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Dec 23 11 6:27 PM

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cool.gif No comment possible.. :The Memorable Quote For the Day" from a Stripper - not a cam-girl - but it could have been... Ouch!

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Re: We're There To Make Money

While I admire your positivity for the job, I can't say the same for me. After nearly six years of bs from these guys I'm a bit bitter. I don't like my custies, not a single one. Sure, some of them may be nice and I may feel bad for the occasional guy who can't get a woman's attention unless he pays her, but overall I could care less if I make them happy or not. I think deep down I secretly resent them all for being there. I strip for the money and that's it. I'm not saying its all bad. I think talking, being complemented, drinking and dancing for pay is a pretty good deal, but I wouldn't glamorize the position like you have. There's nothing glamorous about it.



And here's the runner up for second place in the Stripper Hall of Fame for hard-boiled, plain spoken honesty. Ouch!

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Dxx, here's the thing: it's ALL about money, pal. Why do you think dancers put up with grabby hands, roaming fingers, licking, biting, tweaking, hitting, slapping, cocks whipping out, would-be rapists, emotionally abusive assholes, cum stains, self-important floaters, annoying DJs, terrible management, cold as shit air conditioning, drunk college kids, cheapskate millionaires, PUA wannabes, unfair tip-outs, long hours with no customers, and wannabe saviors?

It's a fucked up world we live in with fucked up customers.



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Dec 23 11 6:43 PM

Why "no comment", lol.

Do you know how many women who work as cam models have said the same thing?

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I don't like my custies, not a single one. Sure, some of them may be nice and I may feel bad for the occasional guy who can't get a woman's attention unless he pays her, but overall I could care less if I make them happy or not. I think deep down I secretly resent them all for being there.


Some have said, and I quote....

" They are all assholes. They are disgusting."

Some models really dislike having to deal with all the bullshit. They deal with it, because without these custies, they would make no money.

It ain't what it all appears to be, regardless what some say.

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here's the thing: it's ALL about money, pal.


Taking candy from mindless children. Carry on, guys.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Apr 20 12 12:19 AM

cool.gif Oh well, I thought the real answer might be something like this...
EB

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Re: Do u actually watch cam2cam?

    I don't watch them. I keep an eye on them so I can look suitably enraptured when they cum or do something I should comment on. Mostly I watch the timer so I can work out how much money I'm making!

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Apr 26 12 10:00 PM

Well I guess this confirms what Vodka told us oh so many years ago about "dirty" strip clubs..and is one more reason why strippers are flocking to camming.
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Confessions of an extras girl

    After 4 years in the biz, i finally did what i swore that i would never do. Ive been fuckin and suckin in the champagne room.

    I'll explain further here because I can't tell anyone I know. I swear I will take this to my grave because no one can know that I went back on every promise I ever made to myself, my family and my friends.

    I deplore extras girls!"Take that shit out of the club!" "We're a fantasy, not the real thing!" "These bitches make it harder for the rest of us!" Yet here I stand.
    I started doing this for several reasons.

    1. Im a little heavier than I'd like, and too intimidated to apply at an upscale club. Therefore I work in a club outside of the city that while nice, is known for being a whorehouse.

    2. It's a full contact, full nude, full liqour club. Boob grabbing and heavy grinding come standard with the $30 dance.

    3. We have around 25 girls on a saturday night, and most of them arent that attractive. Our customer base is mostly local young guys who come to buy a few dances and drink beer.
    We get the occasional baller. The girls who are attractive mostly spend their nights in the CR because the floor guys hook them up with customers. The floor guys are basically
    pimps. They only hook u up if they know you give extras.And they take 20% of the room $.

    4.I just moved to a city on my own, no family, no day job (im in school). and no way to eat or pay rent if i dont make money at this club. Its very stressful knowing that i have no safety net and im on my own.

    5. Ive been poor all my life. I moved to the big city so I could lead a glamorous lifestyle and get all the things I never had like groceries that were bought with cash not food stamps.

    6. Our house fees are stupid high. They end up taking more than half of everything u make. 200-300 was my average take home with lots of 0 nights sprinkled in. its hard to sell dances in a whorehouse.

    7. Since I started doin wht i do in the back ive walked with 500 to 1200 a night.
    I charge 500 plus the cost of the room. (175 for 15, 300 for 30 min. I get 120 or 170). I have let 2 guys get away with giving me 300 plus the room because thats all they had and i had already spent alot of time talking to them I didnt feel good about selling my pussy for that cheap. I wont do it again.(but who am i to say what i wont do? I said I wouldnt turn into a prostitute too..)

