Piracy-Privacy and Other Questions in Models Issues Forum

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Dec 3 11 11:24 PM

Hello newgirl and welcome to the CGN forum... Thanks for joining the conversation.

I think that you will find some open topics here that address your issues about privacy and the "nice" guys who become "overly committed..."

Look at the topics on piracy in this section.. and the posts by Andra, camgirl and Miss Jane..

As for the techniques that are used to record your shows ..there are a great many capture programs out there - and the pirates use them all..

While I have not seen that many ImLive models' shows posted on the pirate forums we monitor regularly, we have seen at least a few. So it's safe to assume that your shows will be recorded and posted somewhere eventually. But they are usually pretty easy to delete if one knows where to look. See our topic "Submitting DMCA Notices."

There are several open topics in the restricted section of the forum that deal both with the capture programs that are commonly used and the pirate forums - where you might want to check for your own pirated videos.

However, You will need to join us as a verified model member to gain access to those areas of the forum.. I suggest you do that straight away.

Here's how to get an upgrade in your membership status: http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=38

Thanks again for joining us.
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Dec 4 11 12:42 AM

Hey thanks for the info. I went searching and found a watermark software with a scrolling mark. I've added it to my cam. I read watermarks were easy to remove by pirates but what about scrolling watermarks? And it made it big and put it in the middle of the screen. I'll be willing to remove it for my paying regs but not for peepers.

With imlive, it doesn't seem to happen as much, huh? I see that there's one site in particular that's horrible about it.

What is the point of pirating? For money? Fun? Many of the men I talk to seriously are there to get attention and don't seem like piraters because they spend way too much money just talking and not asking for extreme stuff.

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Dec 11 11 5:05 PM

Hi Newgirl..

Some of the pirates who post the top models from MFC daily may in fact working as part of their promotional team advertizing that model's brand...

Others may be "confederates" of the web content providers who sometimes sponsor these pirate threads and use them to advertize themselves. Everytime you click on a screencap on the pirate forum, one is immediately taken to a "pop-up" link to a Model's room on either *LJ*, or Streamate and sometimes even MFC.

So it seems we are dealing with a kind of partnership between pirates and web-pimps.

The rest are seeking to gain points with the file-sharing sites which reflect the number of times their video and screencap files are downloaded..

You can look at our exchanges with some of the leading pirates about their motivations in the Archived posts in Models and Members Issues.

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Dec 15 11 3:57 PM

Somebody posed a question on SW very similar to the question that newgirl asked here.. And here are some of the responses she got... It's encouraging to see that the SW gals are no longer pulling their punches on privacy/piracy issues.
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I started camming last month on Imlive. I did look into other sites and even though the others pay more, they had a lot of issues with pirating. Especially MFC. I like that on Imlive I can turn off the option of allowing guests to record my sessions/take pics.

Ok, so I'm a little worried about piracy. How often does it happen? Does it happen to more popular cam models? I'm assuming the ladies here have been camming for a while and are probably pro's. Of the thousands who cam, realistically, how many get pirated?

The issue with me is that I don't want other people to view my vids without me getting paid each time. I also despise how women are labeled on those tube sites. Horrible! I am a professional, doubtful that in my career anyone would care if I ever were a cam model so it's not a career issue, but a personal one.

Can someone give me any information as to the type of people these pirates are? Are they big spenders? Or are they beggars? I've developed about five regular spenders who spend a lot of money on me and I wonder if those types of clients fit the bill? I NEVER show anything in free live chat. I also rarely show my face, sometimes in FLC I show my face but I NEVER show my face in a private video. I know it doesn't make as much money, but that's just me.

And not to be cliche, but yes I am a college student who needs to pay for tuition lol. And I can't work a traditional job. Other than the piracy stuff, I have no hang ups at all. My husband is ok with it and he likes to join in on our couple account!

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Hi, this question has been asked many, many times before here and unfortunately the answer is there is no answer.
Your chances of being recorded and being posted on a tube site are not going to vary no matter what site it is or what kind of custy you are performing for, if they want to record you and have the means to do it, they will. Lots of people would never even think of recording a camgirl, many wouldn't want to do it because they like the LIVE experience, that's why they come to us anyways... others might record you but keep it completely to themselves for personal use and never share it with anyone, but of course there is the chance they post it elsewhere/share it on a tube site.
If you are going to be a camgirl you have no control over that, it's a risk you need to take in this business which is why many people who are intrigued by it choose not to do it. So, in answer to your question, anyone can fit the bill, and unless you find your video and remember who the show was for, it will be hard if not impossible to figure out who did it.
That being said, there is a chance of it never happening to you too, and the fact you do not show your face will probably lower your chances, but it will not eliminate them.
You just never know.

