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There has been a great deal of discussion here over the years about working conditions in the Bucharest Studios and the degree to which Romanian studio models ever experienced deception and duress by studio admins or owners. Generally we agreed that there was little evidence of duress but quite a lot of testimony about deceptive hiring practices that involved withholding information from new models about their risk of exposure. We have also heard a few stories about "sticky exits" where models were discouraged from breaking their studio contracts that involved elements of blackmail and intimidation of other sorts.

Look here for our recent discussion of the "continuum of labor exploitation": http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=2773

There has also been quite a bit of attention paid here to the Model and studio raffles of real dates and/or tourist trips to cities in Eastern Europe and Latin America that included face to face meetings with cam models. These raffles seemed sometimes to border on open "solicitation."

Now a fresh light and new information on all of these issues has been cast in a topic opened on Ambercutie's forum in August 2010 by a Bucharest based, independent cam model nick-named SxxxxLxxx, who used to work for one of the biggest cam studios there. This thread not only dealt with the working conditions in the Romanian studios but very quickly opened up into a general discussion of the harsh and oppressive conditions that exist in the Colombian, Filipino and Russian Studios with many MFC models and members contributing their own observations and stories.

The picture that emerges regarding studio conditions in those countries is a very dark one - and often far bleaker than what we have said here. But SL's testimony does confirm much of what has been said here over the past four years by our own members and models about some of the best known Romanian studios. What I found truly shocking is what MFC models and members had to say about the conditions in the Bogota and Manila studios - things we suspected but never were able to confirm.

You can read it for yourself here, but please do read it :
http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1212

I think that is very brave and daring that these Romanian models have reached out to their independent colleagues from Canada, The United States and the UK in this manner. They are credible witnesses and have achieved something here that we could only try to do...But we should also note that this thread on the conditions in one of the bigger Bucharest studios (one we know all too wel) started last August and then suddenly goes dead in the early Fall.. Given what the top MFC Model, Mila Milan, has to say in this thread about Mafia influence in the web-cam studios in Romania and Russia, one can only ask why it was suddenly shut down. I can only hope that SxxxLxxx did not have to pay too high a price for her candor and her courage.

I will be adding some of the posts that impressed me the most to this topic later.

UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Apr 12 11 2:20 PM

So here's my personal selection of the most striking posts in SxxxLxxx's thread on Amber Cutie's forum. What impressed me most was that SxxxLxxx took the initiative to reach out to the American and British Independent models on MFC to inform them about the working conditions of the studio models with whom they compete head to head everyday. Much of what she had to say about the Bucharest studio where she had worked was familiar because other models have come here at different times to say pretty much the same thing - so a disturbing pattern has emerged in the reports about that particular studio which is one of the biggest in Romania. Look here at what was said by Andra and Aunt Louise about the same studio: http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1079
or by The Partisan in reference to another big studio here: http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1959

And compare what they said with the story SxxxLxxx'a tell her colleagues on AmberCutie's forum. Look here for the complete thread that begins in August 2010 up through April 2011: http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1212

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  Life of a webcam model in a Romanian studio!
Joined: Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:16 pm
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First I wanna say...Congrats Amber for this GREAT forum!and lots of kisses for everyone whos reading all these interesting posts here!I'm new here,on this forum,and first of all I want to share with you some of my experience in this crazy"hobby."

I'm a webcam girl for more than a year! First I've worked from home,but at some point I was bored and looking for a change, I started all over from zero in a studio from Bucharest. Now I realize what a bad decision I made then! Working in a studio as a webcam model its like keeping a wild beast in a cage(and I'm not really into this!),of course this could be only from my point of view! I'm not the type of girl who really enjoys to be restricted and strait-laced by a set of strict rules! That's so fucking boring! Or maybe its just my craziness 

You have to work a number of hours. You don't have legal working papers. You can't (or you are not allowed) do outdoors shows or any other kind of interesting shows or contests. You have no privacy (studios employees like tech support guys, trainers and managers have full access to everything that you do on your pc; the rooms may look personal but are not really. Like if I'm in a show trying to please myself besides my moans, the guys could hear the girl next door laughing, crying, swearing and even farting, or the cleaning lady using the vacuum cleaner). You have to share your income with them( and trust me...you have to give a big percent of what you are making).

There are too many girls working at the same time this can generates so many frictions between them),and there's sexual harassment. Yes...it sucks when your boss is calling you in the middle of the night asking you to have a quickie, otherwise you'll take the consequences! I agree... you can find good things as well in a studio. Like good quality equipment, 24h tech support, trainers, photographer... but still, I preferred  to put all away and leave it.

God this is a long post lol, but hope it will help some other girls to think twice when they make a decision.
Be brave girls and leave the crap studios!!!Kisses and keep up the good work! 


SxxxLxxx's colleague from Bucharest, AxxxLicxxxx, then added this comment:

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You made a good point Lxxx, we were in the same studio. I agree with all you said, and wanted to add some more, like the bosses customs when they see that u left studio and are starting to work from home. They start to threaten and blackmail you, although they can't do nothing legal against you.. 


This portrait of studio life sounds a lot like what were told about some of the Ukrainian studios by Katerina from Dnep. But what was even more disconcerting is what's said by a Top MFC model, Mila Milan, who's now based (apparently) in Thailand about the conditions in the Manila studios.. It resembles what we were told by Camsculptor last Spring - whom we then blew off - but Mila's picture of these studio is much harsher and very bleak indeed.
Look here for Camsculptor's story: http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1768

Here's what Mila Milan had to say about all that in a very strong statement that's far more dire than anything that has ever been said on this board in the past.

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I am glad for Lxxx that she has made the step to real freedom ..We both know each other and talk regularly and I think she is fantastic...Lxxx is right that the situation in Romania and Russia is different from here in Asia.

In Asia ( read Philippines) most girls especially in the Manila sweatshops are treated like slaves ! Pinay girls are working 12 hour days 7 days a week for $100-150 a month ..and the rest is for the studio. The bosses in these studios are nothing better than modern day slave traders. A lot of these girls work in their rooms for long hours , with their baby 'one sheet' away...and then you hear the premiums in the lounge bragging about how they let a Pinay girl do very extreme things for 5 or 10 tokens ..Those bosses in Manila should be castrated but the Premiums abusing these girls and paying them next to nothing for extreme acts are TOTAL ASSHOLES.....

