse... dying of cancer.

Any performer who is found receiving, asking, begging, lying for money or accepting gifts or money outside of the XXX4XXX live video chat, will be terminated and banned from ALL XXX4XXX studios world wide.

We have worked very hard to build a trustful relationship with our customers. They email us and tell us everything. If you break this rule, our customers will inform us and then you will be out of a job.

[color=red]Our staff will be acting like private customers from time to time and testing performers to see if they are tempted to accept money outside of XXXX4XXX.

If you participate in this type of activity, I will view it as though you are stealing from our company, you are degrading our business and ruining the trust of our loyal customers...

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Jan 25 11 8:02 PM

QUOTE (UncleLewis @ January 25, 2011 03:45 pm)
  Here are some of the relevant rules from the famous models manual from f4f that we posted here 5 years ago..In some respects, it's out-dated but clearly the model desscribed in the thread had crossed all sorts of red-lines according to industry standards..
UL
QUOTE (UncleLewis @ April 28, 2006 05:41 pm)

Model Manual from XXXX4XXXX

1 Introduction

Welcome to the enterprising world of XXX4XXX Being a model on XXX4XXX is a great privilege. It gives you a chance to gain worldwide exposure with the possibility of achieving fame and recognition.

This Guide is a description of the type of performance and behavior we need to see from all models that appear on XXX4XXX. However, you are not our employee, so you are ultimately responsible to your employer and your employer will explain the duties and obligations of your employment. This Guide is meant to be helpful to you and share the experience we have developed over time operating XXXXX4XXX and observing how other models have been successful in doing their jobs. In the last analysis your employer determines and is responsible for setting the policies and standards relating to your employment.

3.2 Dos And Donts In The 1on1 Show

The following is a list of behavior or activities, which are NOT permitted while a model appears in a 1on1 show.

~ No eating! Except on request
~ No drinking! Except on request
~ No smoking! Except on request
~ No sunglasses. Except on request
~ No begging for tips!
~ No music or voices in the background
~ No spitting saliva from mouth to mouth
~ No statements, comments or behavior that would create the impression that you are a minor, or under-aged
~ No using food to penetrate yourself
~ No urinating or defecating of any kind
~ No fisting (no more than 4 fingers may be inserted at one time)
~ No wax dripping
~ No one sharing the same dildo
~ No menstruation topics
~ No forced sex or rape themes.
~ No insertion of foreign objects such as bottles, candles etc
~ Do not insult users or use derogatory remarks to describe them.

If someone else is seen in your models room when they are broadcasting in open or private, they can be immediately terminated and your studio can suffer a large penalty. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR ERROR HERE, PLEASE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
3.4 VIOLATION THAT WILL IMMEDIATELY BAN YOU FROM ALL XXXX4XXXX STUDIOS WORLD WIDE

It is totally unacceptable for performers to beg, lie and cheat our customers into sending you money.

Some performers in the past have promised a relationship if customers send money via wires/western union/checks etc. Some performers have simply lied and told customers that they have no money, or that they are sick or even worse... dying of cancer.

Any performer who is found receiving, asking, begging, lying for money or accepting gifts or money outside of the XXX4XXX live video chat, will be terminated and banned from ALL XXX4XXX studios world wide.

We have worked very hard to build a trustful relationship with our customers. They email us and tell us everything. If you break this rule, our customers will inform us and then you will be out of a job.

[color=red]Our staff will be acting like private customers from time to time and testing performers to see if they are tempted to accept money outside of XXXX4XXX.

If you participate in this type of activity, I will view it as though you are stealing from our company, you are degrading our business and ruining the trust of our loyal customers...

that thing is outdated and it appears times have changed especially when a site has to compete with mfc for customers.

It appears I was completely right in my first assumption the site will be doing nothing in response even though they know everything is true. the game has truly changed and like i said before not only is a model up for sale online but, real life as well I guess this is the consequences of competeing in todays cam world have to go as low as possible


heres an interesting response from an admin of the site

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The forums have a trend of being about praise, concerns, positive discussions, etc. Let's not get everyone down so early in the week and spread any negativity! After all, aren't we all looking to jump start a good week?! Let's do so by congratulating the lovely Marilyn Martini and move along to a more sunny current event topic, for instance- Valentine's Day approaches! Do you know what you're doing, or what your favorites have in store for you?? I know I have to go do some shopping myself, nothing screams Valentine better than some lingerie!


sad as it maybe also in an ironic twist the model in question said this late last year in a response to changes on the site to bring in more traffic and money


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"this place turned into a virtual whore house today. Somebody try to sugar coat that for me...models negotiating 'show start prices'... auctioning off body parts for pennies on the dollar"...


I think I figured out what upset me about the situation its that I at least thought a few sites had a little bit of dignity left and wouldn't stoop that low but, no I was wrong the cam world is turning into a window shop for borderline prostitution.

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Jan 25 11 8:39 PM

QUOTE (harryMcdowell @ January 25, 2011 03:02 pm)
anyway update on the situation with the cam girl and the member its pretty much been confirmed to be true. It all pretty much hit a head because some anonymous person made a demotivational poster and it spread to models and adminstrators. I mean every detail about the rumor is true so there it is. Onan was right about the situation. I guess this is one of those situations where perception is reality. I still don't know the fall out of the situation besides her not getting the record. this sure was an interesting situation one I had not seen before in the cam business. I really didn't know it would spark a debate about the situation but, I should have known better considering people will scrutinize argue and debate anything and I mean anything.