    The first time i crossed my boundaries a few months ago, was when this really drunk guy came in after winning at the casino.
    He bought dances, then said yes to the CR, he said he wanted to eat my pussy. I jokingly told him it'd be $500. He paid it.

    Since it was a cash tip, the club didnt know about it, and i didnt have to fork over half of it.
    It was all mine.
    Plus at the end of the night, the club gave me the 170 for the room. (which i did have to tip out on.)

    Thats when i realized the only way to make real money at this club was to make money they dont know about...

    The first time I fucked was the next day.
    I hadnt even made enough for my 200 flat rate and was gonna go home empty handed ( I have a 3 hour one way communt on trains and buses, and often miss class or homework in order to go to work. Im usually exhausted. To talk to guys all night, show my tits, get naked for dances, and have my knees and back in pain from stage, then have a 3 hour ride home with nothing is soul crushing.)

    Anyway, this guy wouldnt get a dance because he said he wanted more.
    I had a few drinks and i dont know wht came over me but i said lets do it.
    in all of 4 years i had always said no, but in one sweeping moment all my morals came crashing down.

    In the room i got naked, he put on a condom, and i sat down on it and grinded just like i was giving a normal lapdance.
    his dick was small.
    it didnt feel any different from giving regular lapdance. i was shocked at how something i had been adamantly avoiding for so long felt exactly the same as something i do millions of times every night.
    5 seconds later he was done, we hugged and i walked with 500 that night, when i had been crying earlier because i thought i was going home with nothing.

    Ever since then pussy has been on the menu.

    its been all tourists, guys just passing through.
    no local wants to pay 700+ for cooch. So im like a novelty they can regret when they get home.

    Even though all the guys have came (yes, i use condoms, even for oral), i feel like he's dissapointed at the end.
    It's like after they come they realize the ridiculous amount of money they just spent.
    I feel guilty like I'm not a good enough time.

    But then i realize that i just let an old fat white guy put his dick in me.
    so i deserve to be compensated. sorry if it wasnt worth it to u...

    regardless, i am officially a prostitute.
    I realized that maybe i should look into escorting, but i checked it out and the prices are just too low to risk my safety like that.

    At the club i can always run out the room and be surrounded by a bunch of huge floor guys within 5 seconds.

    Also because my club is so dirty, im not hurting anyone elses money. 99% of the girls there do extras. And most of them charge alot less than i do...some do it for the price of the room...

    Maybe i should try to work at a nicer club where i can make good money without sex. im liking this money right now though and im scared to leave it.

    Sorry for the ramble, i just had to tell someone.


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Apr 29 12 11:37 PM

Interesting take on strip club custies from an observant and articulate dancer.
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Abusive Antisocial Custies

    Have you seen this guy lately at your club? He on the loose and looking to piss on your night!
    ASPD is deficit of conscience. The individual (most commonly male) lacks the ability to feel and thus demonstrate concern for others. He experiences no empathy for the plight of others and feels no guilt or remorse if his conduct injures those he encounters. He does not experience anxiety over his behavior unless his personal safety, security, freedom, wealth, etc., is threatened. Essentially, he can perform any behavior to intentionally injure another and feel no guilt or remorse.

    He feels that he is above the law; that laws were written for others, not him. When caught for a legal violation, he will rationalize his behavior, and if at all possible, eliminate his culpability by placing the blame on another. The young woman date raped by an ASPD will find herself under scrutiny; the ASPD attacker accusing the victim of provocative, seductive, "she really wanted it" behavior. He will use date rape drugs in a blink of the eye without any concern for the victim.
    It is not until all escape routes are blocked that he will throw himself on the mercy of the court. He will theatrically present tears of remorse. However, his only remorse is that he was caught and cannot escape the consequence. He will continue to manipulate right up until the jail door slams.
    ASPD - Intelligence

    Another serious variable is intelligence; the higher the level of intelligence, the more covert the behavior. Highly intelligent ASPDs will manipulate others to do his "dirty work". He is the true "Con Man". He presents gregarious, articulate, and attractive mannerisms that demonstrate a sincere interest in others; only a well staged theatrical production.
    ASPD - Violence
    Is he capable of violence? Absolutely. If his needs require violence, he will utilize it. If he feels that you’ve violated him or failed to meet his expectations, he will execute retaliation. His level of "direct" violence is directly related to his level of intelligence and thoughts about escaping without consequence.

