Well Coolbreeze, where did I make it personal until you and camgirl made it personal?
Now back on topic, Camgirl why is it that Americans are doing much better on MFC for example than most Romanians are, or as I have read elsewhere that many American models work on other sites than MFC as well?
Or that many of the old timers from MFC are lower in the ratings nowadays or have left that site. If MFC for example is leading the change to a different approach to this work and other websites are copying that success, does that not indicate that these American models have a new style changing the way things are accomplished?
I observe it each and everyday there as one example. What is said on one other forum is not representative of an entire industry though. Niether is the fact that you have yet to show us proof here to the contrary.
The topic here is about models who use the weaknesses of members, to exploit members into some fantasized relationship. Which should never occur period. We all agree with that.
Second, the fact that you do not deny having members come into your chat and look to meet in person.
Third, the fact that when a member does go private they are seeking some sort of connection and more often these days a real live meeting, hence they will spend more trying to attain a more intimate relationship. Which in many instances the model encourages and allows to happen, by giving out personal info or yahoo or skype or messenger addresses. So eventually, they can milk more off the top avoiding having that money siphoned off to the websites and their studios for some models that work in a studio environment.
Next, and I suggest and have experienced and Reuters, systane, christian, me, and so many others you do not know about have made personal connections away from a models work.Which leads an unbiased conclusion, that their is something more than just the work occurring there.
Then you have people who now believe that they have that opportunity to meet and form a more intimate relationship with that client. And the fact that it is by models from poorer countries that do it more often can not be denied for any number of reasons.
Then as the example by Andra here twice, oh yes,she did also mention about a friend who actually did meet a client, then Miss Janes confession, coupled with some of my other acquaintances over the years. One must surmise and conclude how rampant or popular it is, and you are in the minority.
So now comes along this poor model and gets gifts from that member in the manner Andra describes previously.
Does it occur with Western models(USA,Canada Uk etc.) I don't doubt it does occur with them either. But the difference is one model is doing it as part of their work whereas the others do it to scam more from that client of theirs.
If I am incorrect then show me otherwise.Do we all agree that tactic is wrong or possibly unethical. Well for the honest models and members I am positive they will resoundingly say yes.
All the above, plus you add in all the raffles, the win a date contests, etc etc, and what is a member to believe or think about the opportunities all around them.
Coolbreeze, did I make it personal and wild just now? Nope, it is when you and others say I am making it personal. The only personal things I am lathered up about is for the people that have and have tried to do the same above as I described, to me or to others that I may witness. I am sure you nor anyone would be just as angry at that. Why can't those people just come onto the websites and do their business and leave. Could it be explained based upon what I wrote above? Or I should turn my back and say nothing and say"it is what it is".
Now if I was so subjective and making it a personal battle of me vs. the rest of the models, you would not see Andra step up and say she actually agrees with my view of her work. Now thats really objective and out of the box than reading day after day, the same old things from one side denying what is apparently obvious.
Now what can be done about it. I will list them here and now.
Will you be able to change it or make it stop? I doubt it because that is the very essence of the popularity of the work to a member. The thought that they can, have, and could meet a real cam model for whatever motivations.
1) Have the websites stop marketing these websites and the models to a potential member, as a means to form a romantic relationship. Stop holding contests for valentine of the year, and similar contests.
But quite honestly I doubt that will occur because that is the bait these days.
2) Have your colleagues(models) stop using what Andra used as an example to encourage, promote or whatever you wish to consider it, to form a close intimate relationship with a their customers. But once again that will not occur.
3) Write a disclaimer or warning on each website, that this is addictive and warn them that the models are not escorts, or there to form some intimate relationship.Best of luck with that.
4) Use this forum as a means to get the models to voice their opposition in the public areas against those meetings(which has been done) but has worked for few and for others they are as stubborn as camgirl is when defending her job.
5)Take camgirls advice and tell those to fuck off bluntly, when approached by such a ,member. But alas, many models who are not as experienced or professional and struggle will take the opportunity to scam and even meet a member, for whatever motivations they have.
Coolbreeze, you can say that you are here for these models, and are trying to help them get in and out as you say. But you lose focus on all the thousands who had no other choice but this work. Ok so you want them to succeed, in reaching their personal goals, but geez,from an unbiased view of it all it just is a true reflection of what ails people in many areas of the world these days. To objectively, understand why so many attempt the work and dream of riches, due to their unfortunate circumstances, is the real issue in the real world.
These women are the results of economic disparity, unequal opportunity, bias, and at times abuses of the policies which many live under. And it is a correlation to the socio economics and disparities of the rich, the oligarths, the corruption in many places and the inequality of another human being.
At one time I was just like you and others in their rational thinking regarding the work. Nowadays, since many a woman has used this work to go beyond what camgirl and Andra are writing within this thread against those acts that Andra has written about and seen it occur to me and many others, why should I still want to keep the status quo going.
The billions upon billions made off of porn each year could make a huge difference in society as a whole, not just a percentage of people who just happen to choose or not choose cam work, or sex work as their alternate or chosen primary profession.
If that is not an objective unbiased view of things then one of us, needs to consult a psychiatrist or other professional counselor.
Because in the many years I have observed and from what I have seen and experienced personally, things have not improved in my humble opinion.
And to Reuters, I too have enabled a few over the years and most recently. I would much rather "enable" masses of people than just a percentage of them.
A line form a star trek episode years and years ago: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". You can apply that to most anything these days, and just take a look around the globe and recently in all the Arab countries.