#181 [url]

Sep 14 13 1:25 AM

There are many reasons why members want cam models to view their cams. And just as many as to why a model would accept watching a members cam.


Why a model would view a members cam:

1) Most importantly, you earn bank from it!!!! But like in the case of that quoted model, she views this as her job. Disassociating the excitement and sexuality of viewing a members cam for the desire or need to be sexually aroused because she has desensitized herself to the eroticism that would get her turned on. 
2)Curiosity.... Need a good laugh, sure why not as long as I am getting "paid".
3) They actually do get stimulated and aroused by seeing a member do whatever they are paying to show a model.

I have been asked numerous times if I have a cam and if I could turn it on, bla bla bla. I know personally it was curiosity in my circumstances and interactions. Nope, I never did anything sexual providing a cam model some fodder, lol.

Why a member wants to pay a model to view their cam:

1) Ego,Ego,Ego!!!
2) Narcissism
3)The need to feel desired or important(ego again)
4) Have I mentioned ego yet?

But in certain interactions, the model and the member connected in some manner and both are intrigued, curious, and interested, sexually or non sexually. Can lead to something more or eventually a disaster.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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#182 [url]

Sep 17 13 12:07 PM

Re: Reasons you may not want to cam!

Re: Reasons you may not want to cam!

Quote Originally Posted by Lxxx Xxxx View Post
-People finding out, as in boyfriends, bosses, family, friends, your kid's friends parents...
-Have to lie to folks about what you do
-Weird customers can freak out more squeamish girls
-You are gonna learn how men REALLY think, yikes
-Oops now you cant run for president someday"

Nothing prepares for those 2 things. NOTHING! Working in strip clubs for 10 years, Porn for 8 before I did camming. One would think I had heard or seen it all. NOT by a mile.

Knowing how men really think, jades you. Dealing with the freeloaders & beggers will jade you. You will lose a certain amount of innocence even when you don't have any.

Depraved is the word that comes to mind. Most are normal horny men, but the freaks are over the top freaks.

One guy asked me if I wanted to watch him shove a jar up his ass then shit in it. All for FREE... You couldn't pay me to watch another person do that.

Finding out almost all men are gay. Are deeply in the closet.

The hate, the pure hate. For no reason at all,other than all they do all day long is hate.

This job isn't easy. If you have a guy pushing into it saying how easy it is, he will never comprehend how draining this job is to do. Wish I could do it 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, but these men just want to much from you other than sex. They just pull it all out of you. Such needy bastards at times.

There is no way to prepare yourself mentally for this job.

Good Luck,

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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#183 [url]

Sep 17 13 2:31 PM

Re: Camming has taught me....

Re: Camming has taught me....

on a different slant ...

Camming taught me something that I already knew but really didn't want to acknowledge ... 
that 'the internet is forever'. I'm absolutely certain that the day will eventually come 
when my future grand-daughter pops up an old tube site / pirated video 
and asks 'grandma, what is that thing you have stuck in your ..."      
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Re: Camming has taught me....

Quote Originally Posted by Nxxxxxx 

1) How rewarding sex work really is. And not just financially, but what it can do for your self esteem.
2) I learned that my curves are beautiful.
3) How to become more computer literate."

Interesting! I found that after the initial: men will pay me for this? 
 What men say on cam has little to no effect on my self-esteem. Positive or negative. 
 But it was nice to find out that my curves and natural boobs were still considered beautiful :p       
 

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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#184 [url]

Sep 19 13 2:43 AM

I take the time now to thank men....................NOT!!!!!!!!!!

You know you're a camgirl when.....


"You find yourself annoyed with men, even in real life. You turn down a date if the guy calls you "baby" or over compliments you on your physical appearance. Pushy guys turn you off. Whenever you go out in public, you see people and try to figure out what strange fetish they have. That scrawny dude over there? Totally into being tied up and maybe ballbusting too..lol."


Well guys, I don't know about you, but...... this is what you are creating..... Thank you so so so much.(sarcasm). By the way, congratulations again for making  a name for ourselves, keep up the good work, eh. But on the other hand, if we tip, we are the best, huh. At this point I am thoroughly ashamed to be a man, good job guys. A world of fodder..... Yeah I know, don't take it personally. Lol. There are a few normal decent gentlemen out there still, right? Right? RIGHT? Eh, fuck it. The echo hurt my eardrums.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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#185 [url]

Sep 19 13 10:26 PM

Inexperienced Model?

