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Apr 14 11 6:34 PM

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I'm really nosy and would love to figure out roughly how much a friend of a friend is earning on MFC. She joined last summer and has already managed to work her way up to being typically in the top dozen or so during prime evening time when there are 800-900 other models online. Often when she's on she'll be #8 or 9. Cam score in the 11000+ area. How she got up that high I don't know because from what I've seen she's not doing anything out of the ordinary. She's told me things but she's the sort where you have to take everything with a grain of salt so to speak. I thought I'd ask around and see what the truth is.

So...since camscore is based (one presumes) mostly on earnings roughly how much does a top tier model bring in?
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Apr 14 11 7:11 PM

Welcome. She can possibly earn as much as $20,000 per month. Question is does she really get to keep it? Or does she have to share it with her Studio owner who's making the massive token buys in her room. Look here:
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1282
And then below at this chart from MCG.
But remember that the typical Eastern European Studio model is making between $600 to $2200 per month. A Ukrainian $400 and a Filipina studio girl $150.
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Recently one girl asked me if I knew what were the highest tips on *MFC*s. The first name that naturally came to my mind was Mila Milan and the insane 260,000 tokens, so far the biggest.

But other girls also got huge tips. So, I decided to do a research to find out who are those luck girls. Surprisingly, I found out that many girls have got huge amounts and quickly I realized that my idea of high tip (around 5,000 – 10,000) is actually a normal tip for many girls. Also a surprise was the anonymous tips with high amount. Mellanny, for example, got 68,000 tokens from an anonymous member.

For those who don’t know, depending on how the member buys the tokens, the price may vary from $0.08 to $0.10 per token. However, the girls always get $0.05 per token. Which means that, for example, the 260,000 tokens that Mila got, cost around $20,000 or $26,000 (depending on how the member paid for it) and she got $13,000.
Top 20

So, here is the top 20 (last update November 28, 2010).
Amount  Girl  Member  Snapshot
260,000 tokens  MilaMilanXXX  tinlovesmilax  Not available (see notes)
200,000 tokens  Nikita420  TRIPOD469  check here
130,000 tokens  BlondeFantasy  pantau1  check here
106,111 tokens  Kellyheart  Downhill1106  check here
100,000 tokens  SammieCheeks  T_Bone_Thomas  check here
68,000 tokens  Mellanny  anonymous  check here
50,002 tokens  TJHeart  anonymous  check here
50,001 tokens  TJHeart  anonymous  check here
50,000 tokens  Mellanny
TJHeart
DaniAngel
CrazySysy  Mels_Mat
Unknown
SLO_STEVE
CrazyBany  check here
Not available (see notes)
check here
check here
40,000 tokens  DaniAngel  Unknown  Not available (see notes)
31,000 tokens  LovelyKittie  UncleWander  check here
30,000 tokens  MilaMilanXXX
MilaMilanXXX
Lush_Princess  tinlovesmilax
tinlovesmilax
anonymous  Not available (see notes)
Not available (see notes)
check here
29,400 tokens  ShyTeenn  BadDreamz  check here
27,875 tokens  Kristinna  Singular  check here
25,331 tokens  SerenaRio  potsNpans  check here
25,000 tokens  LovelyKittie  UncleWander  check here
24,000 tokens  LovelyKittie
BlondeFantasy  UncleWander
eatmyshorts99  check here
check here
23,000 tokens  KristyLIVE
MilaMilanXXX  LynxBritania
tinlovesmilax  check here
Not available (see notes)
22,650 tokens  CrazySysy  PLAYBOY555  check here
22,500 tokens  CandiedLace
RoseTouch  moonfirefly
Unknown  check here
Not available (see notes)
Extended top list