As far as the Romanian and Russian studios go, I can be really short , they are 99% Mafia owned. Its the simple truth. This is not a judgement on the girls working there and I know a lot about it as I have a former studio owner among my friends , so I have the inside story. A lot of Romanian studios (not all !) also double as sexclubs..so the story that all Romanian girls are also hookers gets around and is of course a generalization and not true.... The fact that Romanian cam studios are used for white washing stolen credit cards, laundering drug money and related businesses is a known fact..... And yes I can proof all what I am saying..and yes I like a lot of Romanian girls ( this is not against them)I am glad to see any Romanian, Russian or Pinay girl getting away from those bloodsuckers and venturing out on their own....so a big bravo to any girl doing that !


So why does any of this matter? Why spoil the fun atmosphere and give MFC's image another "black eye?" Well, some clients might take this information into account and follow the advice of MxxxxTxxGxxx:

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But the stuff that Mila said plus the beliefs that I mentioned is why I limit my viewing to North American, United Kingdom, and Australian based models. There's too many risks involved in watching models from other regions (no disrespect intended to the independent models in those areas, of course).


But more importantly it means that American independents appearing on MFC are locked in a battle between "Free and UnFree Labor" - especially as far as the Pinay Models - who appear on their own separate Asian Home page on the site - are concerned, or the models who work in some of the Colombian Studios. Is it any surprise then to read the numerous threads on SW or AmberCutie's forum in the vein of "Why I Hate MFC" where western models complain about the presence of underage models working on MFC; Pinay models performing pee and scat shows done in an open room or the shows done by Axxxx99 in a public ladies room with children in the background?? Not to mention the fact that its premium members lounge has become a hang-out not only for Free-riders looking for their next free show, but pirate freebooters who are using the lounge as their observation post for finding and then stealing and posting, the group and private shows of all its top models. In terms of the piracy problem on MFC, it's as bad as it ever was last Spring.

MFC has become a sort of free-fire zone where everything is allowed and none of its rules are ever enforced by the web-site admins. And the same is increasingly true of other web-sites like Streamate. The Western "Indies" are put at an increasing competitive disadvantage in large part because there are Colombian, Pinay, Russian and Ukrainian models appearing on these web-sites who will do almost anything in terms of "extreme content" for a buck, because they are performing under varying degrees of duress from their male studio bosses.

It's time to revisit some of what was said last month about "where this industry is headed." It's more "stratified" into distinct tiers than we thought and yet united in a single global "hiring hall" for the world sex industry where those different tiers compete in a "race to the bottom."

And of course, we might want to revisit the question of bias on this forum too in light of this. Bias is something that can cut two ways and as MissJane has often said, we need to stay open to "all comers" and to all points of view.

UL

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"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Apr 18 11 4:21 PM

First of all I would like to thank Emile for informing me about these threads and inviting me to return to the forum.

Since the time I stopped posting some things have happened that I can inform about.

Lets begin with Russia and other FSU countries. It appears many of the studios are being consolidated into the hands of one young man who hails from Riga Latvia and has parents living in Brooklyn. The FSB knows about him and they are after him. There have been numerous studio raids in Kiev, St. Petersburg and Ekaterinaburg.. those are the ones I know of. Some of the girls from those studios have managed to get in touch with each other from different cities and there is some sort of a network now but for the most part that empire is at the moment crumbling. Many of the girls have gone independent and have moved to more remote locations or their home towns. I have facilitated a little but a lot of girls are in shock after their images appeared on TV. The girls that gave up some "ass" to the cops got off free.. the ones that maintained their dignity were exposed on TV and some put in jail and fined. The local studio bosses are on the run and the girls suspect they went to other cities.

I discovered a "normal" Russian social network site where I have a profile. Via that site I have discovered dozens and dozens of "groups" advertising webcam work. The overwhelming majority of those "groups" are either in Novosibirsk or St. Petersburg. The top ten of those groups have cumulatively over 1,000,000 female members. There are over 100 groups that I have found with english searches.

Last year I made a trip to St. Petersburg and I met and became very good NON SEXUAL friends with one model who is also an artist which was the basis for our friendship. She has told me a lot. In her case.. it is a small studio with only 15-20 girls owned by an American. They are treated well, paid well and not abused. They are all very loyal to him. However, she also told me about the "sweat shops". There are many and the rooms look deluxe but the actual working conditions are just as messed up as reported elsewhere. When I was walking around St. Petersburg I "ran into" on the street three other models. One was horrified that I found her and quit working immediately. The other two were friendly and polite and warned me to very careful because some studio bosses knew about me trying to get girls to go independent.

I saw a mention of underage girls working. Yes, this is absolutely true in both the Phils and Russia and probably Colombia. There is one Russian girl from Novosibirsk I befriended a year and a half ago. With only one no sex pvt she gave me her contact info and we have become nice friends since. I was surprised a couple of months ago when she friended me on facebook and I saw it was the day after her 18th birthday. I confronted her about it. She started on cam just before her 16th birthday. The thing I find amazing about this particular girl is it seems this cam work has had little or no affect on her personality. Its a "dirty secret" but she has it wrapped up tightly. Well, at least that is what she tells me. She also claims great discipline about the money and says she has it all saved. I do know she took her Mom on an international vacation last year so it could be possible I don't really know.

I suspect that the Colombian studios may have some kind of Russian connection simply because of the methods being used to manage the studios. Not all of course but there is one Colombian sweatshop that uses "red curtains" that I am very convinced is run or owned by the Russians. I know it sounds a bit far fetched, but, I have some circumstantial evidence that it could be true. This thought is based on the fact that in the Mexican city of Chetumal on the border with Belize there is a "free zone" where anything goes. In that free zone there are some casinos owned by the Russians with Russian and other nationalities of prostitutes working. No problem extrapolating the source for the Colombian girls...

Also what has been posted about MFC and Streamate on these threads is true. MFC is a total free for all. They are completely pushing the limits of what is legal. There are things happening in free chat that will cause problems eventually, so it would seem anyway. This "token tip" thing has spread to Streamate also. Some months past before streamate began accepting tips things had gotten real slow for my friends over there. Many were considering quitting because they were having too many sessions where they didn't even come close to making their minimums.

