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Feb 13 11 9:28 PM

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I know I have been gone from here for quite awhile but this needs to be said, especially on cgn.

I`ve been watching for awhile a story unfold between a member and a model and I cant stop wondering why some of members are so blind and how can they remain so blind. Even if someone is trying to open their eyes, they continue to believe in lies. Now who`s fault is it? The Model,who`s lying in order to get some material things or the member who believe in lies?I tend to believe that both can be guilty.

As I said I've been watching one such "case" for quite awhile. This model is scamming this member with no mercy. It wasn't about a lot of money in this case, but I can imagine
that others who have been scammed for thousands of dollars.

I wonder how many are here on CGN and how many of them "woke up." Or how many are still living a lie. This guy that I m telling u about is not to receptive to signals that are showing him the truth. He used to send money to this model: "money that she needed for college; for a new dress; for a new camera; for a new computer or to repair her car."

I don't know how money was actually used for what she said. I guess the monies were used to go in vacation with her real bf. What he asked in exchange was her to spend some time with him outside of her work sites, something that she didn't do. I know he didn't ask too much and I've been there listening to him complaining that when he asks for 1-2 hours in a week she was getting angry. Sometimes he asked for a show outside of her work site.

He is a lonely person and he fell in love with this model. I felt sorry for him for a while but now I find him guilty too for his situation. He thought that he can buy her friendship or love. These are not things that can be bought. 90% of models will tell members that they like them or that they love them to get some more money on sites where they work or outside of the site.

Don't get me wrong. Online friendship and love can exist but what some of u dont know is that u have to keep ur eyes open and be careful at what u chose. Look for signals that can show u if u are being scammed or if the girl is sincere. That model kept being in bad mood with him until he left her alone. His description about her would be "Selfish" but what I know is that if she asks, he will be back to her in a second. Is that love or stupidity? Blindness? He feels like his world ended now without being with her. But was he ever been with her? Yes,but only in his mind. Bcs the girl was not with him. Doesn't he realize it? I don't think so.

Why he feels like his world ended? Bcs she s not there to scam him more? Do u think they both were at fault? Does it make anything or anyone feel completely trustful of others both models and members? I still believe that on these sites where we work can be some good men who don't deserve to be used. I also think that this guy has a good heart but he is blinded by a fake love. And I m sure that there are others. Maybe some are reading this on CGN. Maybe this will make u wonder if ur eyes are properly opened. I dont believe that all models are scammers or that all members deserve to be scammed. It is just another example of the reality of this kind of job.
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Feb 13 11 9:55 PM

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I still believe that on these sites where we work can be some good men that don't deserve to be used.


If he keeps coming back to be scammed, maybe he has a masochistic streak and enjoys being used. And that's why even when he's told the truth he apparently denies it, but maybe he doesn't want to see it, because he likes the situation. I know it's hard for stable minded people to see it this way, and viewed from outside it's a situation of abuser - abused. But that kind of relationship is very complicated and weird, and there have been many cases in which the abused have fallen in love with the abuser. Hard to tell in that case, if they deserved it or not, and if it's not something they actually want and are looking for. Why would a guy fall in love with a model on the Internet? Isn't that because he let that happen and maybe even wanted that feeling, knowing that probably he'll never be with that person? ( a preference for platonic/distance relationship, and maybe coldness from her side) Or could be also that fascination some people have with their favorite stars where they beg for attention and are willing to do anything for that.

Of course, from the perspective of fairness is not okay for a model to abuse of that weakness and from another point of view every bit of money that is not obtained fairly, is lost in one way or another, sooner or later.

I'm also sure some models are good persons that don't deserve to be told by some clients they are worthless and that they should die, and get charged back afterwards. In a system like videochat, it happens many times like in a banking system where the good and trust worth persons pay more (that risk commission added on in case others don't pay) in order to cover the losses made by people who don't pay their credit bills. It's not fair from the human point of view, but it's just banking.