All the tips that were previously featured on the top 20 but were pushed out by higher tips and/or also those tips that are higher than 12,345 tokens.
Amount  Girl  Member  Snapshot
21,500 tokens  KristyLIVE  Private Info  check here
20,750 tokens  SavannahSteel  Secret__Santa  check here
20,202 tokens  AdySweet  Adys1Lover  check here
20,000 tokens  CrazySysy
18,036 tokens  HopeXoxo  Go_Away_Now  Not available (see notes)
18,000 tokens  CrazySysy
17,500 tokens  Mellanny  anonymous  check here
17,000 tokens  ShyTeenn  BadDreamz  check here
16,801 tokens  CrazySysy  matry  check here
16,000 tokens  MilaMilanXXX
15,555 tokens  CrazySysy
SerenaRio  PLAYBOY555
Mark4Serena  check here
check here
15,000 tokens  SexyyOnee
14,875 tokens  SavannahSteel
SavannahSteel  Private Info
Savies_Army  check here
check here
14,056 tokens  TattGoddness  Yanfo  check here
14,000 tokens  CrazySysy  Psycho435  check here
13,500 tokens  Mellanny  anonymous  check here
13,000 tokens  Mellanny  ponce1380  check here
12,345 tokens  ShyTeenn

These are the 20 biggest tips I found out. If you tip or have ever tipped a girl with an amount that can be included in this top 20, send me a message. But please, include a snapshot of this.

As you can see, the usual suspects appear several times with different amounts, pushing some good girls off of the top 20. A fair mention to them: Delicious00 (got 14,000 split into 4 tips), CandiedLace (12,000), AmberCutie (12,000), CuteBratxxx (11,100) and LittleJessie (11,000).

The list of girls that got 10,000 is so long that at some point I stopped considering them. Also, although 10,000 is a big tip (the member paid about $1000 and the girl gets $500), this amount is so far from the top that does not make sense to consider it.

Also, I tend to think that PLAYBOY555 is some kind of Hugh Hefner of MFC. He appears several times tipping CrazySysy and ShyTeenn. Not to mention the 1,000 tips that he gives all the time.

Do the girls deserve all these tips? This is a question that only the tippers can answer. What you consider boring, the tipper may consider a wonderful thing.

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Apr 18 11 5:17 PM

all those usernames of high tippers of mfc must get spammed by models with friend requests, pms, and emails since they were all posted online by models who want to be tipped by them next. no privacy for the users either.

If we weren't all crazy, we'd just go insane. -Jimmy Buffett
Sometimes the person who is the most logical is the person whom we call insane. -Kevin Spacey
I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity. -Edgar Allan Poe

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Apr 20 11 1:12 AM

Thanks; those were the kind of numbers she was saying. She did get a sort of pre-fab website which is credited to "www.luvcamz.com / 5 BEAM MultiMedia Ltd." but when I asked if that meant working through a studio she said no.

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Apr 20 11 5:22 PM

hello

thanks for this post,its interresting
i would like to know why so much people talk more about MFC than STREAMATE,*LJ* and other sites?
i work on STREAMATE and i will be verry happy if someone can make the same post for STREAMATE or other site like this
i hope you will understand me

thanks again to moderators,this forum its a good help for us!

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Apr 20 11 10:55 PM

lola,

Hi! Glad to see you over here in this thread.

I work at Streamates now, but I have worked for several other sites in the past. I worked at MFC for a few months, so I can tell you a little bit about my experience there. I should tell you upfront that I have come to deeply dislike MFC, the way it is run, and the effect it has had on the other sites I've worked for as they began changing their formats so they could compete with MFC.

When I started out on MFC, I was making good money, similar to what I make on Streamates now. I think that might have been because new models are assigned a camscore of 1000, and they are featured in the listings with a banner declaring them a "new model." This gets traffic coming into your room to begin with, and it is critical at this time to really "sell yourself." It has been my (casual) observation that the top models at MFC have attracted a fan base of members who, it appears, spend hours in their chatrooms nearly every night of the week, and do the majority of the tipping. So it is critical for a new model to spend as much time as possible online those first two weeks, because that is your "window" for beginning to create a fan base. Lots of members will come into your room for curiosity's sake, and it seemed to me that a lot of guys were trying to curry favor with me by tipping me well and giving me advice on how to make good money on the site.