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Roast

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Hi, this question has been asked many, many times before here and unfortunately the answer is there is no answer.

Your chances of being recorded and being posted on a tube site are not going to vary no matter what site it is or what kind of custy you are performing for, if they want to record you and have the means to do it, they will. Lots of people would never even think of recording a camgirl, many wouldn't want to do it because they like the LIVE experience, that's why they come to us anyways... others might record you but keep it completely to themselves for personal use and never share it with anyone, but of course there is the chance they post it elsewhere/share it on a tube site.

If you are going to be a camgirl you have no control over that, it's a risk you need to take in this business which is why many people who are intrigued by it choose not to do it. So, in answer to your question, anyone can fit the bill, and unless you find your video and remember who the show was for, it will be hard if not impossible to figure out who did it.

That being said, there is a chance of it never happening to you too, and the fact you do not show your face will probably lower your chances, but it will not eliminate them.

You just never know.

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In response to the original question: pirates come in all shapes and wallet sizes. the higher your placement and bigger your fan base the more likely you are to get pirated, but it can happen to anyone. and sometimes for whatever reason it doesn't happen. but it's better to count on it happening than not - especially since the site is already recording your shows and distributing them anyway.

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Questions.. Questions....this time from Internet Cam Girls...

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what are some of the ways I can protect my privacy?

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Sunday, November 06, 2011
I am a public school teacher and just started web-camming because my debt is crushing me and I need money to stay afloat. I am scared of losing my teaching job if I get found by anyone who knows me. Is web-camming nude a reason for a teacher to be fired, like, legally?

(Editor's notes: In many (or most) areas, you can be fired for almost any reason without any recourse. As a teacher, it is almost certain that you would be fired if it is found out you are performing as a webcam chick.)

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Thursday, November 03, 2011
Hello, as someone who has not done this yet, and am thinking about it. Can someone PLEASE tell him some names of companies that only have "view only" services and do not allow recording? Thank you. I am super nervous about someone finding a video of me in the future.

Unfortunately the answer is still the same...

THERE IS NO SAFE WAY TO DO THIS JOB ON A "BIG-BOX" CAM SITE WITHOUT BEING RECORDED AND POSTED ON A PIRATE FORUM.

Since it's not a question of "if" but "when," This job is not a safe one for graduate students, law enforcement, officers, nurses, pediatricians, and teachers, to perform. The odds that you will be outed to future employers by a simple "Google search" are quite high.

This is not a "scare tactic," as one of our former members once denounced us, when told that it was a "dead certainty" that she would be recorded and posted on MFC. Less than six months later her complaint was not about "scare tactics" but about her "stolen pussy" being exposed online repeatedly by her regular, premium "custies."

EB

And yes indeed, the pirate trolls do not only want to "fuck the girls and make them sigh," but above all else, also "to make them cry."
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UncleLewis

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Dec 30 11 6:03 PM

Here's an excellent thread on SW on the privacy/piracy issue that I want to share with all of you here..It deals not only with the risk that sex work online represents to one's future career path, but specifically with why Camming and porn work may represent a higher risk to one's future career options in today's tight labor market, leaving you locked into the "porno-girl ghetto."

So make no mistake, camming to pay down student debt or get that degree may very well be a future career killer if a future employer does an indepth background check.. This industry represents the perfect "Catch 22" situation - where sex work is the only available job choice that allows one to invest in higher education without becoming a "bond-servant" to one's student debt, and yet could represent grounds for termination when and if your sex work career comes to light. And of course it will...
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Here's the original question from a newbie cam model who's also a nursing student.

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Hey Ladies Happy Holidays

Sorry for the bummer post but I am seriously bummed out. I was just getting started with camming thing. Making money goals and plans and I knew from the start that I could be found out by people I know ( not too much of a big deal, I would just deny deny deny or tell them to fuck off depending on the person) But from doing more research it seems like there is a paper trail that is made from camming (ie background checks) I was going to cam to support myself but I am only doing it to get me through nursing school. I want so badly to be a nurse and I would die if this came up on a background check. Thoughts? Ideas? Similar situations??? I think this means I am going to have to struggle for god knows how long!!! thanks

And here are some replies by senior models on the SW board.
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I would think that if you want to be a nurse, then you shouldn't cam. It's pretty much one or the other, unless you want to live in fear that you won't find work as a nurse because of your camming history, thus making your very expensive and time consuming degree worthless. Maaybe you would still be able to find a job, but it will be a hindrance, especially considering how many other people are going into nursing right now. It can be very competitive, at least in metropolitan areas. You might be better off finding another part time job for the moment being.