UncleLewis wrote:
Txxxx_Cxxxx wrote:
"Can I pull on your hair while we fuck doggystyle?"

"Any question/statement like this bugs the poop out of me. It can drive me fucking batty in fact...

"Can I lick your clit, bb?"
"Can you sit on my cock, bb?"
"Can I sniff your ass, bb?"

You're not in the same geographical proximity as the person on your computer screen! You can't feel or touch or smell things that aren't in the same fucking room as you! 



This model appears not to do or understand fantasy.  Those questions are directions.

Can I pull on your hair while we fuck doggystyle? = Please play with dildo in doggie position and lean your head back like I am pulling your hair.

"Can I lick your clit, bb?" = Please play with your clit, put some saliva on it and act like you are pleased that I am licking your clit.

Can you sit on my cock, bb? = Please play with your dildo in cowgirl or reverse cowgirl position.

Can I sniff your ass, bb? = please show me your ass.

One way to play in private shows is for the model and member to write what they are doing (what they are pretending to do) to each other while the model acts out the fantasy.  For example, I (the man) quietly step up behind you, brush your hair aside and kiss you gently on the neck.  The model bends her neck over, moves her hair aside and pretends to enjoy being kissed on the neck.

Instead of this model being perceptive, a great sociologist, gracefully adapting to the game and doing a great show, she flies off the handle, makes snide remarks and chases her paying customer away assuming he is a fool.

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#186 [url]

Sep 19 13 10:55 PM

I disagree...

She is not inexperienced. 


She is fed up with bullshit.

I would bet that she is frustrated, angry and tired of stupidity.

She does not wish to deal with the fantasy she knows it all is about and play and pander to a paying customer. She also is providing poor customer service.

I would also add that she had such a bad shift or low earnings lately that getting on cam and dealing with these types of questions that would enhance a paying customers enjoyment, she just does not wish to deal with assholes at this time. I can also presume that she does or did not like her work at this time. 

Now I will bring up what many others models would say to this:

1) suck it, and milk them dry
2) get out of the cam business and find something else(easier said than done)

Those quotes may also have been said by a person who has no tokens, is a troll, a beggar, or has never spent a penny on her, yet wants something for free.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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#187 [url]

Sep 20 13 4:04 PM

Re: Reasons you may not want to cam!

Re: Reasons you may not want to cam!

Reasons you may not want to cam:
*Since this thread was started about a billion more girls have started camming. It's not easy to stand out from the crowd anymore. Ladies have gotten desperate. Even if you're wicked awesome, you still have to compete against girls who stick things the size of your arm up their bums for $1.99/minute and offer 10 free videos to everyone.

It's not as easy or as lucrative as they make it seem. You will start your day as a makeup and hair stylist. Then you move on to being an IT professional and your own lighting crew. You log on and become an actress, director, and camera operator. Sprinkle some pr work, publicity agent, and psychic and you've got what a cam girl does. Parts of you will probably be sore some days from holding weird positions or doing penetration shows. Odds are you'll be a $500/week girl instead of making thousands.

You'll go a little nutty. You spend a big chunk of time staring at yourself and talking to a webcam. You'll get lonely sometimes, and it will be hard to make new friends because you're a *gasp* sex worker. Even if you HATE lying, you'll find yourself needing to lie more than you imagined.       

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Sep 27 13 1:44 PM

If you were given a chance to start over....

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Reply No 1.
I only wish I could have started camming earlier, as opposed to 26. I'd have no debts whatsoever by now. I wish I had found this forum earlier, too.

Camming's helped me embrace parts of my sexuality I didn't know I had. It's helped me reach out to strangers and friends about sexual hangups and worries. 
I've become the go-to person in my social circles when it comes to issues in the bedroom. I've connected with some fantastic people that I never would have encountered
 if not for camming and this forum. I've become happier with my body and embraced my personality. I've honed my smartass skills. Camming's boosted my self-confidence, 
while lowering the amount of fucks I give. I'm so much more equipped to take on life's challenges because of this job. 
I've even become way more open-minded and less judgmental because of it, too.

So, yeah, if I had the choice, I'd do it all again. Only better and earlier on.