I did really well my first two weeks, and was slowly but surely building up the fan base I needed. I was making good tips in free chat, and occasionally got taken into groups or privates, where the tips really add up. I even had guys who would give me their Yahoo email addresses or their phone numbers, and pay me in "offline tokens" to send them emails or call them when I was off camera. So I did build up a base of loyal members who would look for me online every night, and my camscore improved for a while at first. But once I was past the "new model" status, it seemed like those were the only guys who *ever* came into my room. Only about half of my "fans" would tip me in free chat, and they rarely took me to group or private.

I knew that toplessness in free chat, which was strictly against the rules on other sites I worked for, was encouraged on MFC, so I would put a topic up on my chat room informing members that for a 50 token tip, I would dance topless to one song. So basically, they could pay $5 (of which I made $2.50) for three and-a-half minutes of boobies. I tried other little "gimmicks" to drum up interest in my chat rooms, like topless poetry readings or topless Tarot card readings. After the three minutes was up, I would put my top back on. After a few months, things settled into a routine where the same twenty or so members came into my room every night, but new guys would pop in, see that I had clothes on, and leave immediately.

There are other ways to attract customers (and tips) on MFC. Lots of models put a topic on their chatroom that says that when their tips add up to a certain amount (like 500 or 10,000 or whatever), they will do a "special" show, like a shower show or an oil show. I tried that a couple of times, but I couldn't stand the tone of the room when I was waiting to hit my desired tip amount. First of all, I had to keep updating my room topic every time I got a tip ("Only 450 more to go for shower show"), and second, instead of being able to relax and chat, I had to keep bringing up the subject of tips, it felt very much like begging. So I got into a routine in which I relied on my "regular guys" to tip me every once in a while, and gave up on everything else. By the time I decided I was done with MFC, I was making about $10 an hour. Since I've made at least $20 an hour on any other site I worked for (and often much more), I just decided one night that I wasn't going back to MFC.

As I've said, I've come to really dislike the site, and I am very disappointed that other sites are trying to copy the "free chat" format. For instance, when I began working on ImLive, I *never* went into free video chat. I would stay in free text chat the whole time (I don't know if any other site offers this type of chat, so I'll explain. When you log on to text chat, the site puts your profile on a list of models who are available for text chatting. Hosts who are doing a "happy hour" (something else I never did, so I don't really even know what it was) or who were available for free *video* chat were listed first, but at any given time, there were only twenty or thirty hosts offering those options, so a model who was offering free text chat only could still be listed at the bottom of the first page.) So I could go away from the keyboard when I didn't have anyone in text chat, and wait to hear a ding telling me someone had come in. I became a very popular model on ImLive, (I was listed in the top twenty every pay period for about four months) so it got to the point that I could never leave the keyboard because I had so many people in my text chat. I was getting many privates, and was making money hand over fist without even having to show my face in free chat, let alone my boobies. (I had a falling out with the site owners over the heinous way they treated their models, and left the site when I was at the top of my game. I'm sure that if I had stayed, I'd have consistently been in the top ten, meaning I would have been making about $10,000 a month and $20,000 a month for the site.)

But even before I left ImLive (last October), they had started encouraging models to stay in free video chat more by offering various incentives, and soon it was necessary for me to spend all my time in vid chat in order to keep making the same amount of money. I have no idea how they are doing things there now, so I don't know if they've begun tolerating nudity in free, or have begun allowing tips, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did. t seems that all the sites are rushing to lower their standards so that they can compete with MFC. So as far as I'm concerned, MFC has harmed the entire industry by allowing (and even encouraging) total nudity and even penetration in free chat. If one drops by MFC on the last night of a pay period, when the girls are upping the ante to get those last few tokens before their checks go out, one is never more than three or four clicks away from popping into a room where some model has her fist up her ass in free chat. And this on a site where the only thing that keeps minors out of free chat is the "click if you are over 18" button.