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Apr 21 11 11:55 AM

Welcome back camsculptor and thanks for the information on the Russian studios and their possible role in the Colombian adult video chat studios. Btw what did you mean by this line about the "actual working conditions in the studios in Saint Petersburg?

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However, she also told me about the "sweat shops". There are many and the rooms look deluxe but the actual working conditions are just as messed up as reported elsewhere.

Care to elaborate and explain exactly what you meant?

In the meantime the thread on Ambercutie's forum is still active and a young Romanian model posted this post just yesterday. Her comments add further confirmation to the picture of exploitation and abuse that's emerging in regard to one of the largest Bucharest studios - the one we all know too well...lol.
Look here: http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic...c13116&start=60

It's interesting to note that MFC is reluctant to sign on Romanian models and independents and prefers to stick with its Studio sub-contractors which are owned by male web-pimps- what the Romanians call the "peste." This is what we were told by Sweet_October years ago about PF's refusal to hire independent cam models who were "free agents." Perhaps this is a way to keep the mix of "free and unfree" labor competing against each other on MFC's web-site? Of course this is equally true of F4F, LJ, Peeks, PF, SF or SM. This competition between workers with unequal access to information and different degrees of bargaining strength now appears to be a structural feature that's true across the entire industry.

UL

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Re: Life of a webcam model in a romanian studio!
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Let's put it this way - the easiest way for a girl to make money in Romania is to become a hooker. But you don't need a studio for that, there are thousands of strip clubs and massage parlors you can go to if that's your choice.

There are a lot of studios in Bucharest, some are shadier than others.

I started camming 3 months ago at one of the biggest studios in Bucharest - one that also employs some of the most successful Romanian models on MFC.

The bright side: the boss is decent (not asking or forcing sex on models, usually very nice to us), the connection/cams are pretty good and they teach you the basics about working on camsites.

In my first month it was cool - but after that, they introduced a minimum amount you have to make (and about 12 out of the 60 girls I know about were fired after the first pay period, about 3 are being fired every 2 weeks now) and things went downhill from there.

I even had one of the managers ask me to not become friends with the other models :doh:

They now ask for a minimum amount of time online (6 hours, at least 5 days a week) and they make you pay fines if you don't respect the program. Also, in the last month they were late in giving us the money and they are making us use debit cards that have huge taxes (personally, i lose about 15% of what I make because of that).

Main reason why most Romanian models don't go independent is because some of them tried and MFC denied their request for a new account (my guess is the studio put in a "good word" to make that happen).

Some of the girls that left now use skype/messenger for shows and get paid via paypal or western union.

That's about all I know so far about the "videochat industry" in Romania

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Apr 21 11 10:44 PM

Hi Uncle..

You asked me to elaborate about my comment about working conditions in St. Petersburg.. so, I will offer the information that has been shared with me from my good friend that I know in real life as well as some other models that I have communicated with extensively off of cam sites.

St. Petersburg first of all is flooded with beautiful women, formalized prostitution in the hotels and nightclubs, high end strip clubs and literally hundreds of cam studios.

The owners of the studios are pretty savvy and have figured out two things.. first.. keep the studios in small well distributed apartments where 5-20 girls can work in different shifts.. this keeps the cops at a distance.. and it also minimizes the girls talking to each other too much.. makes them easier to control.

Second, make the studios nice.. the performance rooms are elegant.. there are typically decent showers and a stocked kitchen..

So far so good right? Sounds like porn starlet paradise???

Well.. that is where the nice stuff ends. Shifts are 12 hours and sometimes 24 hours. Girls have to make a minimum of sold minutes or they simply do not get paid for the shift. Even if they are five minutes short.. no pay. If they are short and the next model who has reserved the room arrives tough luck.. no pay. They are "fined" for all sorts of violations and their conversations are monitored typically in real time. Any conversation that violates the "script" they are supposed to use constitutes a "fine". Any TOS violation from any site is a much more serious "fine". Showing up late is a "fine". There are also other punitive measures that are applied.. for really "impudent" models they can get "locked out" and are not allowed to work yet are still responsible for their minimum on the day or days they are "locked out". One of the most insidious methodologies is the loan sharks.. big surprise a lot of girls need to borrow money for this or that.. pay advance or outright loans.. and once this starts.. they are going to be working on cam for a long time.

The part that makes the girls most angry.. they can see how much money they are earning and they know how much they are taking home after their fines and other deductions. They know they are being raped and can't do anything about it. And there is one other insult yet.. girls that are considered "elite models" that are hyper popular.. well they work under a completely different set of rules and of course earn far more. This is the carrot that is used to humiliate the models and keep them hooked on the fantasy of possible wealth.. "if you were only a better model like Olga here.. you could make so much more..." but they never mention that Olga is busy giving favors to admins and other kinds of payoffs so she can work in relative peace. Olga is getting raped too.. just a kindler and gentler raping is all...

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Apr 22 11 3:23 AM

Thanks Camsculptor.. That does clarify things..
And I must admit, even I am surprised.
UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Jul 8 11 10:11 AM

This post really annoyed me and got me thinking about how many sob stories these girls sell you and how much the sob stories evolved thinking that they probably started with " my mom has cancer, my father is dead and I have 5 little bothers home and I have to support the family" and now they're telling you about the Mafia influence in studios.
There are some true things in what the girl say like the fact that many studios have are very non professional which have even more girls in the same room, old equipment which causes teh issues often, a bad cam feed which makes the girls earn money harder. There are also bigger studios where you have good equipment but a thing that is common on big studios and small studios is the fact that studio owners want a cam model to broadcast on a very large number of accounts in the same time ( about 10). This is the idea of the studio ownners do make bigger profits but in practice you can't make much when you are on 10 accounts on the same time because it's hard to pay attention to all of them and attention is one of the main factors which get you paying.
There also are studios which think that a decent number of accounts so there are better alternatives out there especially on a big city like Buchrest.

About conditioning and blackmail if the girls choose to leave.