On the other side there are members who send some money as gift and say they don't want anything in exchange, then they want more and more attention because they paid, and even ask for real life sex meetings ( aa, not because they paid, but because they are "friends" now) And the outside shows and time invested is more than if they would just have come in private. If the model is a good person, the members many times exploit that in order to get cheap shows and attention.

That's why I think models shouldn't receive money outside of the private chat. She can lower the price if he's a friend, or bring him to where she can get 80% and is paid by minute. That's the most okay solution.

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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Feb 13 11 10:32 PM

I know him for a while and i don't believe that what he was looking for was to be abused. I know what u mean, and I've met that type of costumer, those who pay to be used. He is not the first and not the last customer who fell in love with a model, also is not the first and not the last who was and will be used;)
After talking with him for long time,Ii know that he never expected this to become real but also he didn't expect to see her selfish side.

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I'm also sure some models are good persons that don't deserve to be told by some clients they are worthless and that they should die, and get charge back after.


I agree.Thats the part where models are used and some of them dont deserve it. But it's a risk that we assume. I'm not sure if a member is conscious when he signs up on an adult site that he might end up by being used.

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On the other side there are members who send some money as gift and say they dont want anything instead, then they want more and more attention because they payed, even ask for real life sex meetings ( aa, not because they payed, but because they are"friends" now) and the outside shows and time invested is more than if they would come in private. if the model is a good person, the members many times speculate that in order to get cheap shows and attention


Yes, you're right. I'm having a hard time with members who expect to meet me in real life and I don't like this but isn't this happening because of all the models who accepted to meet members for real? And not all are asking this because "they are friends now." They ask just because they don't make the distinction between fantasy and real.

Some of them expect to have attention even if they didn't sent money or gifts outside of site where the model works. They just had her in pvt and then want to become part of her life. But that's another part of this work. And it has so many parts...It would be easier for both models and members if feelings weren't be involved. A members signs up on an adult site to get an adult show,a model works there to provide an adult show,members should not fall in love and models should not let themselves believe that it's more than it is.

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Feb 13 11 10:41 PM

I think there are guys who cant imagine another kind of relationship, other then paying the girl in money or gifts, because thats how they understand the friendship, love, everything. Maybe they met in real life the specific kind of women too, and not only because of some models who escort. It's a general view, a low one, of course - it's how they understand the seduction game.
I met that kind way before working on cam, and I've seen the general attitude of the typical man who buys attention/love/sex, or at least he's trying to. In real life is much more disgusting ,for a person who doesnt fit in that kind of deal, than on cam.
As a note, they try that not with sex workers,strippers but normal women, and they want to buy the attention and affection even of relatives, wife etc

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mebers should not fall in love and models should not let them believe more than it is


I agree. It's much safer for everybody that way. Personally I dont like the sweet talk - I prefer the sensual talk. when the guys come into my room with 'i love you, do you love me?" it's almost a zen moment for me every time and i show my mean side who likes to ruin the love fantasy. But besides that, I find completely inadequate. I mean there are relationships and relationships - like if you have a sexual adventure u dont start with " i love you, let's get married and run together, and make 3 kids", even if you like the person, it would just make u seem wrong when the things are clear and split. Plus it seems the person saying that, has his own agenda already about your life, without even asking if u agree or not, if u want to get involved or not. I find that pretty self centered too, even in a crazy way. Like the model all her life just sit in front of pc for HIM, the in love guy, to take her. I mean how far can the fantasy or rather the self importance can go to really think that.
But yeah, im sure there are models who encourage that and they shouldnt.

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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Feb 16 11 4:09 AM

This is for all models and members who read this and with a few questions as usual.

I read through both camgirls and Andra's statements and opinions but now I have question regarding the separation or "attempted distancing" or "mutual respect" boundaries issues that arose in other threads here.