So, yes, there is lots of money to be made on MFC. The question is, will you still respect yourself in the morning?

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Apr 21 11 2:57 AM

lolacokine, I am currently a member of MFC and have been a member of SM. The format of MFC (tips, group shows, spying and private shows) allows for more fun than I have had on any other webcam site. MFC is lax in enforcing its rules allowing creativity to flourish. SM is just plain boring, prudish and overpriced now. There is more fun to be had in the wild, wild west than in civilization.

someonehasposted, I have further refined the relationship between the camscore and tokens since that thread from which UncleLewis quoted MCG. A camscore that has been roughly stable over several months with the model working regularly is about half of the average number of tokens she earns each day that she works. Because the camscore does not change on days the model does not work, you have to estimate the number of days she works to caclulate her approximate earnings. The models are paid 5 cents per token although they might have to share some of it with a studio. A camscore of 11,000 is very good allowing her to earn much money, an average of $1,100 each day she works.

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Apr 21 11 10:48 PM

PolarBear,

Thanks for your insight about how a member feels about MFC. I don't find it surprising at all that you find MFC more fun than Streamates, but I take exception to your statement that "MFC is lax in enforcing its rules allowing creativity to flourish." I fail to see any evidence of this "creativity," and would love it if you would post some examples that you have seen.

I stand by my above statement:

QUOTE (NakedNormaRae @ April 20, 2011 10:55 pm)
So as far as I'm concerned, MFC has harmed the entire industry by allowing (and even encouraging) total nudity and even penetration in free chat. If one drops by MFC on the last night of a pay period, when the girls are upping the ante to get those last few tokens before their checks go out, one is never more than three or four clicks away from popping into a room where some model has her fist up her ass in free chat.


Sorry about taking up the space to quote myself...I guess I was a little disappointed that you responded to lola and someone, but not to me. So consider this my way of saying, "ooh, ooh, PolarBear, over here, over here!" I'd love to hear from you.

NNR

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lolacokine

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Apr 21 11 11:05 PM

waaaw!!
its was difficult for me but i was understand,you didn't made so much money on MFC
than STREAMATE,reallly
for exemple:
i just log off of my cam about 20 min ago,i stayed 1 hour,i made 135$,before last night 120$/hour...i didn't show my pus... in private,any boobs,just talk and talk...and move a bit
so i think i will staying on STREAMATE
the most important is not the little games (like :gimmicks" ) know talking and treat a man,to make him confident and bit horny

makeup and a clean room verry lighting...

maybe im wrong,but its work for me and lot of models on streamate.
dont make you tired for 20$

oh!and polebear,maybe MFC its more "funny" than SM,but personaly im not online to have fun,its my job and i just want to make my money
i can't work in free chat and show something for some takens (like some peanuts)
its just my mind,i dont juge anyone

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Apr 22 11 3:47 AM

I find this all fascinating. Let me say up front I'm not a tipper (never spent a cent anywhere) but then again I'm barely even a viewer. Oh, there's one girl on MFC I think seems nice and cute and funny and I may watch her for a few minutes when I catch her and I don't really care if she's just sitting there fully clothed chatting--but then again I'm not paying. Even then I'm bored quickly and go do something else. (Frankly, I can go watch real live amateur sex on cam4 for free if I feel the urge to.)

As for my friend of a friend that I was asking about, she's got our state blocked but although I have a way around that from what I've seen she's does a lot of sitting around chatting, eventually getting naked and maybe getting off with a Hitachi or occasionally a Sybian. (This is in the free cam.) So one thing that is fascinating is how she got up so high in the rankings.

The other thing is just a general observation about porn on the internet. Once upon a time the porn sites were among the few things on the www that could demand and get money for their wares. Now it seems they are being decimated by the tube sites offering so much for free (much of it free samples from the same sites that are being harmed). The last bastion was the live cam which I presume were cash cows for them at $$ / minute rates. Now that's being thrashed by the likes of MFC where so much can be seen for free and cam4 where even real live sex is free. (Yes, they've implemented a tipping system too in recent months but it's model/couple controlled.)