Reply No 2
I wish i had found it at 18.... i would have been rich now...
It would be perfect if i could make $500 and $700 per day at the age of 18 as i can do now.
I was a poor poor girl before caming...

Reply No 3
LMAO! I wonder if that's the answer Gxxxx was looking for?

I'm also on the "I would have started this when I was 18" band-wagon.

Gxxxxx wrote:
"For me, I wish I had not found out about this. Not only is it addicting as well as time and money sapping, but I feel that I have become somewhat desensitized to sex
 and porn somewhat, and that can't be good for my real life and dating in future."


As much as I want to say something else, I'll be civil. As far as the time and money sapping, that's all your fault. The camming world doesn't force you to sit there and watch, 
or to spend all your money. You need to take care of yourself and set boundaries for yourself. It's not camming, it's you. You're letting yourself be consumed by something 
that you enjoy, but later you get remorseful and upset that you spent so much time and money there. Well, why don't you stop?

Shit, I just realized I do this, too! I do this with stupid cell phone games. I spend way more time than I should, and even though I enjoy it while I'm playing, 
I feel shitty and unproductive afterward. And that's my fault. Not the game's.

If you feel like camland isn't the right place for you, then stop spending your time and money here and find something else to consume your extra time that you don't regret later.

I really hope that came off as civil and not offensive. xD I am having some awful mood swings right now. :lol:

No 4
I think for any members if you feel that watching camsites is negatively effecting your life at all: QUIT! NOW! and never come back.

Camsites can be amazing things, they can keep people positive, help with confidence, loneliness, all sorts of things. But they can also be dangerous. 
Camsites should be kind of like a dress rehearsal for a play/band, fun, way less pressure, useful, but at the end of the day it's not the main show.

I have found the healthiest way people have approached camsites is when they're between relationships, or those who work a lot. For those who are single/just out of relationships, 
perhaps your self esteem is a little low, feeling lonely and horny maybe but not ready to get out there and start dating. Visiting camgirls at this point can help raise self esteem 
and stop members rushing out there too fast. What members should be careful about is not letting the camworld stop them from going back into the real world.

For those who work a lot, either they have relationships but they have to be away at work a lot, which causes loneliness and boredom, or they're too busy for relationships. 
In this case, well, why not? .

When camsites become unhealthy are when you're having real trouble dating in the real world, but very much want to date someone and settle down. 
If you feel this way then camsites are not for you.
If you can't help but spend more money than you have on girls: You should probably leave camsites.
If you're a sex/porn addict.
If you're looking for something cheaper than a prostitute.
If you can't afford to tip yet are looking for friends.
If it is causing you to no longer be as interested in real life girls.
If you find you're getting overly attached to certain girls, to the point it's effecting your real life.

If you're lonely and have been single for a long time for whatever reasons, or even married but in a fairly settled situation, and hold no hopes of actually dating camgirls 
then camsites can simply ease with the loneliness. Kind of like taking painkillers for loneliness. It doesn't cure it, but it can help. For those things I think camsites are a good thing. 

Of course for members who have fetishes/sexual desires that can't usually be satisfied then camsites make a lot of sense. As much as interactive porn is great, 
and for many they much prefer it... I wonder how healthy it is for some... Does it take away some of the excitements of sex because it simulates something much closer to sex? 
There was once a day when seeing a girls ankle were enough to get a man off. I wish in loads of ways that I had know what sex was like in a time when I'd never seen a mans naked body. 
Imagine how amazing that'd be? Looking at boobs and porn is awesome, but is it kind of like if you eat cake all the time, as much as the cake still tastes good, it doesn't taste 
nearly as good as if you eat really healthily and do exercise and then get a taste of cake! I think it's worth the effort of not giving in and binging, which essentially is 
what we do when we watch lots of porn/camgirls. We're binging on sex.
Bit of a different discussion though...

I like the computer game analogy, it's exactly the reason I don't play computer games very often. I get very sucked into them and cannot stop playing. 
But I also do this with ACF, like today, I've spent the last 2 hours on ACF and I only meant to be about 10 minutes. I haven't noticed the time go.

My advice to members who feel they've spent too much money and not really got much out of it: leave camsites and move on. You clearly enjoyed it at the time 
so stop having buyers remorse. Just like if you buy a take-away and eat it, after it's finished you may regret both eating and spending money on it while you feel bloated 
and tired, but you wanted it when you were hungry. So learn from your lesson and try not to break next time you're hungry, or if you do, take it at face value. 
Accept that everything comes with a price, and that is often more than financial, then decide whether you're willing to pay it. Once you have, move on.