As we all know it was Valentines day a few days ago. Many websites hold contests to entice members into winning the hearts of models.It is not just for Valentines day either. They send emails marketing this to the members. On MFC, many models use Valentine's day as a marketing tool to encourage the fantasy of love and romance. Many models use their birthdays and will also say things in a certain way to entice, encourage or to have a regular become"hooked" to them to gain more potential privates or earnings. I have seen some use tragic personal occurrences, or bad things in their real lives as a way to appeal to the soft spots of members. I have seen models using donation(chip in) websites, wishlists to bring a more emotional and needed money to themselves and their goals.

They hold raffles, and contests, to have real time meetings in person. Many hold contests to win romantic dinners, dates or love dates on skype and other chat programs.

With this barrage of entrepreneurship and marketing towards a member into some type of emotional bond or connection, How can you lay the blame solely upon one participant?

I have witnessed models simply playing to the weaknesses of many members to keep them hooked.

I watched two premiums members argue about a models honesty and integrity, where one member said "This is not just a porn site, it is a social gathering and community of friends".

I mean in the past I have had discussions with other models on CGN, where they have said the complete opposite to what this member perceives the purpose of the entertainment to be. I am sorry to say, but all too often, it is quite a lesson in hypocrisy to say the least.

So more questions and conflicts arise.

Do you feel this should be done and promoted? Like Andra states here, that it is the fault of both parties involved. Could one also say it is the faults of the studios and the websites as well? I mean reading through the instruction manuals that are provided by studios and others to "hook" a member,wouldn't a logical person see the conflict?

Camgirl, believes it is psychological and abnormal behavior and that the fault lies within the members. But if it was solely the fault of the member and their weaknesses(to put it lightly) then without an approving partner(a model,a studio manual, etc etc) to illicit and entice the model to continue "baiting" the "fish"(member), how can their be any mutual respect as some models have spoken about here?

Are we looking the other way for the sake of one's own goals in life?

Any comments? Suggestions? Or is this the way it is and will be? Will this increase and become or is the approved method of work in this industry?

One would think, that any logical thinking member reading this post by Andra, and their honest thoughts, that they would have second thoughts about entering into a fantasy they might spend countless hours, and money at and on.

Just my 2 cents as usual. camgirlnotes/bq.gif

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

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Feb 16 11 2:08 PM

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I watched two premiums members argue about a models honesty and integrity, where one member said "This is not just a porn site, it is a social gathering and community of friends".


I think some see only what they want to see whatever models do. I so hope they truly figure the Valentine's contest is only for game and make the lonely guys feel not so lonely, without being a relationship involved, being it online only.

But some just live in their own world. When I tell them I'm there for shows and they say they want to date/marry and tell me " I know you love me" .. duh, it's so inopportune and even sounds crazy.

I've seen models who have chipin for donations and are completely detached by the guys who pay there, read some tweets about it like " if you can and want yo help me, it's your choice, if no, not problem". Probably there are models who dont want to spend enough time online to do shows and it's their way to earn money (which I dont approve, but it is what it is). Many models complaining about the cam work job start to feel entitled to ask for donations, while actually in an adult field should bring to worker more financial freedom and not be a place to beg and be dependent of donations.

What's sure is that the guys who come in a porn site looking for romance, they have a problem by default. They might be good guys, but they do have a problem and I don't think can be ever solved, not this way, at least it's not in cam work job description. There are also guys who fall in love of strippers, or even the Don Quijote kind who love hookers. Try to show them the reality and they'll riposte.

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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Feb 17 11 1:24 AM

So Camgirl and maybe other models, I pose these few questions now based upon your replies, including Andra's earlier.

So then if you do not want to have these members feel, believe, think, or even fantasize that there is a possibility of any real romance or face to face meeting, then in what form or active participation would you wish that most members would act when visiting your chats?

Do you just want people who are cordial and just want to spank their monkeys and be done with it?

Do you want them to just treat you as an object of desire and lust, and forego all chit chat and nonsensical romantic dreams?

Do you even think it is possible? Maybe wanking robots?

Should anyone care much about you and just treat you as objects?

That all you gals are just sex toys for their enjoyment?