That Russian kid who started MFC must be making a fortune. I've seen sites where people are looking for programmers and I've seen ads where people want to duplicate the entire functionality of MFC.

I don't know if all this is an example of web vs. web 2.0 or what but it's all quite interesting.

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Apr 22 11 4:21 AM

I have observed MFC for awhile now.

I can attest to the fact that some models can earn huge sums of money there.

I was curious as to why a particular model was so popular so I observed her and her chat room for most of one month while she won model of the month.

In one short 6-8 hour shift, I can approximate she earned at least, minimum, 10-20k tokens.

I watched her earn 6k in tokens in less than 3 hours.

Now you do the math.

Do not forget that models can get offline tips as well.

But humans get tired or bored with the same type of shows, or interactions so a model must constantly be changing things.

Different outfits, new types of raffles and contests, new toys, even different videos for sale etc etc.

Perhaps that is what Polar Bear is alluding to, as his description of the creativity to flourish.

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Apr 22 11 12:50 PM

hello guys

trainer : i would to know something :the women who earn 6000 takens in 3 hours (that right?) what she doing for that? like topless,or dance?more?

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Apr 22 11 3:15 PM

LoLacokine there are several open topics in Models2Models on working for MFC in the sub-forum "Cam-site Reviews.".
Here's the link to the latest version of their rules - which are never really enforced.
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.p...t=0&#entry19066
And here's why they're not -read what our members and models have to say about working for tips in an open room and then ask yourself whether you could handle that degree of exposure?
Look here: http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=936
And then remember that MFC is a site that's heavily targeted by pirates precisely because they can easily record a model's show if it's performed for tips in an open room.
Look here: http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1820
And here: http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1337
UL

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Apr 22 11 6:35 PM

Uncle Lewis,

Thanks for the links--I've been trying to see what other people say about MFC, so these will be helpful to me as well.

I'm going to admit something a little embarrassing here: I find myself getting a little lost on this forum when I'm "researching" a topic (research is too lofty a word for what I do, it's more like gathering random bits of info), so your guidance is greatly appreciated. I have a sort of running joke that I use when I'm on cam in which I admit to having an ADD-like problem--the phrase I use is "I have the attention span of a gnat (or possibly a gerbil)." I guess that's why my posts contain so many parenthetical expressions and em dashes--I often interrupt my own train of thought. So you can imagine how lost I get when I'm following along on a thread here--many of the posts are very long, and contain many links to other threads, and at some point, my poor little gerbil brain just explodes.

That having been said, I'm going to make another embarrassing admission--I think I'm addicted to this forum. I mentioned in my intro that I'm attempting to start a site of my own, so I've been searching the internet (again, somewhat randomly) looking for a site just such as this one. What I found here was an embarassment of riches--so much good information, so few hours in a day.

Let me stop rambling here--thanks again for the guidance.

NNR

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Apr 23 11 3:55 PM

Norma Rae I am glad it was helpful.. So might the topics "Forums" or "Understanding You Guys" in "About You" and "About Us."

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(NakedNormaRae @ April 20, 2011 10:55 pm)
So as far as I'm concerned, MFC has harmed the entire industry by allowing (and even encouraging) total nudity and even penetration in free chat. If one drops by MFC on the last night of a pay period, when the girls are upping the ante to get those last few tokens before their checks go out, one is never more than three or four clicks away from popping into a room where some model has her fist up her ass in free chat.