The studio owner might tell girls that they can't open accounts on the sites they worked on if they choose to work independent. In reality, most sites accept you to open a new account, this can only be done by closing your studio account ( girls can do it by themselves) and open a new one, it's that simple.
Blackmail means telling them that they jealous boyfriends will find what they are actually doing, in many cases they're boyfriends don't know ( they're too "macho" for this) and the studio owner might say that he knows a friend of a friend of a friend who knows who he is. The studio owner can't know him since they're boyfirends don't know what they are doing and the bigger the city is the smaller the chances are for him to find out.

In conclusion there is no Mafia, no real blackmail, just a bunch of cheap attempts to make the girl no leave that studio and pathethic way of models to get a tear and a tip from you. If I was you I just relaxed and had a decent conversation or a decent wank with the girls that have a bit of common sense.

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Jul 8 11 2:11 PM

Welcome RomanienCamModel to the CGN Forum...I'm very glad you have joined the conversation at long last. We are fortunate to have some critical commentary from someone like yourself who has had years of experience working as both a cam model and studio admin in Romania.

Whatever MilaMilan may have said about "Mafya" ownership of Romanian Studios, I don't really think that description applies to Romania - or at least to the Big commercial studios in Bucharest, or the ones in Brasov, Cluj, Constanta or Iasi.

Her description of a "cozy relationship" between the Militia, Studio Owners and Mafia syndicates is much more relevant to the organization of the cam industry in countries like BelaRus, Russia or The Ukraine.

This is how I described these differences between "service-provider countries" in a recent exchange with an American Independent "Cam Star," Nocturne.. I would be very interested to hear your reaction....
Here's the link to the original exchange..where I got my head handed to me on a plate. link: http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.p...topic=2737&st=0
UL

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With all due respect, {Nocturne} I don't agree with you about the nature of my "bias" because I think that the coercion/trafficking argument is basically a "red herring" and an ideological construct of the "rescue industry" as far as camming is concerned.. and probably as far as most post modern sex work is concerned too.

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So the question of bias really comes down to this: how much weight do you give in this global industry to the role of independent cam models who are self-employed business women, and how much weight do you give to the "studio models" who are the employees of web-cam studios which are the equivalent of the model agency in the Escort business? I think this industry is like a Rorschach test or a trick etching by Richter where different images appear depending on your point of view.

If you start to look at this global industry from the vantage point of North America or the UK what leaps our at you is the fact that the market is "owned" by women who are independent entrepreneurs, who manage their own time, define their own business model and marketing strategy and keep most of the money they earn. However if you look at from the Global South or Global East then a whole different picture emerges - so different that it's like describing  "a whole other profession" in terms of pay, working conditions and above all else, personal autonomy in the workplace. One is a post modern form for sex work that's very entrepreneurial, managed by and for women and the other is a semi-industrial corporate setting, again managed by women, but for companies where men are the "big studio bosses" - usually because they have heavy political connections within national economies based on a form of  "crony capitalism."  This is what the French would call "Le Capitalisme du Mafia et du Cul"

What I think that our little research project on CGN has established after 5 years of effort is that some big and medium sized web-cam content providers, companies like, Streamate, Vivid (f4f); *keepshows*; Private Feeds, Secret Friends, 2Lips - and to a lesser extent ImLive and MFC -  rely heavily on their partnerships with studio owners in the Colombia; Central and Eastern Europe, The Philippines, Russia and The Ukraine who act as subcontractors to recruit and manage most of the models that appear on those web-sites. This is even more true of the European cam sites like Euro-live, XLoveCam and many of the Belgian, Dutch, German, Italian and Spanish live cam sites. To a great extent the Eastern European studios - especially the Romanians but also the Russians and Ukrainians - "own" this Euro-market. And when they don't, immigrants from those countries make up the bulk of the work-force in the Dutch, Italian and Spanish studios located in Western Europe.  The number of studios is in the thousands and the number of cam-girls in their employ must number in the tens of thousands (20-40,000 in Romania alone). These studios and their employees are very important "live content" providers for the global industry of which you are a part.

This Studio list needs a new introduction but the list itself has been constantly up dated: http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=5

These models are NOT "trafficked or prostituted women" as the radical feminists would like us to believe. Nobody forced them to work in the industry. They work as cam-models during their student years - and frequently adopt it later on as an alternative career path -  because not only does it pay 4-10 times more than any women's job available in the straight job market,. but because it offers an opportunity for up-ward mobility within the industry itself. So the pattern that one can see in Eastern Europe is not so much women entering the studio, learning the craft and then setting themselves up as independent cam girls in competition with their former studio (although that does happen as our model members can testify), as one where the senior models move up in the managerial hierarchy of their studios to become the admins who manage and monitor their younger colleagues and who are responsible for recruiting and training them.. Most of the studio managers are women, while the owners and executive managers tend to be men, but it's a close knit "family." of insiders.

Look at this post by Sweet_October on the Bucharest Studios for instance:
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=86

The senior admins/models can earn a salary equivalent to an upper level bank manager or corporate executive - in Romania anywhere from 2200 to 2800 Euros per month.. while the ordinary studio models can earn anywhere from 400 to 1500 Euros per month, that is to say, several times more than a grade school teacher, twice as much as a Doctor with a General Practice, or more than a University Professor - and this at age 19 or 20!

So this is not exactly wage slavery that we're talking about here as far as Central Europe or Romania is concerned. These are the best paid jobs available to women. This might be less true of Bela-Rus, Moldavia, Russia and the Ukraine where the models earn considerably less than their Central European Counter parts. But even so, 300 Euros a month is a "VERY GOOD SALARY" in the Ukraine as Katerina reminded me the other day. But the cam-girls still remain "subaltern" employees of the studios which contract with the Western web-content providers, and they work on cam from the rooms that the studios own with the equipment the studios provide in shifts that can last anywhere from 5 to 8 hours (and in the Ukraine sometimes 12-14 hours)..

In some countries, especially Russia and the Ukraine, we should add that they are subject to a degree of "duress" because their "power of exit" can be subject to limitations. In the the PF Kyif studio, for instance, the models were actually locked inside their studio's workplace for their (8-12 hour) work shift and not allowed to leave the studio premises until their shift was over. But that was because the studio was in a secret location in a "luxury villa" with very heavy security, closed circuit TVs, and multiple locked doors, so they could avoid or resist police raids.. It's only very recently that I was able to confirm that there are other Ukrainian studios that are actually run for and by the Militia, and that it can be very difficult to quit one of those police studios once you start working there. But again, these are specific conditions of "duress" that apply only to some of the studios in Bela-Rus (the ones Dancing Days described), in Russia and The Ukraine.