    Read more at Suite101: Characteristics of Antisocial Personalty: Interview with Psychologist Dr. Duane Dobbert on Antisocial Traits | Suite101.com http://tami-port.suite101.com/charac...#ixzz1tI1bmLsH




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May 5 12 1:09 PM

cool.gif EB.

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Re: Things to consider before going all out in the sex industry

    I'm with CamWxxxx! I am in school but honestly I am not ashamed of anything I do, I love my job and I think people need to relax and realize there is nothing wrong with sex and fetishes. People get so weird when anything sexual is brought up, a group of professional adults turned into a group of giggling, immature 12 year olds, it's RIDICULOUS! So when I have my masters and I begin working in my field I am just not going to worry about it and go toe to toe with anyone that has anything off color to say because there is nothing wrong with what I did in my past, period, and I will not allow anyone to make me feel like there is. I also save money and invest for a raining day, something I encourage everyone to do. Everyone is different and I realize there are situations where my attitude just won't work but I also believe there are people that are soo worried about their work in the adult industry that maybe they shouldn't be doing it. (That was not directed towards anyone, it's just my opinion)



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    I am concerned about it because I will not be doing this for life, this is just temp for me.
    I am working on getting my Psyd in clinical psych, so this is just something for at least a year for me...so I have considered how I might be "seen" but you know what???
    Right now I am just doing what I have to do...and thats how I see it. No one else is gonna pay my bills right now.

    "I'm only responsible for what I say. NOT for what you understand."




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    I knew a loooooong time ago I would never be a "career girl" or at least would never seek any position where having worked in the sex biz would matter. I don't want the kind of people in my personal life who would judge me for it either, so I just don't give a fuck.

    The one thing though, is I don't do anything on cam/video that I wouldn't want to be seen by...whoever. Not that I'm worried about being judged, but that I don't want the whole damn world to see up my crevices. LOL! I like to keep some things private. I do what I like and I'm making a small fortune with it. I'm fucken happy!





Now forget about all of the above, and just remember this..BB.
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May 8 12 11:45 PM

More of what she was really thinking when she signed off after earning less than minimum wage for the day.
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burned OUT !!

    ....

    If I see one more...

    "show me, but she did it, where from bb, can I see your.., bend over and..., ass baby, tits for gold bb, where from bb, u sure r sexy bb, foghorn-leghorn did a facial in free chat so do it now too bb, dumblondinfla rubs her pussy and shows her tits now you do it too bb, but she did it in her free chat why won't you bb", "where from bb", can I see your..", "bend over and...", "do you have sexy feet? Can I see them? smile bb, blow me a kiss bb, pusssyyy, babysit me for 20 minutes until my loneliness passes bb, pan down bb, I didn't as you to get naked bb I asked to see your outfit"

    ... I think I'm going to blow up my computer!!

    Fucking ANIMALS today!!. I looked after I logged off to find out wtf was going on and sure enough not only were they really doing drugs all over free chat today but there were gaping ass holes, messy facials, masturbation. I'm just sick to death!

    End rant.


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    I HEAR YA! IT was HORRIBLE yesterday,and after 5 hours of listening to custies remarks like that and a lot of 1 minute privates,I was beginning to feel burnt out and needing another job idea.
    * If you ever want to get things out of your system,try going into Nina's room on sm. She is on several cam sites at once, and just sits there and tells men what pieces of shit they are! She's so funny- I LOVE this girl! She says that she is crazy because she's been camming for 10 years. Nice to know what we that continue camming for that long will have to look forward to! LOL!
    Oh well, just imagine the discussion site for fast food workers- It would probably go like this-"If i have to ask ONE More person,do you want fries with that, I'm gonna explode!" Oh well,Until men stop ruling the world,we gals have to do what we have to do to survive,right?



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May 9 12 10:48 PM

EB..I am speechless..but not terribly surprised.
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Wasting my college degree?

    Hi ladies,

    I went to Duke. I got a BA in English. Finished with a 3.4 GPA which isn't bad for such a good school.

    But now the only job I can see myself doing is stripping. I don't want to work a 9-5, I want to live the Life of Riley, the life of leisure and activities I like. I want to be my own person and not be bossed around of forced to conform.