Come to think about it, isn't that a sort of desensitization of the very act of orgasmic enjoyment, and the excitement of what brings stimulation to the areas of the brain that make the acts you all are doing to become desensitized as well.

Then eliminate free chat and just perform the service provided, like those old style theater booths where men would have a sliding door and is only open for the price of the thrill and view.

Do you even think that would keep members returning for many of the working models?

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Feb 17 11 2:22 AM

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Do you just want people who are cordial and just want to spank their monkeys and be done with it?


One doesn't exclude another. I rather like polite people, cordial is too much said.

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Do you want them to just treat you as an object of desire and lust, and forego all chit chat and nonsensical romantic dreams?


I enjoy being an object of desire and I don't want to be something else. I find it creepy when it's more, as I don't want relationship with those people. Chit chat can be about general fantasies, not necessary romantic ones. I don't see it as romantic if i ask people what position hey like, how would they like it etc..

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Maybe wanking robots?


Most are wanking robots, and those who want to chit chat do it on whatever other subjects, from their problem with wife, children to football. I think the romantic fantasies are given too much importance too. In the last year I've never had that kind of member, maybe because I avoid them, I dont know. One regular told me only that I am the type of girl he can fall in love with, if he sees her in real life but he knows it's impossible, and that was about all there was on that romance subject.

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Should anyone care much about you and just treat you as objects?


People from my real life and friends do care about me. I hope I'll never be so desperate to search for appreciation and care about me as person, from the guys who visit me on cam.

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That all you gals are just sex toys for their enjoyment?


it's depends how u see it. If i do only what i like to do, and even the guy would want me to do something he wants, but I pull the time till he spends all the money and even be happy, without even do that thing, it's debatable who's the toy here. In any way, I don't see it that way. 'Im providing a service. I don't think if I had a job in public relations or any service to others I'd be a toy (not sex toy, but still a toy). Probably there are people who feel they are played in anything they do. I just don't have that trauma of being played or being used like a toy. Some might have it though. In that case, especially if they have low self confidence and esteem, they shouldn't work in any adult field.

It's not a desensitization, on the contrary. Thinking about sexual excitement few hours/day is not only doing it like a robot. If the model doesn't transmit that mood the client wont stay, and to can transmit that, she has to feel it, being it not only physically but mentally. Nobody can transmit something that they dont feel. Personally I feel it on the contrary, I'm more sexual in one way than before I started working on cam, and other models noticed that too, even that their sex life improved if they had a healthy relationship.

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Do you even think that would keep members returning for many of the working models?


I dont "think", I know. 3 of the sites I work I use them without free chat, and are very busy.

You cannot be part of the crowd and achieve your dream at the same time.

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Feb 17 11 3:03 AM

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Do you want them to just treat you as an object of desire and lust, and forego all chit chat and nonsensical romantic dreams?

But why do they have to bring romance into this? On a porn site? Why do they HAVE to look for love there? Yesterday I had a member in my chat who told me :"Is so hard to find love" and my answer came:"Excuse me, are u looking for love HERE?" He said "yes." I asked why and he said that he likes Romanian girls and how since a lot of them are in this industry, he's looking to meet one on an adult site.

Personally, I don't like when they fall in love bcs i cant respond to their feelings so in a moment they will go anyway. I dont like when they want to meet me bcs i wont do it. I prefer to be there to provide them with shows and not to create love-stories. I chat too but when it comes about romance I become cold with them. It can be a nice chatting without involving romance. Some will treat us as objects. Some will be able to chat in a respectful manner. When registering as model on a site u know why u are there:t o entertain customers with your adult shows. And when they come on a site they should know that love is not to be found there.

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Feb 17 11 3:19 AM

So aren't you objectifying yourself then with this statement below? Is it a self esteem thing for you personally? Does it increases your feeling of being desirable. It that also how you are in real life too?(sorry if I am getting too personal now) Does it give you a sense of control and power over others as well?