It doesn't describe what happens in the EU countries where the big cam studios are legal companies that obey government work rules and pay regular taxes to the Fisc - rather than pay "protection rents" to the local police authorities. In the new EU countries, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Hungary; Poland, Romania and Slovakia, these studio cam models are still very closely monitored and subject to constant managerial supervision.. If you read camgirl, this is said to be for their own good. According to the Bucharest bosses, models "need to be supervised and coached constantly" in order to keep them on target and maximize their earning performance - for the studio but also themselves, etc... One can find lots of similar commentary from studio owners and admins concerning the "proper supervision of naive cam-girls" on the professional cam forums such as AdultVideoChat.ro.. but you can get a taste of this system of managerial discipline from the Model Manuals we have posted in Sexual Tourism and in the Situation in Romania, Russia, etc. I wish I could say that I had had the imagination to make this all up.. but I didn't.

Now I don't think any of this is true of the work experience of the independent models from Australia, Brazil, Western Europe and North America. The "web-pimps" they have to deal with are not studio owners/employer/bosses but the web-site management and their web-master affiliates whom Bambalina has described so well.. I haven't found any web-cam studios in the US except for "virtual ones" like Lighthouse - that's actually a model booking agency. I found a few in London employing Russian student models, but what seems more typical are model collectives where a group of girls form a limited partnership where they share the profits and costs of renting out an apartment that they can equip as a cam studio. La Maison in Canada is one such outfit.. But by in large, independent cam models working from home for themselves seem to "own" the web cam market in the Australia, Canada, the UK and the US...And these are the models who seem to be doing all the posting on SW or AC’s forum..

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Thank you UncleLewis, I'm glad I found your forum too, I've found many new things on your forum that made me understand camming better.
I don't know what happens in Belarus or in Russia but I know that in Moldavia camming is against the law but there still are studios there so yes I think they pay "protection taxes" there.
In Romania many studios have an offshore company because the taxes in Romania are very high while other studios are illegal.
Studio owners, in very rare cases, explain this to the girls because they are afraid they are going to leave and start their own business.
Now about prostitution, this is something that really got my attention, the cam girls are very different, you can find anyone from the cheap street hooker to girls with a few college degrees, master degrees and so on and also the studios and studio owners are totally different. I'm not aware of any studio which is also a brothel( those are definitely illegal) . What I know is that promising ( and just that ) real encounters can get you to earn some easy money.

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Aug 1 11 9:59 AM

Hello my name is Diana, I live in Romania and I am a cam girl too who works on my own from home. First of all I must say I am not agree with many comments posted here....Why you guys believe cos someone force the girls to work on video chat sites ? Where you think we live in jungle ? I tell you something, it's true they are few girls who had a bad boss, who didn't get their salary from their studio and so on, but, that doesn't mean that someone forces the girl to work like slaves or a street whore. Any one of those girls has the right to choose what they want to do. Nobody forces them to work in front of cam and get undressed or have sex on cam. If someone doesn't like to do that she won't do it at all. Everyone can choose what she wants to do, that's why I don't agree with many comments from a few cam girls.
Girls if you all worked or still work in a studio with a boss who forced you to work or as someone wrote here if the girls didn't make as much money as the boss asked, then he would put them out in the street, why don't you go to police? It's easy, if you don't want to do something just don't do it !!!

I tell you why this problem is going on with some girls, because of the PIMP'S who don't want to encounter the police again. More than 1 year ago pimps who had girls working as prostitutes in streets. discovered another way to make them "work" easily and to fool the police so they can't find them again, Video-chat sites. All the pimps took those girls from the streets and put them in front of the cam. In this way pimp's wouldn't have problems anymore with the law. They started to post advertisements like "Looking for girls for video chat sessions, earning between $1000-$4000 per month " in the newspaper so they can have an easy way to meet and get more girls to work for them. For work yes, but not for video chat, instead for pimp's stable in stead. Adding them girls in front of a cam on the sites is an easy way to increase a pimp's earnings. In this way they could find new and rich clients for their girls, and nobody ( I mean the Romanian police ) would know cos they were still practicing this "job" of being a pimps. That's why in few studios many girls are treated badly, because most of them don't want to meet members or to do some other (sexual) things, and if they don't do what the pimp's demand, they won't get any money or they will be treated badly.

The girls who posted comments here about how the boss treated them forgot to tell everything about their boss or they just didn't have the opportunity to know their boss better. We don't need to put all studios from Romania in the same boat, and if someone has something bad to say about a studio from Romania that person should write the name of the studio also, so people can understand better about what studio people talking about here . I repeat my self, every person may choose, nobody is forced to have this "job". As for ME i don't take what i am doing as a job. For me it's a pleasure, it's a way for me and other many people explore our sexuality; a place where we can do what we want and what makes us feel comfortable. If there's something that bothers me and makes me feel discomfort, it's all those girls who don't know what they want from them life and who don't know to take a decision or to choose, and if something goes wrong they try to make another person guilty for their own decisions. This "job" is not for everyone.

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Aug 1 11 10:08 AM

camsculptor let me ask you something about your conversation "off site " with some models, do you really believe all what they tell you ? Did you ever asked your self what them really want? why them have this kind of conversation with you ? It's like them beg mercy, it's all about money for most of them, and i bet you sent them money also, you couldn't resist. It's just a role-play for most of them believe me, i know.

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Aug 1 11 1:00 PM

Welcome to the CGN Forum DianaR as our newest Romanian model member.
Thanks for your comments...

But I and the other CGN members never claimed that ROMANIAN models were "trafficked" or forced to perform sexual labor...

The most we ever said was this:

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There has been a great deal of discussion here over the years about working conditions in the Bucharest Studios and the degree to which Romanian studio models ever experienced deception and duress by studio admins or owners. Generally we agreed that there was little evidence of duress but quite a lot of testimony about deceptive hiring practices that involved withholding information from new models about their risk of exposure. We have also heard a few stories about "sticky exits" where models were discouraged from breaking their studio contracts that involved elements of blackmail and intimidation of other sorts.