    There are many positives to stripping. There's a flexible schedule, money, nonconformity, sexual excitement, camaraderie and a feeling like life is a party. Although I'm sort of a loner and misanthrope, I open up to people at the club and feel comfortable interacting with people, which is required for every job. It may sound silly, but I feel accepted in who I am there. I would feel a sense of accomplishment if I became really good at it.

    But my mom spent so much money for me to go to Duke. I want to make her proud. I want to make use of the degree but at the same time I don't. I didn't even have a fun college experience because I was depressed at the time. I didn't even do study abroad and I've always wanted to travel to Brazil. So if I strip until I'm 40 and retire, it's like I wasted my degree and my intelligence.

    What do you think?

I Betcha She Was An English Major Too.
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May 12 12 11:59 PM

Another rant, Emile..but one worth attending to..
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I can't handle it (warning...rant)

    I just can't. I can't handle free chat.

    I think I am actually going to go insane.

    I took a week break from camming as my internet broke, and it took me like...5 whole days to psych myself up to start camming again.

    I don't know what's wrong with me though. I have been doing this for a year and have been FINE...in fact I love it.

    I really absolutely love giving cam shows. It makes me so happy when someone tells me after (which they frequently do) that I gave them the best show they have ever had.

    But the last couple of weeks have been hell for me. I just can't motivate myself to go on cam, because I KNOW I will have to deal with these endless fucking MORONS asking me the SAME.QUESTIONS,OVER.AND.OVER.AGAIN.

    Do you escort bb, where do you live bb, can I get a twirl bb, anal bb, fist bb, sex with a dog bb? turn around bb? bend over bb, phone bb? im wanking while watching you in free is that ok bb? do you dom bb? turn on my cam bb? go on, just take a sneaky peek bb? pee bb? poo bb? vomit bb? do you have nice feet bb? can i check bb?

    I reckon I'm having a burn out at the moment, but god, I really can't afford to right now. I have bills to pay and I am in bad debt.

    I don't know how I am going to get through it and I am so miserable because camming is what I really want to do at the moment. I love the sex industry and I really want to do well, and I know that I can!

    Like...I know that if I put the effort in, I could easily make a good amount of money. I have done. In fact apart from the obvious, general bad days, whenever I put the effort in and work longer than 4-6 hours, I make great money.

    But for example today....I barely made $40. And the reason for that is because I didn't stay on longer than about 20 minutes at a time. In fact I was probably only online in total for an hour and a half. However I have been trying to work all day. I have been dressed, made up, and set up to work all day. And I have just put it off, and put it off.

    Then I would force myself to get on, stay on for ten minutes and then just log off.

    I'm so frustrated at myself. I think it's some sort of burn out. I think as well I am just a bit depressed or something. For the last week it's not just camming I can't motivate myself to do. It's pretty much EVERYTHING.

    I can barely motivate myself to get out of bed and stop watching awful endless bad tv shows.

    I dont really know what I'm hoping for by posting this here. I know no one can hold my hand and force me to just GET ONLINE. Hmm.

    Sorry.



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May 13 12 9:23 PM

Hmmmm.
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You know you are a Stripper when.....

    When you and your friends complain to each other that you cant seem to respect men anymore. You either only see a penis or a wallet.




"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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May 15 12 6:31 PM

This quote is a reply to this speech by Melissa Farley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...d&v=D_rVxxdQ-3A
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Human Trafficking bad for Strippers

    There was a problem here where several clubs hired sex slaves. Did they know these girls (all were from Eastern Europe) were slaves? I don't know but they needed to go after the pimps to stop human trafficking. These women often didn't know they were going to be sex slaves. To me it doesn't matter whether they prostitute or not, if they are doing it against their will it's slavery.

    Something has to be done with prostitution though. The pimps and johns need to be arrested more often. I am NOT talking about escorts, etc. I am talking the streetwalkers who are usually pushed into for drugs or for pimps. I am talking about women brought to this country to be strippers or prostitute. Not arresting these women but the men who did it to them.

    Speaking of pimps, we don't want to admit this, but in many cases they are in strip clubs. There is another thread where someone mentioned how they are coming to her club. I've seen them in clubs myself and a club I worked at had them. I later found out a club I worked at had a manager who was pimping out girls. It's their choice but pimps are taking advantage of women. I once dated a guy who was a pimp and found out luckily. He seemed sweet until a little bit later on. Once I found out I dumped him but he caused me a lot of trouble and even got me fired at a club (he was a DJ too).