Rejoinder by Gxxxx
It's certainly interesting to see that the consensus seems to be the regret of not starting earlier or acquiring more knowledge before starting. 
I wonder though if things would have been different if you start earlier, say @ 18. The level of maturity at 18 and say 21, both physically and mentally, 
might cause one to view things very differently, especially in a job as socially demanding as camming. I do admit, I was expecting some negative views on camming, 
maybe cause I do see them from my perspective, but you know what? Its great that models have such an upbeat and positive outlook about camming, 
as it will inevitably lead to better experiences for both members and models alike.

Isxxxx_xxx wrote:
"When camsites become unhealthy are when you're having real trouble dating in the real world, but very much want to date someone and settle down. If you feel this way then camsites are not for you.
If you can't help but spend more money than you have on girls: You should probably leave camsites.
If you're a sex/porn addict.
If you're looking for something cheaper than a prostitute.
If you can't afford to tip yet are looking for friends.
If it is causing you to no longer be as interested in real life girls.
If you find you're getting overly attached to certain girls, to the point it's effecting your real life. "



I do certainly fit in one or maybe two of that criteria :) I have to clarify though that although I mentioned that I have splurged on camsites, I have never spent beyond my means, 
and camsite addiction is like any other addiction like drugs, alcohol or sex, it is just to indulge in our hedonistic side or to escape from reality. For those familiar with 
the Myers-Briggs personality test, I am a strong INTJ (Introvert-intuition-thinking-judging). I also have mild social anxiety disorder, and my rationale for visiting camsites 
was to have a fun, NSA time and at the same time feel at ease interacting with the fairer sex. Things never turn out the way you want them to, do they? (Damn Murphy's law). 
Anyway I got emotionally attached to a girl and you know where this leads to... so there you go. I probably should quit camsites :-D

But the bigger problem I feel for many people is that they do not realize how much camsites, and porn in general desensitizes them to relationships with the other sex. 
Think about it, once you have seen the most beautiful girls in their full naked glory, it is going to cause unrealistic expectations to find someone that can surpass 
the models you find online. It also gives them a false sense of empowerment that they are able to control girls to do their beck and call (pvt shows). 
This line is blurred between the virtual and real world and people that cannot step away from it will suffer for it in their real lives.

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Gxxxx, I know what you mean about it spoiling your views about sex and relationships, but the thing of it is... And I'm really sorry about ruining anyone's fantasies :lol:... 
No girl is perfect. Not even the most beautiful camgirl you can think of.

The sooner you stop comparing prospective partners to camgirls the better. They are two completely separate worlds. :) And don't worry-you're not alone. 
I have heard tons of guys complain that they're disappointed with the dating pool. "Why can't I meet a girl like you?" There are tons of guys who assume 
that the way I am on cam is my complete and total personality. Although I am myself on cam, I am super considerate of what the guys are there for. 
When I'm dating someone, I'm not as considerate of them, because I feel they should also be considerate of me. It's different. 
And I'm doing an awful job at explaining what I'm trying to say.

Well any way, I am not the way I am on cam all the time. I am nice, and bubbly on cam, and never sad, or angry, or upset. I don't complain on cam. 
But dammit when that cam is off and I'm losing at a game and the roommate hasn't mowed the lawn and the cats are fighting, I'm a raging lunatic! :P

So to these guys asking, "Where can I find a girl like you?" Well, you can't. Because I'm not even like my cam persona all the time.

Second Model Reply:

As to the topic of how members find dating/real relationships after watching camgirls... this is a subject I find very interesting but also I think it's one of the worst parts 
of both camming and porn. In the Uk we get "lads mags", which consist of boobs, cars, gadgets etc, pretty much everything that fits the stereotypical male type. 
They are things that children will often have access to, as they're not considered porn. I have noticed out of men I know the kind of guys who read these types of magazines 
and have been exposed to them for longer have very unrealistic views of both women and men. I think they're extremely unhealthy because they tell readers 
that men should be a certain way and like certain things, and women should be sexy nympho's with big, natural jugs.