On the contrary, what we have said about Studio models in the Big studios is posted above and read like this:
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These models are NOT "trafficked or prostituted women" as the radical feminists would like us to believe. Nobody forced them to work in the industry. They work as cam-models during their student years - and frequently adopt it later on as an alternative career path -  because not only does it pay 4-10 times more than any women's job available in the straight job market,. but also because it offers an opportunity for up-ward mobility within the industry itself. ... Most of the studio managers are women, while the owners and executive managers tend to be men, but it's a close knit "family." of insiders.

Look at this post by Sweet_October on the Bucharest Studios for instance:
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=86

The senior admins/models can earn a salary equivalent to an upper level bank manager or corporate executive - in Romania anywhere from 2200 to 2800 Euros per month.. while the ordinary studio models can earn anywhere from 400 to 1500 Euros per month, that is to say, several times more than a grade school teacher, twice as much as a Doctor with a General Practice, or more than a University Professor - and this at age 19 or 20!



However there are some American and Czech model members who are making claims about coercion or sexual slavery - for which we have found very little supporting evidence - after having interviewed or read the posts of hundreds of models from Eastern Europe and Russia over the past five years....Here's a sample of what I mean - comments about sexual slavery in Eastern European studios made by Bambalina as part of her blanket attack on the management of Streamate.
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What the FUCK did you expect from a company that makes a HUGE profit off of Studio Girls in other countries who are beaten, paid too little, often slaves, etc.?? What did you expect from a company that directly supports trafficking of women?

I mean, I get that you need to make a living, but working for the devil? Sheesh...

(remember, every DOLLAR you make for Stream supports these practices, you can say whatever you want, but you ARE part of the problem if you work for Streamate...they are BAD BAD people)

But we have found very little evidence to support these claims about violent abuse in the studios in Romania.. The situations in the Ukraine..or Russia - where the studios are Mafia owned or run directly by the Militia - can be quite another story.

Therefore what you said here about street pimps getting involved in the cam business and using it as front for internet based prostitution in Bucharest was both new information and quite surprising to me. You have just confirmed one of the strongest claims that was made by the Czech Model, Mila Milan (a top model on MFC who now works from Thailand) that some Romanian studios were actually "fronts" for sex clubs. We had heard that one of the biggest studio owners in Bucharest also owned a large massage salon.. but never that cam models were recruited from among common street prostitutes and expected to perform "double duty" online and in the club.
This is what Mila reported last Spring.

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As far as the Romanian and Russian studios go, I can be really short , they are 99% Mafia owned. Its the simple truth. This is not a judgement on the girls working there and I know a lot about it as I have a former studio owner among my friends , so I have the inside story. A lot of Romanian studios (not all !) also double as sexclubs..so the story that all Romanian girls are also hookers gets around and is of course a generalization and not true.... The fact that Romanian cam studios are used for white washing stolen credit cards, laundering drug money and related businesses is a known fact..... And yes I can proof all what I am saying..and yes I like a lot of Romanian girls ( this is not against them)I am glad to see any Romanian, Russian or Pinay girl getting away from those bloodsuckers and venturing out on their own....so a big bravo to any girl doing that !



I think that what Camsculptor or Katrina are reporting concerns the studios in Colombia, the Philippines and Russia..and not the ones in the Czech Republic, Romania or Slovakia.. But what you have said may make me reconsider that position.

So thanks for joining the conversation. I look forward to reading more about and from you..
UL
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Whether one can believe them or not, all of the Russian webcam models I have chatted with on MFC state that their studios are not involved with the Mafia. None admit to being forced to work as models other than for economic reasons (it's the best job they can get). Half of them tell me that their studios do not pay income taxes. All but one tell me that they are paid at least 50% of what MFC pays (2.5 cents / token). I have chatted with one Russian model who stated she is independent. I know two Russian models who are currently trying to break away from studios. One is confident she can succeed and the other, who tried to break away last year but failed, is nervous.

After I get to know them, the Russian models do not have many reservations about discussing things in the private message windows which suggests the conversations are not being monitored. Five years ago, Russian models told me they received 10% to 20% of what the customers pay. Their percentages have improved. I get the impression that when they begin working for studios, they do not own computers and the other equipment necessary to be webcam models. They need the equipment and expertise of the studios to get started. About 75% of the models are not successful enough to afford to work from home whether using a studio or independent account. The studio administrators are businessmen and businesswomen who are trying to get wealthy. Some are easy for the models to manipulate while others are savvy using various methods to keep their top earning models working for them.

The story that is painted by the regular Russian models themselves is rather different, more benign, than the one painted in some of the posts above.

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Nov 17 11 2:06 PM

Thanks Polar Bear... There are some recent posts in this thread on AC's forum that shed some fresh light on the situation - and give us a "happy ending" of sorts to Sassyxxxxx own story...
UL

First here's two comments by customers that conform that at least some Romanian cam models are hooking up with foreign clients doing escorting on the side - rather like what we can read on SW about some American porn stars who meet clients at the Adult industry conventions.

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Xxxxx (client?)
true girls are exploited.
I've questioned this before. But I will tell. I have a friend who is a member of mfc long ago in Europe. Recently he met a model mfc Romania. He paid him the tickets, went with her one weekend. Well it was an escort job. All should know what is the job of escort. But he only did this to her because she put in mfc profiles things about dating.
As I said earlier the mfc is a  site model but when it goes to escort. These girls are giving bad name to models.


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Xxxxx (client)
but the studios abuse models. I've seen models that were here 14 hours on. Type mfc went to an hour .. hence there were still five hours and hours. To pay for it all has to work harder. I may be wrong but some in Romania are college students. The other day I spoke with two models of the Romanians working in a studio. said they were only 20 or 30% of their earnings. bought a portable camera and now work at home. and earn more. No longer need to be working 10 hours. Just 3 or 5 hours. Or sometimes will not. But they are also smart to make money. They make skype shows for 1000 tokens for 30 minutes when in mfc 30 minutes a prvt is 1800 tokens. they make three or four shows a day in skypes and win 4000 tokens sometimes. But done well out of the studio.



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Re: Life of a webcam model in a romanian studio!
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:23 pm
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Mirra wrote:
...the boss calling an employee up for sex...

That´s pretty bad in my book...Did not expect that...