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I enjoy being an object of desire and I dont want to be something else. I find it creepy when it's more, as I dont want relationship with those people. chit chat can be ab general fantasies, not necessary romantic. I dont see it as romantic if i ask ppl what position do they like, how would they like it etc..



So this does not sound very respectful regarding the members below:

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Most are wanking robots


At the same time aren't you also acting as a robotic wanker too to the paying wanking robots then?



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I hope ill never be so desperate to search appreciation and care about me as person, from the guys who visit me on cam.


Same as previous conclusion, not much respect for those who visit your chat.I have read the same view from other models elsewhere regarding the people that visit them.Even others here have said as much when explaining their opinions regarding the work and industry pertaining to the members that arrive there and play there,



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it's debatable who's the toy here.


So basically you view your clients as your toy?



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It's not a desensiblisation, contrary. Thinking about sexual excitement few hours/day is not only doing it robotic, if the model doesnt transmit that mood the client wont stay, and to can transmit that, she has to feel it, being it not phisically but mentally. Nobody cant transmit something that doesnt feel. Personally i feel it contrary, I'm more sexual in an way, than before working on cam, and other models noticed that too, even the sex life improved if they had a healthy relationship.


First you state that they are wanking robots and do not want anything human nor emotional human interactions to occur other than the fantasy of the visual stimulation to get the customers money, yet you consider it to not be desensitizing.

Then why have cam2cam as a feature these days if it all is mental. I surmise you dislike cam2cam then? What sex life if this is just a job without any interests towards the customers? Why would it help your personal life if you are attempting to separate the two? One would believe that it is a turn on for you to admit that last part.

So in essence you are manipulating your brain patterns to get excited from what I can fathom from the statement above. So if everyone is treated as an object and no real emotional human exchanging that makes us all human to begin with, then that would be the desensitizing aspect of the job. Or am I misunderstanding what you are writing here.

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I dont "think", I know. 3 of the sites I work I use them without free chat, and are very busy.


So they enter the paid chat and get down to business, no time for chit chat of anything remotely including concern or care?


So then what do you attribute thousands of other models than you in taking a different approach?

Thanks for your honest replies.


(I feel like an inquisitive investigative reporter now)

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Feb 17 11 3:43 AM

Trainer,

Forgive me, I haven't read the last 4 or 5 posts or replies. But I am going to reply to you somewhat blind, because I think that what I am writing addresses an underlyinng point I think you try to make often. (I can come back and quote you and answer those quotes, if I need to make my point clearer.

I think your concern about desensitization if misplaced. Actually there is a different distinction, for majority of models who are there for an income and would prefer a different job in a better economy. It is far simpler, and indeed healthier, to have customers that are there to wank, regardless of the degree of chat whether courteous or rude. Even if they find chatting with a guest who is there to wank distasteful, from their point of view they can create a distance from the interaction, even be amused by it, or consider it entertaining. Really, like watching a movie, and keeping themselves who and how they are unaffected. That distance and separation is healthy and uninvolved, and there is no lingering entanglement. So there is less, if any, bleed over from work into their real life. Of course I am speaking for those employed as models who dont get off on the work.

I think you are talking about disassociation or numbing. Those are byproducts of different things such as compromising of ones standards, conflict of conscious, or abusive intrusion. Disassociation or numbing are protective survival adaptations. But they are a byproduct of a higher level of environmental stress then you are describing. Ironically, the holistic relationship you are alluding to as the ideal interaction, is more likely to create the kind of stresses that would generate numbing as a protective response.

I have a lot more to say about this, but not the time to write it now. I may just make this point in a series of posts, if this thread continues. But suffice it to say that I have been told and educated to the fact that the simpler a model can make the job, the less effect it has on her.

"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Feb 17 11 4:05 AM

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Thinking about sexual excitement few hours/day is not only doing it robotic, if the model doesnt transmit that mood the client wont stay, and to can transmit that, she has to feel it, being it not phisically but mentally. Nobody cant transmit something that doesnt feel.