It sounds like you really want to be a nurse, but if you're having doubts you should definitely spend some time thinking about what you value in life and where you want to see yourself in the next year, 5, 10, 15 years.

Think about what will make you happy and be most fulfilling to you, not necessarily what "expectations" you or others have placed on you.

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I agree, however, you've been camming so that means the papertrail is already out there. If you made over $600 this year, you have to report it on your taxes, and the cam company will also report it whether or not they issue you a 1099. But yes, if you ever plan to work in: education, with children, health care, politics, or various other industries that care, then you shouldn't cam. If you ever want to adopt, you shouldn't cam (I don't know if it would affect you, but it would certainly hurt your chances).

Camming is only good if: you are 100% sure you want to make it your career & plan to work as many hours as possible, you plan to start your own business, you plan to always be self-employed, and/or you will work in an industry that won't care (there are very few of these).

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I have read articles about some pornstars who have earned doctorates

But that's usually in things psychology or something research related... Clinical psychology, sexology, womens studies. The psychology industry does not seem to care much about if the girl has worked in the adult industry or not before, because, chances are she's still focusing on things related to sex or something in that realm. If anything, the industry helped her make connections & the degree helped her to hustle more jobs and build her brand. I've thought about doing a doctorate. The psych industry would likely only care if she planned to work with children or in a school setting, which is a big no-no. Even being a therapist calls for self-employment so she'd be fine, and her "name" (brand) would allow her to hustle clients & charge whatever she wants. However, not many industries think this way.

And the industry is changing. I swear, like 25% of the top pornstars have gotten mainstream acting roles in the last couple years $$$$. Check their IMDB's. So opportunities are arising in the adult industry, but jobs in the adult industry are also becoming more competitive & pay a lot less than they used to, so its even harder to get noticed now I'm sure... unless you're willing to do a lot for little pay in hopes that it opens up doors (which does happen). But in regards to "vanilla" careers, I haven't seen "vanilla" industries (excluding the entertainment or artistic industries) becoming more tolerant of the adult industry.

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Well I'm not sure nursing would care... I think it depends what area. There's always a not-too-well-known blonde ex-girlfriend of Hugh Hefner (I don't want to type her name, you can PM me if curious... she's one of the 7 gfs back in the early 00's) who did a lot of glamour nude print work. She never did any video or live stuff though. She's now a beauty nurse who went to school for nursing (registered) and esthetics (licensed). She works in a plastic surgeron's office though, so it might be different. But the surgeon is a top plastic surgeon in the world whose office is in Beverly Hills. If anything, in the case of this girl, her semi-adulty career actually helped her build connections (to get her job) & potential clientelle. In fact, this surgeon has a strong working relationship with Hugh Hefner, so I'm sure that's how she ended up getting the job. I think, if you plan to work with children in any form (including nursing), adult work might be an issue from our annoying society's point of view. But otherwise, if you are solely working with people 18+, it won't be. However, with general nursing, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have a choice of who you could & couldn't work with unless you went into something specific like becoming a beauty nurse.

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This is something I think the strippers of the board my have some insight to be honest, because since forever, women have been putting themselves through school by stripping, earned their degress and have gone on to other careers. One on here told her story after she passed the bar, hung up her heels and is now a lawyer working for a firm. There was also a lady who was getting a goverment job and worried how stripping would affect that, and a few other ladies spoke up with their experiences that they were able to land gvt jobs and get security clearances with stripping on their record.

If strippers go on to have successful careers after college, and many of them not only pay taxes, but also have to apply for a license all of which come up in background checks, I dont understand why a cam girl can not consider the same options. I do see how being outed for being in porn or escorting would affect someone because that has a major stigma attached to it, but stripping is a mainstream means to an end for many college girls, and cam has become very mainstream as well.

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I think the real issue is camming & porn are a much bigger deal (and grounds for termination) when compared to stripping or escorting... One is on the internet forever, and the other one is not at all. Meaning, in their eyes, one is out there for children to see, and the other is not.