Do you think that is bad in your book? What about being threatened? Like...taking you to a forest and raping you? :think:


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Well...Axxxx working in a studio in Romania its still not the same thing as working in an asian studio!Things are a bit different!You don't have a quota to make or something!Most of the people think we are(romanian models I mean) just a bunch of whores kidnapped and kept prisoners into a studio with the boss staying behind the cam and threatening us with a baseball bat in his hands..."hey girl...you have to make 5000 today,otherwise I'll beat you to death!"No...it's not like that!And I don't understand a thing...why everyone think...hey,you are romanian = you are a whore(and there's no doubt about it!)? :think: maybe you all can answer me to this cuz I'm really curious!We are so MANY romanian models having long relationships with our boyfriends,husbands or being single,without dating members or doing esscort!Yes,I agree ,maybe are some romanian models who date members and do some "things" for money,but not all of us!But you dont have to be romanian to be a whore! :snooty: I'm living with the hope,maybe one day the things will change a bit(about this "romanian "thing) from now!


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Re: Life of a webcam model in a romanian studio!
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Hello, i know this is an old thread but after reading it i feel the need to add a few things:

First of all videochat in Romania is legal , the only ilegal thing about it is that some studio owners or individual performers don't declare their income and pay their taxes, as in the CAEN code (clasificarea activitatilor din economia nationala) Classification of the activities of the national economy, the "video chathost" isnt an option, so they choose "internet consultant, model or entertainer. Most of the studios want to be legal from the tax point of view, we even had a few tv reports where they gave interviews.

Videochat isnt pornography, im not gonna give the definition here, but legally it isnt(unless you work as a couple with your boyfriend and yes that is ilegal.
As a former performer in a studio from my experience some of the things they said could be true, depending on which studio you work in, for example, there are a few big studios in Romania all over the country the same brand, theyw ill give you a work contract, training and a clean safe enviroment to work in.. good conditions and everything... now if you go in a "no name studio who has 3 computers in the same room then yes your boss might wake u up in the middle of the night for " a quickie" lol... my point is that they are alot of studion that will treat you with respect and as a human being...

Ok now to the other point i have... i know i know alot of you are like... " poor girl working in the studio bad bosses etc taking her hard earned moneyz.. 50% oh what a scam... etc"

about that: A LOT of romanian girls dont know how to speak english, dont know how to make an account, dont know what to do in free chat or pvt chat.... or dont have privacy at home, or dont have equipment. Thats why studios exist... to make ur account, to take pictures of you, train you, tell you when to go online (cuz again working from home can cause u to be lazy in your"freedom" ) to have a regular schedule... etc all that... and thats why they take half... cuz they do half of the work... every independent model knows how much "offcam work" is needed.. and just getting naked and shaking ur ass doesnt cut it anymore... its just not enough...
Anyway i know you are curious about studios in Romania.. and Romania all together :violin:


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What I dont get is ...why do people want to work for a studio in the long term? I mean I see the pro's like tech support, equipment, camscore boosts etc. I could imagine working for a studio, but not in long term, cuz i am far too greedy:P. How long does it take to "know" how mfc works? Do they tell the girls that only studios may register there? I think everyone read the wiki about mfc. I have no idea how much an Internet connection costs in Romania, Philipines or Russia. And yes, buying a pc or laptop plus cam is prolly very expensive for some of the girls. But what is left on your earned money after everyone got their part of the cake? Do the studios threatening the girls? I read (here) that some have the rule, after quitting that you aren't allowed to return to the site for some months. But still, if you are a studio model after some time you (should) know what to do in order to get tokens, why not doing your own thing? I noticed some of the Russian cam models even share the same room, and yes they are good in business. So why being at the END of the paylist?



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Re: Life of a webcam model in a romanian studio!
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Girls don't work for studios for a long time, the clever ones make their own accounts, some quit videochat altogether, and the ones who stay, just like the atmosphere and made friends at the studio, its easier to get a work card from the studio and then you can actually make a loan to buy a car or an apartment, than going legal tax payer on your own... when you collaborate with the studio you can have a contract for one year or 2 years... so you cant really leave... i mean from the studio's point of view.. I taught you everything u know .. i invested my time in you and then u leave after a month.... sometimes knowledge is very valuable.... i had no one to teach me and i learned all by myself in years...

and about threatening the girls... some could be threatened .. kind of depends with what kind of people you're working with, i have worked for 3 studios before working on my own, worked on imlive, *F4F*, *LJ*, camcontacts, etc :-D so ive had experience with every kind of website and all sorts of people... i have been "threatened" ive heard them all .. lol.... bottom line if u really wanna leave you leave, there is nothing they can do unless they have a signed contract.

xoxo

Now a RUSSIAN model joins in.. with a very rare and exceptional comment from CYBERIA that supports PolarBear's observations..lol

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Re: Life of a webcam model in a romanian studio!
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:29 am
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Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:23 am
Hello girls...I was going to be a silent "stalker" here :-D but I would like to add a few words if you don't mind. First of all I would like to thank Amber for such spot where models can share opinions and experience (I'm registered on my local camgirl forum as well, but here it's waay different (in positive meaning) and all of you are just sweethearts!

But back to topic...I'm from Russia and I've been working in 2 studios and huge amount of sites for 5 years. And I have to say that I guess I was blessed to have great bosses. The first studio was run by models and actually I was there just for some months. But other studio was run by guy. He was strictly against guy-performers and his attitude was very respectful...but I think this was just lucky exception..and other thing I'm from big city, not from Syberia etc (in big cities situation is better because of studios competition)...
One lady mentioned she had trainers in her studio, and this is great! Here in Russia we don't have such girls trainers and supporters - noone wants to share their positive experience. And usually girls are just "thrown" in front of the cam with toys in hand to do everything to convince and keep member longer in private and with lack of experience the only thing u can do - is to show off urself and play for ridiculous price...and I think it's soo wrong.

During all these years I've been watching Russian models' behaviours and I feel upset a little bit because to be honest, Russian models have bad reputation. And it's very easy to make member run away just by mentioning you are from Russia.
I'd not like you to take this post as a whining, it's just my personal point of view on Russian studios in general.



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SEVXXX (member?)
I know of at least one studio in Russia where new models do get some guidance from a model who moved into administration and where models are on fairly good terms with each other, but it's possible that this is an unusual exception.