Hey Harry,

Couple questions... humor me. I've stayed out of the thread because I thought maybe the details would clear themselves up but since they haven't can you humor me by answering a few questions? If you know yourself.

1. What "record" was this model trying to break?

2. WHAT exactly has been confirmed, and how? "Pretty much" to me doesn't relate to "every detail about the rumor is true". Rumors are cool like that. They can take on a life of their own with just a little push.

3. What exactly was the rumor? That the model had sex with a member on cam for money?

4. Is that model still camming, or is she gone from the site?

I guess I'm finding it hard to believe that what people saw and are talking about was a member. Particularly because the act was broadcast. I don't know jack about it though, and that's why I'm asking. It seems more likely that that's how it has been perceived. And at least in my mind, members thinking that if they throw enough money at a camgirl, they might eventually be able to have sex with her in real, would hypothetically increase what they spend at the site.

Don't know man. Something just seems a little sideways in this one.

Thanks,

Breeze

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Jan 25 11 9:25 PM

QUOTE (CoolBreeze @ January 25, 2011 08:39 pm)

Hey Harry,

Couple questions... humor me.  I've stayed out of the thread because I thought maybe the details would clear themselves up but since they haven't can you humor me by answering a few questions?  If you know yourself.

ok since you want a detailed break down.

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1. What "record" was this model trying to break?


member of site talks about breaking longest private record which is over 24 hours my bad was.

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2. WHAT exactly has been confirmed, and how? "Pretty much" to me doesn't relate to "every detail about the rumor is true". Rumors are cool like that. They can take on a life of their own with just a little push.


early last week she posted a cryptic message on her bio about leaving for awhile and she said she don't know when she would be back. fast forward to friday she shows back up on cam but, in a different place than she usually is in and she posts that this is a special request show as the topic. turns out she shes going for the longest private record.

So apparently someone sees that she has someone in the room with her and shes talking to that person and completely ignoring whats going on on the cam. I mean no communication is happening at all with the member who supposedly took her private no phone calls no typing nothing. the guy shows up on cam and lets just say we have a shes out of my league situation. Later that night they end up doing their business than going to bed. flash forward to saturday she peaks into the room to talk to the people in the room because of all of the discussion going on guys start kissing up to her than someone flat out asks her is she doing a member her response talk is cheap. Than she goes back and they do their business again and than she ends the private after 25 hours or so.
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3. What exactly was the rumor? That the model had sex with a member on cam for money?



that was the rumor yes

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4. Is that model still camming, or is she gone from the site?



apparently yes but, shes taking a break per her own words I guess and it doesn't look like the sites gonna do anything so shes gonna be welcomed back if she does comeback.




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I guess I'm finding it hard to believe that what people saw and are talking about was a member. Particularly because the act was broadcast. I don't know jack about it though, and that's why I'm asking. It seems more likely that that's how it has been perceived. And at least in my mind, members thinking that if they throw enough money at a camgirl, they might eventually be able to have sex with her in real, would hypothetically increase what they spend at the site.

Don't know man. Something just seems a little sideways in this one.

Thanks,

Breeze



it happened its all out in the open despite how hard the site wants to cover it up and pretend it didn't happen. If you want I can show you the poster of the pics from the private show someone made but, I have to no its cool to post it. I don't wanna break any rules like with the email thing.

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Jan 25 11 10:08 PM

Thanks for laying it out Harry. Sounds like quite the private. And I believe there is a poster, with that guy, and that it was the same guy in the private. And that the private went on forever with no obvious communication going on. I'm not a member of the site, and I haven't heard about it from anywhere but here, so like I said, I don't know jack about it. But the whole thing still sounds more like just a rumor to me.

Tell you what though, there are guys who will drop that kind of money on girl just to let them go do what they want for a while. Not just camgirls either. Who the hell knows what they get out of it. But the scenario as you painted it still sounds sideways to me.

And if I were the camgirl on the inside of it, my response might be exactly the same. "Talk is cheap." Basically, "I don't give a flying fuck what you guys think, so go on and worry over it for weeks while I have a nice long break." It's a power trip.

Anyway.. thanks for sharing. If she is fucking members on cam, I can see how it really would get that member community in a lather.

Breeze

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Jan 25 11 11:56 PM

it still couldve been a set up. Just because you feel the guy was out of her league doesnt mean he wasnt her actual real life bf or friend. It couldve just been a really good marketing ploy. Lets say it cost the man 1000 dollars for a 35 hr prvt (im just making numbers up cause i dont know how much her prvts cost and a thousand is an easy number to work with) out of that thousand she gets back 40% roughly so thats 400 back- costing them 600 bucks for the 'record' but she also set another record for the most tokens in one session. Over the cost of 25 hours I have no doubt that she earned at least 600 dollars in voyeur money, most likely more. So now she has both records, what ever profit she made, plus all this publicity and attetntion which is no doubt raising her status and making her more appealing to members.

I dont see why the site would have a problem with it- her making money = them making money.

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Jan 26 11 1:16 AM

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I mean every detail about the rumor is true so there it is. Onan was right about the situation. I guess this is one of those situations where perception is reality.


I think you have too much time if you are up to listen rumors and care about and gossip between each other about Y model, more than the females from spanish soup operas. It's not very masculine either. Really or is it?

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this sure was an interesting situation


If this is interesting for you, that explains a lot.

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I had not seen before in the cam business


Even if the "anonymous are right", if you've never ever seen a woman having payed sex BEFORE the internet even appeared, in a country where prostitution is illegal, you sure stayed too much time in the house

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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