  
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    I have more money that the 50 year olds that I know working corporate jobs. I also have more money and can do a lot more than cashier/manager at Mcdonalds. Prostitution is NOT abusive. Sure there are pimps/manager/predators that prey on young beautiful women but this is not the case for independent escort/business women like myself. LOL @ cash passes through their hands on the way to pimps, strip club managers, bartenders, taxi drivers, casino hosts and other predators.. I guess whoever wrote this article just felt the need to make this stuff up. As an independent escort, I have two cars in the garage why would I need a taxi driver?, I conduct my business from home online and NOT a strip club or a casino .. so that eliminates the idea of money passing a bartender's hand.


    Sorry I rather get fucked for $475 an hour than $7 an hour...hell even $20 an hour. I am in the happiness business. I love my job.. People love thinking that all prostitutes walk the streets and are forced into prostitution by some guy ..this is not true. Alot of us are smarter than that. I got into this business willingly.. I just thought I'm single, why fuck for free? when I can $$$$$$ doing it.


The money issue is why many get into it. It certainly was for me. I could either make $200+ a night dancing or make that in two weeks working fulltime at a minimum wage job. A minimum wage job where I'd have to bust my butt and deal with rudeness, lots of stress, etc, especially if I was going to college (as was the case). I got tired of this and figured why not make the amount in one day I made in a week or two and have more time? Incidentally, when I started nude modeling and dancing I made the Deans List in college, whereas when I was working fulltime at a store I struggled because I didn't have time to study.

Another reason why women get into the adult industry is because of the lack of opportunities for women. We still live in a world where women are paid less than men, even with more experience. Many women I've known who got into the business didn't want to be strippers, porn actresses or escorts but those were their only choices unless they worked minimum wage. I've known even college grads who got into it because they could make more than a recent women grad.

ETA: I remember once at a club this woman was protesting and told me she could "save my soul". I had to tell her I didn't need saving because I knew what I was getting into. I didn't live the "lifestyle" and to me dancing was a job only.

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May 18 12 11:31 PM

cool.gif More on Post Grads finding better financial rewards in the sex trade than in Academia as well as some real relief from their debt-bondage to Sallie Mae.
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Re: Wasting my college degree?

    I have a B.A and a Masters and I must say, it's helped me bag those VIPs with the more upscale customers!



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May 19 12 2:04 PM

From the SW Topic "Student Loan Debt Hell" 2010-2011. This topic compares the costs and benefits of investing in a 2 or 4 year College education over investing that time as a professional exotic dancer
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Re: Student Loan Debt Hell ... is a college degree still a 'good investment' ?
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Melxxxxx

    "Circling back to the point of the original article and some basic facts about the exotic dancing industry, this boils down to ...

    - the 'death' of the old paradigm that a college degree will guarantee a good job / financial success

    - student loan debt is 'forever' ... and can act as an 'albatross' around a college graduate's neck for decades

    - a college degree can be earned at age 22 or 32 or 42 or for that matter 52, while the 'peak earnings potential' of exotic dancers is much more restricted age and energy wise.

    - effort diverted away from high earning work opportunities toward non-paying college study carries a significant 'lost opportunity cost' ... however, this 'lost opportunity cost' is often ignored. Or put another way, the $60k tuition cost of obtaining a bachelor's degree from a state college is actually in addition to perhaps $100k+ in 'lost opportunity cost' re additional money that could have been earned via serious full time dancing during the same time period but wasn't.

     - In the most simplistic terms, this means that between tuition costs and 'lost opportunity' costs, an ex exotic dancer 4 year college graduate would need to net an additional $10k a year in after tax income every year for her 40 year working age career in order to 'break even'. In less simplistic terms, if an exotid dancer had managed to invest $100k of the $200-$300k in additional full time dancing earnings in, say, a 5% tax free muni bond, then the interest earnings from that muni bond would move the 'break even' point up to an additional $15k per year in after tax income ( which may also equal an extra $25k per year in PRE tax income ). Arguably, at that point, the total 'costs' associated with an exotic dancer passing up full time dancing in order to obtain a 4 year degree may NEVER result in her reaching a 'break even' point !!!