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Sevxxx I believe You and I agree there're some VIP studios (mainly in St Pete and Moscow) which offer trainers and sports, tanning etc...

Ah and about me, I've quit studio modelling 3 years ago (when met my DH and got married). I don't cam (but if I do - I do it from home) a lot since then and tried to quit it soo many times, but guess it's like a drug...I miss camming and chatting lol.
And You've mentioned You didn't succeed with Your attempts to attract Your favs here...in most of studios there's monitored traffic (I hope You'll understand my idea) - all sites (except webcam ones) and messengers are blocked. Maybe that's the reason?


And last but not least, a status update from SassyXXXX herself
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Hey there... I'm still using this acct,I just dont have my mfc model acct anymore! I quit in january and I moved in USA,and I stopped using my mfc model acct ever since! Hugs and kisses!



Hats off to Sassy for winning the day.. and getting her life back.
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Here's a new addition to this thread on AC's forum by a Romanian model nick named Lolxxxxx
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Re: Life of a webcam model in a romanian studio!
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:38 pm

I have worked in a studio before. One of the studio is good. In a nice apartment with air-con the way the computers are fixed are like those of in internet cafe's they only put curtains so they won't be embarrassed when they are in prvt.Yes you are not allowed to always go out. If you want to buy something they have those guys you can ask to do it for you. If you are not used to it you will feel uncomfortable cause those guys can see girls naked sometimes.

The other studio is not good. We are in one house and each model work 8 hours a day and you are free to go out when you want to. You can buy food outside etc. and have privacy in the computer cause the boss is not always there. I really had fun working there because of my coworkers. They were all nice and were are good friends. We laugh and joke around etc. I actually miss those times and even now that all of us are working in our home. We still chat and still missing those days.

The next studio i worked. It's a small room and the way that the models work is just the same with that second studio. The difference is we always have to talk to our boss when we have to go out to buy some foods since we have to be careful or else the neighborhoods will notice. But it's still nice because of my coworkers are good too.

The last one is the worst. We are not allowed to go out. They give us food but they just cooked the same food almost everyday and when the boss is out his family is not showing us good. We always hear some nagging .Especially when we are taking showers like " oh they took so long in shower the bill is already high"

They don't want us to go out but sometimes they don't give us food too.

Good thing i am on my own now. Although i still miss working with different people cause it's so much fun.

There are good side and bad side in working in studio. If your boss is good and you have nice workers then it's nice. But if your boss is bad and you have boring coworkers then it's not good.

Studios normally take half of what we earn. If a model earn $1000 then half of it will go to the studio owner. When we are still in studio we always talk on how unfair it is. But when i tried to have my own studio, i finally understand that what the boss take is just right and it's really hard to be a studio owner.

Good thing i haven't experienced those things like their boss is calling them to do a quickie or have a sex with him. None of us experienced that. But i hear that sometimes in other studio models.



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This subject will always be argued. As long as models wont take it as a normal job, and the menthality wont change in Eu countries , cam girls will lie for money, thats all that matters the most in this!

Useful infos about other countries too!

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Oct 5 13 10:46 AM

bullshit!

Girls do porn, hookering, modeling, to mke moeny, Circumstances make the differnce. There is no "good girl webcam.cathegory" of  soft webcam girls in opposition to Escorts. In fact in it can be a matter of life circumstance; An Escort makes 10 times more than a webcam girl and hide her work much more easilier , while a webcam girl spends 4-14 hr in front of a webcamra ina lously room!


RomanienCamModelThank you UncleLewis, I'm glad I found your forum too, I've found many new things on your forum that made me understand camming better.
I don't know what happens in Belarus or in Russia but I know that in Moldavia camming is against the law but there still are studios there so yes I think they pay "protection taxes" there.
In Romania many studios have an offshore company because the taxes in Romania are very high while other studios are illegal.
Studio owners, in very rare cases, explain this to the girls because they are afraid they are going to leave and start their own business.
Now about prostitution, this is something that really got my attention, the cam girls are very different, you can find anyone from the cheap street hooker to girls with a few college degrees, master degrees and so on and also the studios and studio owners are totally different. I'm not aware of any studio which is also a brothel( those are definitely illegal) . What I know is that promising ( and just that ) real encounters can get you to earn some easy money.

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Apr 19 15 12:54 AM

good and bad

I'm an American I  spent a month in Romania walked the streets felt safe the entire time. I don't speak any Romanian but felt safe. I have to say I have visited many cam woman from Romania and I have not seen any signs of abuse such as women misbehaving a little and then disappearing from the website for a few days like they had been punished. I have never met a cam gurl that couldn't leave the studio if she wanted. However I have heard of cam gurls that willingly worked so many hours that they became sick. Please take care of your health. I have seen much of Romania and I know that there isn't  a lot of options around Romania. Whoever is running things I would say aren't doing a bad job I see a lot of real smiles on these cams from beautiful women that like attention. BTW the easiest way to gain a cam gurls trust is give her some money the second you enter her room.....and often they have the looks of pleasure but the heart of an angel......seriously they have a shitty job but wonderful hearts. I think that's what makes them different from street prostitutes. 

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Apr 19 15 1:01 PM

Offensive posts

Well some posts are offensive, but the "vibe here" has changed here quite a bit - if you look at many of the posts on the Anti-trafficking movement. When we started out here oh so many years ago, we accepted many of the claims about "sex work as slavery to the Mafia" that have been made by the "carceral feminists" of the global Anti-trafficking/Anti-prostitution campaign. By slowly but surely, we heard enough stories from actual cam-models and other sex workers to subject these claims to a skeptical review that knocks then down. That's the thrust of most of the posts in this thread for instance.. And more representative of the "newer vibe" on this forum where we take sex workers at their word when they talk about what they've experienced.

UL

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Apr 20 15 4:22 AM

The posts here date back 4 years. One person posted recently after 2 years so I wonder why someone would state the vibe hasen't changed? 


In comparison, the same "vibe" could be said about another forum that is disgusting, offensive, and expose the truth towards the bread and butter cam models make bank off of.

Sorry, Uncle but someone just pissed me off earlier. I am tired of listening to people talking out of their arses. The time has come to stop accepting bullshit at face value from some individuals.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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