Camgirls I think can give the same unhealthy idea of what women should be like. The men get to choose us, being 100% in control, and rather than having to put real work and effort into befriending and getting to know us, they just have to tip instead, and we'll give them attention. We generally aren't angry, grumpy, bitchy etc. And if we are, it's generally minimised to what it would be in real life. We usually come on cam in full make up (even when we say we're natural and ill). We'll get naked and act like we have crazy sexual appetites (even when we don't), and mostly are willing to do things like anal, which many real life women aren't. You get to tell us what to do, what you like. You can want a close relationship yet also expect and want us to be professional when dealing with things you want. It's the best of both worlds. You can then imagine whatever you want to about her real life. Make up your perfect fantasy.

I can understand how starting to date real life women after that might seem strange. I also think for many it's difficult for them to let go of their cam life and friends 
once they get into real relationships. If it were me and I got involved with someone, just like I wouldn't appreciate them constantly speaking to their ex fuck buddy/girlfriend, 
I think from a members standpoint although it's different, feelings wise it's not all that different. Here is a beautiful girl you got to know because you found her particularly attractive. 
Enough to spend money on her and a lot of time watching her, you formed a relationship with her, although not physical and probably not reciprocated by her in the same way you feel, 
but all the same, the member would be having certain feelings. I believe continuing a cam friendship/continuing visiting Mfc once you've got into a relationship is similar 
to continuing to see someone else after you've got into a relationship. You haven't changed a relationship at all. And it is different than if you occasionally went to Mfc to wank. 
I mean people who are emotionally involved with a camgirl. If they no longer went to the girls camroom and she wanted to keep contact then occasional updates are cool, 
but I do think it's a tricky area. I think members should pick reality over fantasy, as much as it hurts when members leave me, I'd leave them for my real life without question. 
It'd be upsetting, but of course I'd do it.


"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Sep 27 13 3:32 PM

SW: MFC is a hardcore hustle site, there is big money to be made on it. (Duh)

I can't do this

This is my first week camming on MFC and it is all so overwhelming. I desperately need the money (young child, student loans, car payment, etc..)
 I have a part time job and cannot find other work to make ends meet. I smile and try to start conversation with them to liven up the room 
but unless Im butt naked with a dildo like the other new models the room is dead. Just guys barking at me to take my bra off with next to nothing tips. 
I might make 20 dollars in a night and thats if Im on for hours. I dont know any fun games or countdowns to get things going 
and Im afraid Im going to set my prices too high.       
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Model No1

Men can feel desperate. Some love feeding off of it. No matter what you have going on in your private life it can't affect the confidence 
& sexiness you need to emote on cam or camera. Pick your favorite sexy kitten movie star & fake their sexy confidence until you get your own. 
You know fake it till you make it. You are letting your personal issues get in the way, these men don't care if you have kids or bills to pay. 
There are tons of predators looking for girls who admit that crap just so they can rip them off or use them cheaply. 
This isn't the story you want out there or even the one playing in your head.

MFC is a hardcore hustle site, there is big money to be made on it. Sounds like you need to get your game face on & except no prisoners. 
It isn't their job to GIVE you money, it is your job to convert freeloaders into paying high rollers. Camming is about upping your game each 
and every single time you log on. Good Luck

Model No 2

Re: I can't do this

MFC is hard because you TRULY have to have a "hustle" and unfortunately, some girls just don't quite have the hustle mentality, myself included. I tried MFC, and it just was NOT for me. If you want to do a token based site, I'd suggest trying Chaturbate, but honestly, Streamate is probably the best place for new cam girls. Personally, I started out on imLive (don't recommend that, the chargebacks are a fuckin bitch) but either way, a private based site is easier to get used to than a site like MFC. I just now after a couple years feel like I want to try a more public, token based site, because you have to be COMFORTABLE camming before you can entertain an audience. I still prefer one on one interactions (such as exclusive on SM), so I'd also advise to try there. MFC is, as previously mentioned, NOT the best site to start on. LOTS of competition and on SM, the men seem to want to find one unique girl that fits their fantasy, and more often than you'd think, it's you! (At least for me, I never thought guys would pay that much to see me, now I KNOW they will pay and it can be truly rewarding!) You can do it. Don't give up. It's a learning experience, and a couple years in, I'm still learning new things every single day. You're not alone, and if something isn't working for you, always remember, it can't hurt to change it up. When I have a slow shift, I go change my clothes, it does seem to help more often than not! Remember: Men like what they can't have, so do we, right? Make yourself less accessible, but still polite. I've found the less I give away for free, the more they want to see what I have. Good luck!       