Actually, from what has been shared with me, it seems that 90% of what is going on is on the customers end, in their big head and the other. A model can just be a good listener (and in a way an audience), chat enough to be engaging or playful, and have sucess at this job. So it seems that one doesn't really have to get into it for their own enjoyment, to be able to tranmit it. I don't even think transmitting it is nescessary, because the guy is mostly projecting in any case.

If a model enjoys it.... salute! If not, and treats this like an acting job....put on make up....put on costume.....put on persona......lights, camera, action!......end of the shift, turn off camera, straighten out room/stage, take off makeup, change into own clothes, go home and don't give a thought to the job....then that is fine too. To each her own.

"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Feb 17 11 4:08 AM

Of course I understand that point which you speak of here.

The thread was about the misinterpretation by members, or in this case a member specifically but not alone in the result.

If one can say it is a protective instinct for the models, then are the members fodder who get caught up in the "game" of it all.

To go further, the interaction is not even based upon the work in this one example described by Andra here. It is not an isolated case either.

The work environment was the place of meeting, the conduit that brought two individuals together. Which then progressed away from the work. Where one or the participants could be using some type of real relationship between the two of them.

Once removed from what you describe above, it becomes a moot point. I agree with what you are saying.

But the disassociation by the model does not mean that a member or members are professional nor possibly experienced to view it in the same manner as a model would.

As one model once said(I believe she said it pertaining to both the work and the real relationships that may occur away from their safety net and self survival mode in this work) "This work strips the humanity from a person".)

Meaning that the models have to do exactly what you described above and may create issues away from their work as well personally.

Now the point is why would any human being wish to play that game with another human being?

I will add that if my memory is correct, that this very topic you bring up has been discussed here years ago.

One can say that we are sacrificing all that is human or what is considered being humane for the sake of material things.

Now why would people want to do that to another human being, because that scenario is played out daily in our lives all too often on this planet. Take a look at its current state of affairs and return and tell me how it makes things better objectively except for the individuals who can play the system well.

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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Feb 17 11 4:33 AM

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Actually, from what has been shared with me, it seems that 90% of what is going on is on the customers end, in their big head and the other. A model can just be a good listener (and in a way an audience), chat enough to be engaging or playful, and have sucess at this job. So it seems that one doesn't really have to get into it for their own enjoyment, to be able to tranmit it. I don't even think transmitting it is nescessary, because the guy is mostly projecting in any case.


And if I may ask, if it is the majority of the members, how the hell do they end up staying there in chat rooms for hours upon hours at a time?

There must be something other than their projecting that keeps them there if Andra, and camgirl statements towards those projections are dealt with quickly.
If that was the case the majority of these members would get fed up and frustrated but apparently that is not the case.

If you personally are going by just one acquaintance that you speak with then why do I read or am told by many models that these members keep harassing them to "connect"?

There must be someone that is creating the increasing occurrences that Andra and other models speak of. Someone is promoting that thought or those ideas. Is it societal or is it something more that occurs within these chat rooms?

I observe it often, and I am just observing it. In fact how the hell did I get caught up with a cam girl personally as you read throughout here on CGN? I never projected anything that you mentioned in the least.

And how did you gain a personal relationship with a camgirl then or for that matter many others that arrive here on this forum?

Just keeping things honest here. camgirlnotes/bq.gif

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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#14 [url]

Feb 17 11 4:40 AM

Trainer,

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One can say that we are sacrificing all that is human or what is considered being humane for the sake of material things.


Well that is the crux of the bigger issue, and as you say it is more of what the world seems to be these days. I've observed and been convinced for decades that there is a motivation to commodify and therefore extract profit from every aspect of humanity and in the process turn us all into nothing but consumers and providers. Setting up the structures and being the broker of the interactions gives those who own the pipelines expanding revenues of mass markets.

Look at what was simple pornography. It was basically an individual indulgence in purient activity. For the consumer, simple and "guilty pleasure". The supply line was simpler. The providing participants were a self-selected smaller group of individuals. The cam business combined with economic disruptions, has swept up a volume of people that would never have considered this work. Hence all of these other issues and conflicts.