Basically, the whole issue comes down to: "are their children involved in any way?" or "are you taking a role model or major leadership position?" If the answer to the career path you're interested in is "yes" to either of those, then steer clear of camming or porn. Stripping or escorting is a completely different territory, and while there may be a paper trail, it likely won't catch up with you as intense as camming will. Especially if said stripper was not issued (or did not attach) a 1099. Video is forever.

With stripping, its subjective. Didn't Avalon/Brittney Ireland post a story of how a girl was perfectly happy in her new career until a picture or a video teaser from her being a stripper accidently got into the hands of her employer, and he quickly terminated her, or something? Yeah, I'd be much more worried about the video than the paper trail in the case of industries who care. I think that's why so many girls opt out of camming and stick to dancing.

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Why don't you hide your face in free chat and pvt chat ?

Most sites require you show your face. Some sites just enforce the rules more than others. And even if you hid your face, they'd still have your body. They'd still have your voice. Not to mention a huge decrease in money because men are paying for your personality & "your brand" most of all. But regardless, its the same argument that others have made before. "I do non-nude!" "I only offer fetish" "I don't even do anything adult, I just dance around!" The fact of the matter is: Its still a sex site. Its still catering to men who are compulsively jacking off to whatever you are (or aren't doing). And that's all potential employers are caring about. Its the industry as a whole, not what you do in particular.

Just avoid all this by not working in the adult industry if you are ever going to work with children in any way, or if you are ever attempting a leadership or role model position. Even if you never got caught (though the odd are not in your favor... you'll probably be outed sooner or later), do you really want to live in fear of being exposed & losing your the job you really wanted & went to school for, for your whole life? Like, that has to take a toll on your body & quality of life somehow anyway. And we all know what happens... it gets on the news and make you look like an irresponsible idiot, which sucks. Our society sucks. The world sucks. But unfortunately, we aren't the one who run or "own" it, so we can't do much about it except play along.

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Fact of the matter is that we make good money BECAUSE there is such a stigma against the adult industry. If it were acceptable or normal the market would flood. Not to mention we'd lose all the clientele that gets off on the whole concept of feeling like they are degrading women or want to save us.

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UncleLewis

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Jan 9 12 3:50 PM

Read what is said here about "face-recognition" technology.
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Models. You need to realize this right now. ANY time you put something on the internet, it is there FOREVER. It can never be eliminated, and eventually it will be found by someone who you'd rather not find it.

Perhaps somewhat strongly stated, but not completely unreasonable.

Some models are 'safer' than others.
Only interesting content stays around.

If you're #854 on Miss MFC, and you do 'vanilla' shows - maybe nobody will be saving it.
Or if they do, they're the type that is saving everything, and probably not indexing it.

The risk is pretty much limited to a pretty small chance of one of your hardcore of fans recognising you in 15 years, and digging out that old, dusty blu-ray of old streams.

For more popular models, or unusualy hot shows, there is likely to be video floating around.

But - in 15 years - who is going to be watching bad quality 320*240 streams, when they could be watching 'fresh' content.

There is another risk though.

While the risk of random fans recognizing you (models, not bawksy (unless he's on some of the mancam sites)) is there, and will always be present, at the moment there is no easy way to search video for particular people.

I would expect this to change in the next 15-30 years.

It's probably already available today in a limited form somewhere - being able to search video for blue eyed females with a C cup, BMI of 18 or whatever, and a scar on their left arm.

But not yet able to take one video clip (say you getting off the plane on the arm of the president (and this time I do mean bawksy) and automatically searching for a 20 years younger person in all stored videos.

I would expect this to change.

It's - probably - unlikely that the whole MFC video archive will leak, so it's not quite as simple as being able to search all of MFC for a matching model to that clip.

Also - while of course they could record everything, and they may record snapshots - and certainly group and private shows, are they really going to be spending around a couple of thousand dollars a day to archive everything?

So - any exposure by this route would depend on how many videos the average person that thought to do the scan had, and how easy it was.