I couldn't agree with you more about how dangerous MFC has become to the Adult Chat Industry. We have found another example today - an MFC Promotion site where the main selling point is that its sex shows in free chat are "virtually" given away for free:
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.p...t=0&#entry19072

It's a free-fire zone where as camsculptor said:
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What has been posted about MFC and Streamate on these threads is true. MFC is a total free for all. They are completely pushing the limits of what is legal. There are things happening in free chat that will cause problems eventually, so it would seem anyway. This "token tip" thing has spread to Streamate also.�

And if we ask what kind of problems - one of the biggies is the presence of under-age models in some of the Studios in Bogota or Manila or St. Petersburg who are subject to varying degrees of duress.

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camsculptor
I saw a mention of underage girls working. Yes, this is absolutely true in both the Phils and Russia and probably Colombia. There is one Russian girl from Novosibirsk I befriended a year and a half ago. With only one no sex pvt she gave me her contact info and we have become nice friends since. I was surprised a couple of months ago when she friended me on facebook and I saw it was the day after her 18th birthday. I confronted her about it. She started on cam just before her 16th birthday.


As I have said elsewhere:
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MFC has become a sort of free-fire zone where everything is allowed and none of its rules are ever enforced by the web-site admins. And the same is increasingly true of other web-sites like Streamate. The Western "Indies" are put at an increasing competitive disadvantage in large part because there are Colombian, Pinay, Russian and Ukrainian models appearing on these web-sites who will do almost anything in terms of "extreme content" for a buck, because they are performing under varying degrees of duress from their male studio bosses.

It's time to revisit some of what was said last month about "where this industry is headed." It's more "stratified" into distinct tiers than we thought and yet united in a single global "hiring hall" for the world sex industry where those different tiers compete in a "race to the bottom."


This mix of independent and studio models is of course done by design as Web-site bosses like Leo Radnitsky "partner-up" with male studio bosses overseas in order to flood the market with the "reserve army of the unemployed" made up of economically desperate women - primarily from Asia, Eastern Europe and Latin America.

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Apr 23 11 4:32 PM

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trainer : i would to know something :the women who earn 6000 takens in 3 hours (that right?) what she doing for that? like topless,or dance?more?


What are they doing there? Depends on each individual. Also depends on her customer base.

This model in question, used psychological and other methods to entice or persuade the members to add to her countdown goal.

Mostly each time it was a set amount:

5,000 tokens for strip.

When the goal was reached she simply took off her top, teased and in my humble opinion, was manipulating people on the preface that they would see more than they got.

Remember, when a topic is created, the goal is to achieve it. To me, in my observations, the price paid was for very vanilla teasing, flirting and very soft porn(just exposing her boobs).

Members have the need and desire to feel special and to be noticed. Members will pay for many things. I liken it to taking candy from a child.

One important note is that she is extremely beautiful and very fit.
But to me she knows how to "play the game" so to speak.

Hope that helps you.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
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Apr 24 11 6:30 AM

QUOTE (NakedNormaRae April 21 @ 2011 03:48 pm)

... but I take exception to your statement that "MFC is lax in enforcing its rules allowing creativity to flourish." I fail to see any evidence of this "creativity," and would love it if you would post some examples that you have seen.
The lax enforcement of the rules occurs every time a model does a dildo show in public chat or a pet walks into the field of view. Models arrange for Skype shows with payment off site or ChipIn donations on their profile pages. MFC's rules are the most lenient I have seen. MFC allows models to give out their email address and meet customers. MFC allows models to communicate with each other. None of these things were allowed on the other sites I have joined. The models were afraid of being fined or fired if they were caught breaking the stricter rules.

The first and only site I have joined that allows tipping is MFC. On SM the routine was to enter the public chat room and chat with the model. The standard set of questions was:

hi bb
where are you
how old are you
take me into pvt

Sometimes a model would stand up dressed and turn around allowing the customer to get a better idea of her appearance. Originally there were guests begging for free shows, but in 2006 they were denied the ability to chat while allowed to watch anonymously. The price of the shows were fixed, such as $2.99 / minute. Negotiations concerned what the model was willing to do and how long she would do it. If any were available, preview photos were tiny 320 x 240 pixel images. Ratings were always stuck at 5 stars.