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Sep 28 13 12:08 PM

"Technically all cam-girls are scammers, because money is exactly what we want from you." WOW! POW!

A Cheating Member Scammed but still in love, asks this question"
"Now I need some advice in a complex situation...

A bit about myself. I'm in the mid 40's. I'm married since 10 years with my wife who I met 20 years ago.
I'm required to travel quote a bit in my work, and have about 2 nights away from my family each week.
Unfortunately my wife was diagnosed with a neurological disease a few years back. She suffers from fatigue.
One result of this is that we don't have as much sex and intimacy as we used to do. I miss this part of our relationship.

On one of my business trips a few months ago I discovered the "webcam world".
It was a pleasant experience. I have visited a few performers who I found to be incredible intelligent, nice and sexy persons.

About a month ago I came a cross this woman 'M' in the non-nude section of a particular site.
She's from eastern Europe (Not Romania ;) )and in her mid 20's. We have been chatting on about 5-7 different occasions, sometimes shorter and sometimes
longer conversations. We only talked about usual stuff, like interests, food and so on.
However as time moved on I felt that she was trying to scam me. She was complaining about having no money for school, rent and so on.
I also had a strong feeling that I couldn't trust everything the was saying. So the last chat we had I said that I had to say goodbye, I tipped her well (100$) and then send her a message saying that I thought she was scamming me and that I had to quit chatting with her. I also told her that I had strong feelings for her and liked her very much. I then cancelled my chat-account and terminated my email address.

However during the time we chatted I found myself very attracted to this person. The few conversations I had with her made me feeling really good, and I felt like a better person. I now realise that I have a crush on her. I haven't been feeling this way since I first meet with my wife, 20 years back.
It's a wonderful but also devastating feeling. She is constantly on my mind.

It seems that Love is really blind...

I still love my wife and would never dream about leaving her, especially in the difficult situation that she's in. But I cannot help thinking about 'M'.
This crush I'm having just hurts so freaking much. I just want to continue these conversations with her
I know my wife would totally freak out if I told her. I know that I'm cheating on her, and I feel very bad about that. But I can't help my feelings.
I don't want to have a relationship with 'M' or meet her in person. I just want to know her better and be her friend."

And one of the savvyest cam models on ACF replies with her usual candor and wisdom:

"This camgirl hasn't scammed you as such, or not in the way I would consider naming a scam, but if you mean all she wants from you is money? 
Then yes, technically all camgirls are scammers, because money is exactly what we want from you.

Remember, camgirls aren't real. I know that sounds silly because obviously we are real people, but the people we portray and give you on cam don't really exist. 
You only see this one side of the girl which is not the side you would get if you knew her in real life. We are there to be enticing, to be sexy, to make you want us. 
What we are not there for is genuine friendships and romance. Not saying those cannot sometimes come out of it, but they are not what we're there for.

With camgirls, or in fact anyone you meet online, you see the good parts of them, the sides they want to show you, and then you make up the rest in your imagination, so yes it is very easy to form very strong attachments. I've "fallen in love" with quite a few people after having long interactions with them online, it's never real though, it's just my mind creating what it wants.

Don't worry, you're not the first, nor the last. You've made the right decision in stepping away from this girl, though a bit harsh to call her a scammer. I would not ever contact her again, and actually I would steer away from camsites altogether. You're clearly in a vulnerable position, something you need to work on, camsites are not for you. Try and get this woman out of your mind. She's not real. What you are doing is obsessing over a figment of your imagination. Do not ever think you can be "friends". That's not what you want and you know it. And you cannot be friends with someone who you feel that way about. Friendship is about mutual feelings.

It is not real love. Remember that. What you are feeling is no different from the many many overwhelming crushes I developed as a teenager on guys who really were just total idiots. What you are feeling is much closer to lust and obsession than love. It's not anywhere close to love. The feeling will pass, it could take more or less time, just try and not dwell on it, cut out any idea of going back to her out of your mind. Otherwise you really could mess up your head which in turn could mess up your life.