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Feb 2 12 12:12 PM

Comments on Streamate's use of their models shows for promotional material across the net..
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I cried when i seen it...ive been recorded

I know what i do and i knew that it could happen in my line of work,even though i got the video removed(gold show), I still thought that only happened to super hot chicks with banging bodies who are well fan based. pffft not wxxlxxlxx the little six 7 month newbie...Think again ...Someone's out here doing it, so be prepared .It will happen at some point. but really the thing that bothered me was that it was free for anyone to see (I'm better now and just accepted that it comes with the territory). The tears came from me feeling: "what if someone tried to kill me?" There's a difference in paying customers who see you - versus millions who see you for free. "those are big number difference of actual naked views of you. My hubby said baby it's in your contract . I said yes by streamate not some underground sex site

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Re: I cried when i seen it...ive been recorded

Streamate posted those. And Streamate gives them to affiliates FOR FREE to post where ever they'd like. Just FYI. It likely wasn't a guy. Could have been, but it was probably Streamate themselves. Hence "Streamate" being in the title. They think it brings them traffic. They do this to all porn tube sites, on torrent sites, as popups on adult sites, and I'm sure a bunch of other sneaky & creepy places/ways we don't even know about yet.

If a random customer posted your show, or a third party affiliate that got it for free, it wouldn't say "Streamate" in it or as a tag, and probably wouldn't have your username in it either unless your username is your stage name on cam. Even then, a lot of posted vids have no username / name / site name on them, so you'd just have to stumble across any others out there. But trust me, they are out there. Not trying to scare you, just being honest.

they really do not care about the girls at all. They are a self-serving business, like all cam sites. All they are about is profit, their reputation, not breaking the law/legality (which they don't because you sign the documents before you're allowed to stream so all future legality issues are on you the performer), and getting the word out about their site. Pretty much they just want to bring clientele to the site. They only put the name of the girl in case the guy likes the girl and wants to spend more, but in reality, they could care less where they get the profit from as long as they are making more & more of a profit, which they are. What they fail to tell you is that each girl, on average is making less & less. You'll be okay if you brand yourself though. But be prepared for mass spams of your shows anywhere and everywhere if you work on that site.

And now we hear from Roast.. So STFU!.. the Lady is talking.. Listen to her.

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Re: I cried when i seen it...ive been recorded

OP, hey I know a few are going to say just shut up and deal - but as someone who has found myself many times: every time it startles and pisses me off. Everytime.

No, not pisses me off, pisses me the fuck off. It angers me for a bunch of reasons that are hard to succinctly sum here - but one primarily that bothers me is that I think we've all been lulled into a sense of complacency about it: Like ho-hum, lalala, oh our contracts say that? Oh well, they probably do, I didnt read it anyway. Deal or die, wtf is wrong with you, nyah nyah, oh well, whomp whomp, just a part of the business.

No. Forget that shit. Inevitability and complacency are not synonymous. We arent employees of these sites, dont get lulled into a sense of immobility just because it is easy to do so.

Trading camgirl's content like it is just a natural internet behavior or free exchange of information is really just a cover for sex work stigmatization, shoddy understanding of free enterprise, and aboveall misogyny. Watch where it goes and take it down and start a shit list. Trade names of customers who are rumored to do this. Watch piracy sites every so often to get an idea of strategies and tactics. Read your contracts carefully. Work on sites where copyright is not forfeited in your contract so youre not heavily reliant on working *only* sites where it is and are giving business to site owners who actually give a thought or give a fuck even about the sustainability of internet porn. If youre on sites where you do forfeit copyright an you dislike the video recorded: try to get it taken down anyway - it may not be "your product" contractually but it is *you*.... cant hurt to deal with it anyway. Making an attempt, even if it is unsuccessful, sends a message.

There are many many ways to market your performers - partnerships with tube sites are really only just one method. Too many cam sites just rely on that and end up basically playing paddycake with people who wont ever pay for anything.

Btw, you dont forfeit copyright on every live camming and clips site guys. You dont. Please read your contracts and then DMCA carefully. That's a myth. It is critical we arm ourselves with info.

I admit Ive given away content as a way to promote - Ive posted on tube sites my own configuration of clips as a way to self-promote. I think there are ways that it works very well...

...but I mean people like [porn star] have talked on twitter about having thousands of her videos that she owns copyright to and the sense of relief she got from it. Many porn stars and directors who are supposed to be 'used to' being pirated still hate it, sue, and talk about it often... and work towards autonomy from contracts or creating their own products so they control where it goes because of this. Getting your stuff taken down is a relief. I get it. Sorry, most of the people who Ive seen say "just shut up and deal" if you directly ask - have never found themselves or intentionally dont bother to look or dont plan to cam for more than a few months (sometimes all of the above). That is a different approach to finding yourself than someone in it for the long haul, determined to brand, and who ultimately does not want to rely exclusively on 1 website.