At MFC there are full profile pages on each model allowing comments, and preview photos can be any size with most of them being huge. Some are very beautiful photographs. Some models provide games, promotions and contests. They link to offsite locations, such as Facebook or their personal online stores. In short, the models can customize their pages far beyond the generic format available on SM.

Tipping is the function that makes many new things possible. A customer can tip a model to purchase photos in a password protected gallery. Tipping allows for countdowns where many members contribute to the cost of a show. Tipping allows the model and customer to negotiate the price, duration and type of show. Customers can tip in a way that encourages other customers to tip or enter group and private shows.

The format of SM makes it easier for a model to scam a customer by not doing the show that was agreed. Due to the public performances and camscores on MFC it is easier to determine whether a model is a good, honest performer before spending tokens.

MFC has not harmed the entire industry. It is adapting the entire industry as the world economy collapses. The American economy was in good times while the Baby Boomers were in their power years. There was a lot of excess money for customers to spend on cam girls. As the baby boomers pass into their retirement years, peak oil bites and decades of disastrous economic polices come to fruition, your customers are becoming poorer. Models who like to sit around clothed earning $5 / minute to chat, are loosing ground. During a worldwide economic depression, models will have to work harder for less pay. MFC is not the cause. It is the conduit of changing times.

There are too many questionably legal activities happening at MFC. The ability to give large tips, 10,000 or more, allows for money laundering. Some of the games models play are essentially unregulated online gambling. Some meetings between models and customers could be prostitution. Shows in public chat allow minors to easily observe sex acts. Eventually MFC will probably be busted by the FBI, but even then, conservative models will probably continue to lose customers as the world economy deteriorates. Don't expect to get many customers from prudish China.

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Apr 24 11 7:27 AM

QUOTE (lolacokine @ April 21, 2011 04:05 pm)

its was difficult for me but i was understand,you didn't made so much money on MFC than STREAMATE,reallly

I know a model who works on MFC and SM simultaneously. She consistently earns more money on MFC than SM. As camgirl has advised many times, different models have different degrees of success on different sites. Several Russian models have told me they receive a pathetic 10% of what the customer pays on SM. The lowest I have heard from MFC is 20% with it more commonly around 30%. SM pays a low fraction, and the studios take a big chunk.

QUOTE (lolacokine @ April 21, 2011 04:05 pm)

for exemple:
i just log off of my cam about 20 min ago,i stayed 1 hour,i made 135$,before last night 120$/hour...i didn't show my pus... in private,any boobs,just talk and talk...and move a bit
If you earn that much per hour every day you work, then you are a top model on SM. You found a good niche there and are lucky.

QUOTE (lolacokine @ April 21, 2011 04:05 pm)
i can't work in free chat and show something for some takens (like some peanuts)
Good for you for adhering to your rules, and I am glad you found a site that works for you. Sometimes a strip dance to topless in public chat for 100 tokens at MFC leads to a group or private show making it a good lure. Some of the models do get naked in public chat trying to attract customers, and sometimes it is a bad idea. For example, I spent 2 hours yesterday trying to start a group show with a model (camscore about 500) who was naked in public chat before I arrived. During the 2 hours the only tokens she received was a 100 token tip from me to dance for a few minutes. She was naked the entire time except for her shoes, and we failed to start a group show. I will try again another time.

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Apr 24 11 11:22 AM

cool.gif Polar Bear I think we agree more than we disagree. This is what I wrote a year ago on the link between a decline in Clients' disposable income and the introduction of "pussy for tips" shows in open rooms.
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Second thing...we must remind ourselves constantly that this "seksbizness" isn't really about increasing earnings or options for models, but about generating a larger revenue stream for the web-sites that are owned and managed by men tied to trans-national crime syndicates.