Telling her you think she's a scammer seems a bit harsh. If this was her only job, and folks were sitting around, chatting her up, and not tipping her, she could very well not have money for school, rent, and so on. It's a two-way street: she's giving you her time in exchange for money. Reminding you of that may feel somewhat distasteful, especially if there's guilt involved, but a scam is trickery, deceit, which is something else, entirely.

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Oct 5 13 10:00 PM

Re: you know you're a Camgirl when...

Re: you know you're a Camgirl when...
Usually when a vid of you ( or any square job having person) is leaked your embarrassed, your shocked ,your angry, 

you cant believe that some one would this to you... etc. Once your cam girl and a vid of you gets leaked your pissed off 
because A. people are watching you with out paying and B. Now free loaders can get to see all the "(insert here)bb" 
that they've been begging for.
All other emotions tend to take a back seat.

You might be a camwhore if..

When guys want you to dance with them at the club, you want to say gimme tokens or buy me some dranks.

When a guy compliments you, you think to yourself, if he really likes me, he'll show tokens.

When looking for outfits to cam in, you try to find a sexy, yet not too revealing outfit, but all you can find is 
butt floss and tops that won't even cover your nipples.

When a guy honks at you in public, you think to yourself, has he seen me naked on cam before?

When washing laundry, you have a lot of towels to wash because you're afraid to get things on the furniture and floor.

When you wash towels you scowl if they've sat too long in the hamper.

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Oct 8 13 4:07 PM

Re: How has camming surprised you?

How has camming surprised you?

The thread about jealousy over regulars got me thinking... Before I started camming I knew regulars existed, of course, but I didn't understand how common they are. I would never have expected so many guys to keep visiting the same girl time after time when they have thousands of other girls to choose from. To this day it kind of blows my mind that guys will repeatedly come back and spend money on me when they can have a different (quite possibly more attractive girl) for the same price (or quite possibly less.) Every time a guy with money to spend visits a cam site they're entering a virtual harem complete with thousands of girls who are just waiting for them... it seems like it would be every man's dream. But a huge chunk of customers are just visiting the same few (or even one) girl/s every time. This isn't just the occasional lonely guy pining for a connection or specific fetishist who can't get what he wants from just any girl. This is a common trend. Guys will come back to the same girl to watch her doing the same things every time when they could choose from any number of other performers. It blows my mind and has really made me question what I thought I knew about the male psyche.

Anyway, thinking about that got me wondering how other girls' experiences with camming have surprised them or made them rethink their beliefs. What did you believe before camming and how has it changed your mind? (Alternatively, what beliefs or opinions has camming proven true?)
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Re: How has camming surprised you?

    It surprised me that they pay at all!
    That half the time They don't even want me naked
    That I can get away without using toys
    That men are manipulated SO easily
    That men are babies
    That men are sometimes INTO being babies. (And other freakiness!)
    That some sites pay so little
    That girls actually work on those sites!!!!
    That camgirl actually means sales expert/ technical person/ artist/ writer/ pr exec/ promotional guru
    That other camgirls can be so nice
    That other camgirls can be such bitches...
All in a day's workWink02

Re: How has camming surprised you?

Nothing really surprises me now, but when I first started, it surprised me to see how many guys come on a pay site, but expect everything for free.       
    That I have no issues with stuffing my pants in my mouth, or turning a gummy bear over and over on my tongue for a guy to watch (or other weirdness)...

Re: How has camming surprised you?

-I'm surprised waaay more guys are into me than I ever thought. It's been really good for my self esteem. I intimidate men now!
-there are too many guys into incest/sisters/cousins/moms
-men seem to love age play & they generally love to be called "daddy"
-super surprised guys think we want to be with them when we have never seen them or spoken outside work.       

Re: How has camming surprised you?

I think through the years it suprised me how men are controlled by their cocks. How all reason, reality flys out the window and logic doesn't even enter the equation.

How far some go to lie to themselves.

Seeing the sheer desperate need to be validated by the opposite sex and in many cases the same sex.

How so many aren't straight but get off to the men that show up on 100% cam girl only sites.

How there are few that think for themselves when they arrive but allow the group to think for them.

Also anger. I didn't realize cam sites made a great place to express anger towards women in general for past issues.

How many fantasize about having sex with children.

Also the uglier a guy is the cheaper he is and also the nastier, demanding, and ruder he is <--- This has been my experience. Hotter guys tend to be much more generous and expect less.