"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Feb 17 11 4:46 AM

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But why they have to bring romance in this?On a porn site?Why they HAVE to look for love there?Yesterday I had a member in my chat who told me :"Is so hard to find love" and my answer came:"Excuse me,are u looking for love HERE?" He said "yes",I asked why and he said that he likes romanian girls and how a lot of them are in this industry he s looking to meet one on an adult site.


I can try to answer this Andra. I met my bf on a cam site, and he has said he was there looking for 'love'. At first I didn't understand it either. He's a decent guy, had no problem getting dates irl, doesn't have some weird fetish, and is the furthest thing from naive..

Some of it is how the sites are marketed- they underhandedly promote finding love, or that one special girl. they adevertize come talk to beautiful girls who are eagerly waiting to chat with you.

And like everyone else in the world my guy was looking for someone he found attractive. The sites are set up like dating site, narrow down your search by age and physical attributes, read profiles and see pictures of the person, and yeah for a fee you can chat with them. He wanted an attractive woman who was sexually confident.

I agree its not the best way to find someone. But it does happen.

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Feb 17 11 4:50 AM

So is that how it is supposed to be?

You do not sound too happy about it.

So we are back to square one, the lesser of two evils.

Notice the word evil....Status quo... same old same old.. thing.

The bigger picture is creating this, yet we really do not care but for ourselves then.

I watched one model tonight employ and encourage what I described here with a member.

Now I watched that projection that you described earlier and then watched her encourage it, just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak.

If it was all one sided we would not even have this issue that Andra described earlier.

Lol, Miss Jane you always seem to sneak in between posts.

So what changed your opinion of members to allow him to enter your life?

Must have been hard to view that individual differently than what most models seem to treat most members as.

I mean personally, I tried to do the same thing with a model but in reverse and well, that failed. Something that person could not comprehend nor realize.

Best of luck to you both though.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Feb 17 11 5:02 AM

It does happen Jane. I know it does. I dont mean to offend you, but is he rich? Bcs I really don't see other reason for a camgirl to get involved with a guy whom she met on an adult site.
Trainer u say that u saw a model encouraging romance. How many times do I have to tell that is all about money? Of course, any model would want guys that fall in love with them bcs those members might be the bigger spenders whom she needs. If u want, it can be easy to say "I love u" thinking all the while that at the end of shift your account will have few hundred $ more

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Feb 17 11 5:06 AM

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Actually, from what has been shared with me, it seems that 90% of what is going on is on the customers end, in their big head and the other. A model can just be a good listener (and in a way an audience), chat enough to be engaging or playful, and have sucess at this job. So it seems that one doesn't really have to get into it for their own enjoyment, to be able to tranmit it. I don't even think transmitting it is nescessary, because the guy is mostly projecting in any case.

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And if I may ask, if it is the majority of the members, how the hell do they end up staying there in chat rooms for hours upon hours at a time?


I was making a point to Camgirl, that it isn't nessesary for the performer to be enjoying the interaction (as she says she does (and more power to her)), in order to project giving a customer what he wants. My statement was not referring in any way to a "majority of the members". It was an observation that MOST of what is going on between a customer and a model is within the mind of the customer in a real sense. I was just referring to the most basic, horny interaction.

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There must be something other than their projecting that keeps them there if Andra, and camgirl statements towards those projections are dealt with quickly.


I was talking about projection of sexual fantasy, to further the point of most of what is going on in those basic interactions, again, is going on within the customers head. Again this was to make my point to Camgirl, that it is optional for the model to participate fully, without loosing the customer.

I'll try to address separately, your other questions. Btw, if a short pissing contest has begun, I know it was me that started it. I'm sure something good will come out of it, and some open questions will get addressed.

"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Feb 17 11 5:08 AM

How so Miss Jane, you mean you actually view members as human beings and individuals, and not as a distinct group of people with some disdain?

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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