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Feb 2 12 4:37 PM

To Roast.... I lol, but admire your spirit and understand your anger!!!

All models should read their Contract..... models don't have rights to submit DCMA notices.

Models don't have any control over the content they broadcast to a 3rd party web sites. They can do whatever they like with your live videos...

They can share it with friends
They can sell it to a 4th party .
They can post it for Free on Pirate forums.
They can wank to it during their coffee break

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Trading camgirl's content like it is just a natural internet behavior or free exchange of information is really just a cover for sex work stigmatization, shoddy understanding of free enterprise, and above all misogyny

How do the owners of cam site Stigmatize sex workers?

Yes, it's free enterprise...

When a cam site that has copyright over content, posts it on a Pirate site or sells the content, they do so in expectation of an increase in revenue to their busisness...... not because of Misogyny

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.and above all misogyny

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and above all misogyny

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and above all misogyny

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and above all misogyny

Rubbish........................... the Perverts don't hate, they love cam girls in the abstract, in a perverted sort of way ....

It's mainstream society that stigmatized sex workers, not your customers... The people who own Your content trade it to make money, .... for people who own your content you're a " product" and nothing more... They are not pimps, they don't hate women, they could be selling Cheese, or a burger or a car, or some fancy piece of art... first and foremost to the owners of copyright to your video feed , you're a product!!... and a product to be traded , sold, for every$$ they can squeeze

It's more plausible that the men who are addictive to pornography are Misogynisst .... and you being on cam and selling your product feeds the fooder addict member that enforces misogynistic behavior

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Hey newcamgirl,

I work on iml since many years and so far they didnt publish any of the shows. Of course, there can be other issues like when the clients do print sreen rec. When you call a member, your name doenst appear, your phone number might appear, check out if you can call with hidden identity.

About the regular guy who gets pushy, make him understand that he deserves your time only if he comes in a show and that you are there for work and have a target to do, not chit chat. He might even spend more. ;-)

Good luck.

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the Perverts don't hate, they love cam girls in the abstract, in a perverted sort of way ....

It's mainstream society that stigmatized sex workers, not your customers...

I agree

Guys,
The girl asked specifically about IML, a site you are not familiar to

For sure there are some things cam models can do to avoid being posted, even if it's not 100% guarantee they wont be.
Even on MFC there are models who do non nude and they bank, so posting a profile of one who sells anal crampie videos it not really representative.

Just trying to discourage the cam girls without putting anything instead, wont make the cam girls to not work, they will just work more stressed

PS> I did took off my posted show on a hosting site, by sending DMCA notice.

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Even on MFC there are models who do non nude and they bank, so posting a profile of one who sells anal cream-pie videos is not really representative.

Just trying to discourage the cam girls without putting anything instead, wont make the cam girls to not work, they will just work more stressed

Camgirl, it might also encourage them to work on another kind of site than the "big-box" cam content providers where they are sure to get whacked.. AW for instance..or ImLive are safer alternatives.

There's an open thread on SW started by one of their senior model members discussing whether she should stay "Non-Nude" or go "Nude." Opinion was very mixed over whether she could change without ruining her "brand," or survive on that site while working as a "non-nude" model. But clearly the competitive pressure to go "nude" and perform gonzo- style, sex shows in free chat is enormous.. A few of the older MFC models - I'm thinking of Lexxixxx for instance- have managed to buck the trend and stay dressed in free chat - while still making bank and keeping up their cam-score - but most of the established models from the Romanian, Russian and Ukrainian studios are now working most of their shift in the nude for tips....And that seems to be true on Chaturbate and Streamate too..

Needless to say, hour long videos of these models' shows turn up on the pirate forums within a few hours from the time when they were actually performed - and sometimes even while they're still on cam and working their regular shift..

I have manged to regain my access to the "Premium Lounge" on MFC, (I won't say how), and have had chance to observe some of the new models who have come on line in the past 12 months - and of course listen into the premium member chatter. And over the past month, I have noted two trends - one old and one new.

The independent entrepreneurs among the American, British and Canadian models are still using MFC successfully as a platform to advertise their own web-sites, promote "raffles" or sell their home-made "content" - either "used panties," hard-core picture sets, or videos as in the ad you can see above. This is called diversifying and maximizing your "revenue stream," but it also makes them vulnerable to having their content stolen and their personal info exposed.