  Again I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from attending college. However, I AM trying to point out that in today's poor economy a thorough cost / benefit analysis should be conducted - which includes both out of pocket costs plus 'lost opportunity cost'."



I know I certainly wouldn't have been dancing or currently escorting if a college degree guaranteed finding a good job. I'm still paying off my debts from a 40k per yr school. I've pared it down, but it took a really long time to get there. There are days when I think, "why the hell did I go to college?" In new york, you need a degree to work a crappy 20k per year job...only to be laid off later. People in my age group (25-35 y/o) were given a crappy deal. A year after I graduated from high school, the economy took a big hit thanks to 9/11. Its been downhill since.
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May 19 12 4:14 PM

cool.gif Now two cautionary notes from Melxxxx concerning her cost/benefit analysis quoted above.
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July 2011
The sad future possibility is unfortunately this ...

Through the earlier 00's the ( debt driven ) US economy was strong enough to allow both exotic dancers with 'less than outstanding' attributes, and college graduates with 'less than outstanding' credentials, to participate reasonably well. However, going forward, both will face stiff headwinds as the remaining US market demand expects more and more 'bang for the buck' from the 'less than outstanding' market supply. In both cases they are likely to face stiff 'foreign' competition ... whether that 'foreign' competition takes the form of stereotypical eastern european dancers offering 'extras' to US club customers at comparatively low prices, or US 'straight' professional jobs being outsourced to Asia or taken by low priced H1B foreign 'immigrant' professional workers.



And now for an update from her this Spring
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Sophxx-xxx

    Over my 7 or 8 years of dancing money has become harder and harder to make. I'm talking about day-to-day profits varying wildly. I'm talking about monthly totals shrinking (unless I work more days). And I'm talking about a steady decrease in yearly earnings. Stripping has gotten harder, clubs have gotten dirtier, and there's less money to show for it.

    I wonder about dancers that worked in the mid-to-late 90's, who are still dancing today, and how they would compare their money situations then & now. I wonder how they would compare the job today vs. back in the day.

To answer your question, there is essentially NO comparison ... along two different lines. First, the amount of dollars of dancer earnings potential versus the amount of dancer effort required was WAY better in the 90's, and has arguably been in steady decline since the 2000 dotcom bust and/or the 9/11/2001 induced recession. Well, this assumes that earnings from 'extras' are left out of the equation.

Second, 'treatment' of dancers by both clubowners and club customers has mutated from a 90's 'show business' image ( where dancers were treated as respected and valued performers ) toward a 2010's 'sex business' image ( where dancers are increasingly treated as easily replaceable pieces of 'meat', where the availability of 'extras' is increasingly taken for granted by clubowners and customers alike, and now where the price of those 'extras' is becoming negotiable ). These 'negative' changes to the exotic dancing business model had progressed so far by the time of the 2008 recession that I personally couldn't tolerate putting up with 'live' dancing anymore !!!


In terms of feeling guilty about not 'using' your degree, there are LOTS of ways that your college education can be put to work outside of direct employment involving your major. Arguably, every time you 'sell' an upscale customer on VIP, and come away with a decent tip, your college education is helping you to do so.





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May 21 12 7:47 PM

cool.gif College Camgirls Support Thread for cam models who are "masturbating their way through college," in the words of one of our former model members.
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    1. Do you worry about your school administration/ other students finding out? If so, what do you do to keep this from happening?

    Yes I do. I am very involved in different things at school and am pretty well known. It is a small-ish, private university with very high standards and I feel if they found out something would go down. I currently have very very long dark hair but on cam I wear a wig that is not close to my real hair color (forever young one) and use makeup to contour my face, and apply different eye makeup then I would normally wear.

    2. Will you be living in a dorm? By yourself or with a roomate(s)? How do you plan to do this while maintaining your privacy?

    Last year I was in a dorm without a roommate, the year before with a roommate. But this year I have my own place. It is small but it will do. Very excited about it.

    3. What is your weekly $$ goal and how many hours are you going to work?

    I need to make at least $500 so I will work a minimum of 10 hours. Mostly on SM.

    4. Are you going to include your camming income when applying for the fafsa/ financial aid?

    As an international student I can not apply for financial aid at my school (total bullshit), only academic scholarships so need to keep those grades up!

    5. Do you ever worry about the long term effects of doing this and how it will impact your future career/academic opportunities?