All the recent innovations on MFC are aimed at increasing traffic and profit margins by lowering the price of an entry ticket to live shows by allowing members to pool their tokens and share the cost of the "content." As Andra reminds us, this is all about preserving the "take"  for studio owners and web-masters in a crisis period when their clientele's disposable income has declined dramatically due to their own income and job losses. And this marketing strategy has had great success. MFC is now ranked 3,830 out of all the US web-sites listed on Astra, got 0.03% of all Internet traffic worldwide as of yesterday, and has seen its share of world web traffic increase by 35% over the past three months.

And ofc,... if the experienced models refuse to adapt to the new way of working a room, the web-pimps can always find some "silly girl" who's sufficiently inexperienced; naive about actual risks and economically desperate enough to take her place...What Marx called "the reserve army of the unemployed" has been greatly expanded over the past two years by 60 million job losses - so there are lots of candidates for any job vacancies who would rather " go topless than be jobless."

So guys this really isn't about some models' personal choices and preferences in a "free market for sexual services". This a global industry where the Web-Pimps have just changed the rules and lowered the bar, so that models must either adapt their performances to the new industry standard or get out. In the midst of the first Global depression of the 21st century that's hardly a free choice.


"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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The lax enforcement of the rules occurs every time a model does a dildo show in public chat or a pet walks into the field of view.

PolarBear: I apologize. The structure of my question must have made my meaning unclear. I was not asking for examples of MFC's lax enforcement of the rules, which are plentiful and obvious, I was asking for examples of the "creativity" it engendered. I still fail to see how the willingness to shove foreign objects up one's ass can be considered creativity.
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On SM the routine was...

Again, my apologies--I think that by comparing my experiences at Streamates to those at MFC, I may have given the false impression that I think SM superior to MFC. Nothing could be further from the truth...I regard SM as merely the lesser evil of all the sites I've worked for. (Ya know, I think grammatically, I should be saying the *least* of all evils...aw, screw it...)

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At MFC there are full profile pages on each model allowing comments, and preview photos can be any size with most of them being huge. "Some are very beautiful photographs." Some models provide games, promotions and contests. They link to offsite locations, such as Facebook or their personal online stores. In short, the models can customize their pages far beyond the generic format available on SM.
Tipping is the function that makes many new things possible. A customer can tip a model to purchase photos in a password protected gallery. Tipping allows for countdowns where many members contribute to the cost of a show. Tipping allows the model and customer to negotiate the price, duration and type of show. Customers can tip in a way that encourages other customers to tip or enter group and private shows.


Ah, finally, an example of creativity. However, this creativity has flourished because of the tipping system, not because of the lax enforcement of rules.
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The format of SM makes it easier for a model to scam a customer by not doing the show that was agreed.


I wouldn't know anything about this...I am scrupulously honest about what I will and won't do in private, and I actually refuse about 10% of the requests I get in public. For instance, dirty talking is iffy for me--if I'm not in the mood, I won't be able to sound convincingly dirty. So if a guy asks me "hey, bb, will you talk dirty to me in private?" I will say yes only if I am in the mood. Otherwise, I will respond by explaining that my mood is too silly at the moment to be effective in that particular roleplay. If the customer expresses unhappiness, I tell him that I would rather be upfront than take him to private with promises on which I can't deliver. But actually, the response is usually "thanks for the honesty," to which I usually respond something along the lines of "come back another time...you might catch me in a really dirty mood!"

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Due to the public performances and camscores on MFC it is easier to determine whether a model is a good, honest performer before spending tokens.


Are you saying that if you are satisfied with a performer's public dildo show, you will be more likely to take her private? Because that is exactly the opposite of what actually happens. And if not, what *are* you saying here?

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MFC has not harmed the entire industry. It is adapting the entire industry as the world economy collapses.... MFC is not the cause. It is the conduit of changing times.


I'm going to have to agree with most of what you say here. Yes, MFC is causing the industry to adapt, and is a harbinger of things to come. But I maintain that this adaptation has been to the detriment of the industry. Actually, I won't even make that sweeping a statement--I will just say that this change is detrimental to the *models.* The industry itself is chugging along happily in its handbasket...but where, exactly, is it going?

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