There's also a whole new contingent of "Women of Color" from studios in Colombia, Panama, Santa-Domingo and Venezuela who look more like experienced sex workers than naive university students. Many of them are performing the kind of very hard core, "scat and pee" shows in free chat that used to be the monopoly of the Filipinas... It ain't necessarily pretty, but there's a great deal of "extreme content" being performed in open rooms on MFC - all the damn time...As one premium member complained to the rest of the lounge the other day "there are so many squirters on here, that it's hard to keep up with them all..." And most of that kind of stuff gets recorded and posted instantly..

All of this, is more than enough reason for new models to look elsewhere for cam work.. A list of alternative sites is up in "Hot Stuff" for our model members inspection.

So, as the old slogan goes, in a Neo-liberal, global economy: "the screw always keeps turning and always cutting downward."

UL

Photo: A pirated but funny screencap of a Canadian Cam-model on MFC whose shows are a mix of witty "rants" on politics and life, and "hot cum shows" that are performed in free chat. Needless to say massive files of her shows have been posted on forumophilia's pirate forums at least six times in the past month by DSK and Nairrobbi. As she knows very well, " 'cause she heard it on the grapevine." Lol.
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Feb 4 12 6:36 PM

well, I personal know a romanian model who earns 2000/week doing non nude in free chat and also has her private/group option disabled. If she can, others can too.
I don't think it's a "competitive pressure to go "nude" " when there are plenty of nude in free chat that don't earn even close to that number. It's just an assumed choice and each model should think with her own mind.

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Feb 5 12 2:27 AM

Tisk, tisk, UncleLewis, what did you do to be striped of your access to the Premium Lounge?

It is a mystery to me how a few models are able to earn significant money without doing shows. I think something other than performing on a webcam is going on.

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Feb 5 12 3:17 AM

Call it luck or good karma.
She does do shows though, but only on skype with people who tipped a significant amount, over 2000 tokens in a shot. Standards differ from model to model

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Feb 5 12 3:17 PM

I don't know PolarBear, but I suspected that it had something to do with a) distributing our infamous "MFC Information" email to too many newby models and b) notifying one too many models about their pirated shows. Ofc, MFC support swore there was never a block on my account, and I could always access my mailbox and archives. What I couldn't do was see chat in any of the rooms, although I could see the video feeds, and could always read the chat if I logged on as a "guest."

Recently I got MacKeeper which allowed me to clean up my cache more thoroughly than ever before, and voila, I am back.. So maybe it was just a technical glitch all along - as MFC support keeps telling people... Am I that stuuuupid? Go Figure...

Camgirl, my impression is that many Romanian, Russian, Slovak and Ukrainian studio models don't have that much choice over the sites where they appear..It depends on the web-sites where their studios have contracts. So the "choice" is one assumed by the studio, not by the girls who work for them.. who just have to do their best to meet their monthly quotas of tokens or minutes.

Ofc, this doesn't hold for independent models who pick the web-sites where they sign up.

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Feb 6 12 5:55 AM

UncleLewis, your description sounds like what happens when a user is "ignored." Strange glitches happen on MFC frequently.

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QUOTE (UncleLewis @ February 05, 2012 10:17 am)

What I couldn't do was see chat in any of the rooms, although I could see the video feeds, and could always read the chat if I logged on as a "guest."

Technical glitch or not, why not log into your premium account on, let's say Firefox, and then open up a different browser like, let's say SeaMonkey and just be a regular guest?

One time, I had Firefox, Safari, Chrome and SW Ironware opened up and I logged onto each browser with a different account. I wanted to show my friend that the virtual world is a spooky place, you never know who is typing and pecking away at a keyboard. All four of me chatting. I'm a lousy actor. And my chat-type skills manifest in obvious ways. Nonetheless, there all of I was at the same time.

I think I also have four facebook accounts. And dozens of email accounts. This forum here is one of the few in which I enter up only as me. Even bank accounts, they give you those and I take them (any suggestions how to fill them, they empty kind of fast).

Once, i gave a co-worker my login and password to mfc and he was happened to log into the same model room as me, two people, one account, that's like being possessed or maybe like being a conjoined twin.

I don't have any mfc accounts now, btw. I just wanted to make my accountancy suggestion and share a couple of anecdotes.

p.s. Since I mentioned different browsers, SeaMonkey is my favorite, then Firefox. They're almost interchangeable. Chrome, Ironware, Safari and IE all behave unpredictably for me.

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