    All the time. I have worked so hard to be where I am and I think I would lose friendships, respect of my professors, and more. However, not being able to take out student loans (not American), has led me to camming and honestly I enjoy doing it and it pays for me to attend and to fit in with my fellow classmates. Plus it is much better then making $7 hourly on campus.


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    1. Do you worry about your school administration/ other students finding out? If so, what do you do to keep this from happening?

    It's never occurred to me to worry about this. What would happen if they knew? Maybe they'd think I'm a whore? Whatever. But also I'm an English major studying creative writing, so it's not like I'm killing my chances of being the first female president or anything.

    I've blocked my state, but that was really just to make it harder for stalkers. The only change in my appearance is that in real life I don't wear make up nearly ever, and I don't think I've ever gone to school in panties and nothing else.

And a note from a stripper who successfully graduated this Spring..Yeah!
But who now plans on "stripping her way" through Grad school. lol.??
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    Hi ladies, yesterday morning I graduated from my beloved, private, four year prestigious, expensive college. My schooling was expensive and I stripped for three of the four years I was there in order to avoid crushing debt. I might have missed out on a few parties in favor of working but I was lucky to find clubs that did not require me to put in a schedule. As I look forward to my vanilla career and applying to graduate schools I am so glad to have reaped the benefits dancing can have for a full time student and I will stay on the pole for a few more years it seems like.


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cool.gif Froam AC'sForum.. A Model's Question to both Models And Premiums: "What's a Normal Private?
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For us liberal hipsters, "normal" in this case would be read as "vanilla".

I suppose it would be straightforward vag play, sexy body rubbing and maybe a blowjob. Anal might not count depending on how vanilla he wants the show to be.

I've always seen vanilla defined negatively (that is, vanilla is what kink is not) but I guess it could be seen as sexual acts without any domination, control, sadomasochism, humiliation/degradation, objectification, or sexualization of anything but primary and secondary secondary organs.


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It's a boring question but that's an interesting answer Exxxe! Thanks indeed.

It bugged me that he thought his idea of a normal private was the same as mine and it bugged me more that most men probably think the same.

It was pretty much flirt-strip-pose-fuck myself-cum which is nice of course but one needs some variation sometimes. Come hither foot fetishists.


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Ah yes.. I think I should answer the question, then.

I would say that the majority of my privates are vaginal penetration with fingers or a dildo, and guys seem to prefer the view of me on my back or to watch doggie style. That just seems to be the most requested.

I am wondering if a "normal" private means what is most frequently done in private or their idea of "normal" sexual behavior? It seems like there could be a difference between the two.

If a guy told me he wanted a normal private and wouldn't give me anything else to go on, I would assume that he wanted to see what my "normal" is.




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May 24 12 9:15 PM


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Faking it?

    So i don't know about you girls but when I am camming i am not turned on whatsoever. not even a little teeny tiny bit. there is just nothing attractive to me about the fact that i'm rubbing my goods in front of people. it's plainly for money. that is all.

    So obviously i never ever get wet. i have to use a lot of lube and even with that, my girl parts take a beating and it begins to hurt. And when i have actual sex for that day, forget about it! my vagina is sore as hell and i cannot force a vibrator or dildo up there. All of this is realllllly quite annoying D:

    But i've heard in a few threads that some of u girls fake it and don't actually stick in the dildo?

    HOW!? please tell me your secrets i've tried to fake it and its looked...well....fake. haha




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    Hehe ill make it in detail! Ive been meaning too.
    Its rare that your actually horny for a show.
    So heres some tips!

    1 Basic penetration. Point the camera DIRECTLY in front of your cam, Act like your going in and out.But your just doing it in the air. REMEMBER the more direct your cam is in front of your dildo
    the less they will be able to see the length. Also hold the dildo with your fist in the middle. So theres less of it.
    2 Riding . This is simple , and kinda fun , if you like jumping on beds.
    Get on your knees on your bed (Or floor) And lay the dildo behind you! Simple as that. make sure you grab from behind when you (Pull it out).
    3 Anal. This is for though blessed with a booty. Again using the "Directly in front" technique, place the dildo in your butcheaks, and push in and out, Just of the cheaks. The more direct the cam is in front of the dildo , the less of it they will see, they can only se the movement!

    Practice makes perfect



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May 24 12 10:29 PM

cool.gif Wow. well said and completely on the money.. by Melxxxxx...
I wonder how long it will be before she get's banned as a Troll/Downer?
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    Not meaning to rain on anybody's parade, but a few 'webcam economics' facts need to be revisited in light of recent economic changes ...

    The top 5% of earners ( in the USA, those with incomes above $160,000 per year ) actually earn 35% of ALL total earnings. And after subtracting 'necessary' spending on food, energy, rent / mortgage, health care etc., the top 5% arguably comprise >50% of ALL money available for spending on 'unnecessary' goods and services. Where exotic dancers and escorts are concerned, it's possible to access this top 5% as customers via 'upscale' strip clubs, via 'upscale' escort agencies etc'.

    However, where adult webcam is concerned, there really isn't any way to access the vast majority these top 5% earners / majority spenders. After all, why would a guy with serious money to spend choose to webcam with a porn star / escort when he could just as easily arrange to spend some 'up close and personal' time with a porn star / escort ??? And recent economic trends have led to an inescapable fact that the top 5% group are the 'only' ones who are still seeing significant increases in their 'real' income levels.

    While there aren't any real and credible statistics to go by, business logic tend to support the conclusion that the vast majority of adult webcam customers are middle class / working class, with very few being top 5% earners. Thus larger economic forces that affect middle class / working class people will directly affect income potential from camming. And at the moment, this means that negative economic forces have reduced the total number of dollars now being spent by webcam customers.

    In terms of recent economic developments, tax season is over ... and the majority of tax refund money has now been spent. Thus the amount of money available to middle class / working class webcam customers ... as an 'unnecessary' expense ... is secondary to the amount of money those middle class / working class webcam customers must first spend on 'necessary' expenses. And along those lines, state and local tax rates have risen, gasoline is still at near record price levels, food prices are rising, health insurance is more expensive, etc.

    At the same time, typical middle class / working class pay raises are barely above zero ... with increased taxes, insurance premiums etc. actually resulting in 'take home' paychecks being smaller this year than last year. Psychologically, this creates a mindset that those remaining dollars are more valuable than they used to be, which in turn creates expectations that they should receive more 'bang for their buck' when those remaining dollars are spent. Where webcam is concerned, this translates into more 'bargain hunting'. And if some camgirls are willing to oblige those 'bargain hunters' with cheaper prices and/or more risque 'content', that tends to 'steal' customers from other camgirls who aren't similarly willing to provide webcam customers with 'more for less'.

    To make matters worse, for those middle class / working class webcam customers, summer is approaching. This means that the weather is becoming nice enough ( in the northern hemisphere ) for some middle class / working class guys to hit bars and clubs rather than staying home and spending time on webcam. This means webcam customers are also now having to think about vacation plans ( and costs ). This also means more 'family time' as kids will soon be out of school for the summer etc. ... which for married webcam customers is likely to mean less opportunity to partake of adult webcam even if the cost isn't a major consideration.

    On a 'grander scale', recent declines in the stock markets, declines in consumer confidence, persistent high unemployment, persistent decline in housing markets, election year politics on both sides of the Atlantic etc. are arguably causing middle class / working class people to be a less certain about the future. And uncertain people tend to become more frugal ... which is bad news for other people whose incomes are dependent on people spending money on 'unnecessary' things ... like camgirls.

    The 'talking heads' are of the opinion that economics on a 'grander scale' aren't likely to improve through the summer months at least.


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    i just did 2 days on cam of 4-5 hours each, and got ZERO, nada and that's on 3 cam sites... i am seriously thinking about quitting...



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And I agree with the "what r u in the mood for" I want to say "well actually I want to go to bed but I need to pay my electric bill so lets just go pvt so I can fake being turned on by a close up of ur penis on ur cam and get this over with"



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I'm not completely happy with the fact that my only internet presence right now is just me being a somewhat superficial slut, lol. I know it comes with the territory and people who know will always think of me as a whore, which is cool with me, whore all the way, but I don't necessarily like just being perceived as a mindless whore (by the larger community, don't give a shit if horny guys think I'm mindless if I'm getting $$$ haha).

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Sex worker complaints.
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And I agree with the "what r u in the mood for" I want to say "well actually I want to go to bed but I need to pay my electric bill so lets just go pvt so I can fake being turned on by a close up of ur penis on ur cam and get this over with"



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The biggest thing though is that I FUCKING HATE HAVING MY NIPPLES TOUCHED!

My poor boyfriend

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