Sites (usually owned by men) tend to give more options to harass annoy and stalk cam models even when it's clear it's done by the members that don't spend a dime on their own site.
Also some new or indy sites (owned by men) tend to have one unprofessional male team member that attempts to harass the models for free shows or hook ups in person.       

Re: How has camming surprised you?

Before I started camming I believed that I would feel really degraded doing it. I thought it would make me feel self-conscious to put my body out there on display for complete strangers to critique. I had heard about camming about 4 or 5 years before I actually started and when I first discovered it I thought I could NEVER ever do something like that, I would be way too shy and would never have the guts to expose myself like that.

My reality has surprisingly been that camming is the most liberating job that I've ever had. For every guy that calls me fat, ugly, etc. there are 20+ lined up telling me I am beautiful, sexy, "the best." It's been a marvelous ego boost. Instead of becoming more critical of my body since starting camming I've truly learned how to own and rock every inch of me, flaws and all. So yeah, I've been completely shocked that camming has actually significantly raised my self esteem.   

Re: How has camming surprised you?

How amazing my regulars are.

How little most sites pay.

How easy it is to troll the nastiest of trolls and make their sorry little insecure asses regret treating a woman badly.

How easy it is to control a room full of people. My social skills have increased ten fold since I started doing this job.

Things I thought would be problematic are not. Guys value your personality far more than your looks. 
I have not lost a single regular due to cutting my hair super short. They all liked it, which was a huge relief.

How shitty some cam models can be to each other. I was really floored to find out that some models go into other models rooms to hawk customers/neg them
I'm better at this than I thought I would be, and I learn something new every day. I have a pretty nasty case of ADHD. 
 I usually quit once I master a job because I get bored and lose interest. You never ever stop learning in this industry. There is always a new challenge.

The old 'crazy stripper' adage doesn't really hold true for cam models. You REALLY have to have your shit together to make money.       
    
    


    
       

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Oct 9 13 2:57 AM

TRAINER wrote:
She is not inexperienced. 

She is fed up with bullshit.

I would bet that she is frustrated, angry and tired of stupidity.


TRAINER, she is interpreting the questions literally.  Someone tired of stupidity does not intentionally make herself look stupid by expressing a naive interpretation of the questions.

Model Wrote:
You're not in the same geographical proximity as the person on your computer screen! You can't feel or touch or smell things that aren't in the same fucking room as you!

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#194 [url]

Oct 10 13 11:57 PM

First, I know she is interpreting things literally with sarcasm too.


And now....

Quote of the day:

Dear Diary,

I am so

so


so 

so fucking tired


of 

TALKING ABOUT COCKS

and dicks

and penises

OH MY GOD

OH

MY 

FUCKING


GOD

your cock is small?! HOLY SHIT
your cock is big?! HOLY SHIT
you want me to talk to you about your cock? HOLY SHIT
you want me to talk about other guy's cocks? HOLY SHIT
GROUNDHOG DAY BB, GROUNDHOG. DAY.


Holy holy holy narcissistic penis-sexual penis-centric sexuality OHMYGOD.


OH



MY 




FUCKINGGGG


GOD /


SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT YOUR COCK, SOMEONE ELSE'S COCK, ANYONE'S COCK ALREADY


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH /banshee scream

love, rxxxxt


P.S. ill keep taking your money and requests with an excited smile and try to pretend that this is all new, but..... oh. my. god. ohmygod. OHMYGOD. OHMYGOD


Ummm... what in heavens is she trying to say(sarcasm). But of course she will listen to a customer drone on incessantly about his cock, because it pays well. Yet, you can kind of tell, it bores the shit out of her, and she would welcome something a bit more normal or intelligent.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Oct 11 13 10:32 PM

I wonder.... again....

I have been reading another forum(guess which one lol) and I see more and more the term and description of members having an "expiration date".


I wonder if some who use that moniker for members because they stopped paying a specific model for her time and entertainment, is in some aspects flip-flopped and that some are not acknowledging something else that those "expired" members have stopped paying them.

The models describe an "expiration date" in regards to a member or regular that used to spend on these models but now either their income from those members has dramatically decreased or stopped entirely. To those models, they now claim that custie has now reached their expiration date. They use that term when they realize the member has become a nuisance, a time waster, a freeloader or even worse a royal pain in the ass, perhaps bitter or even angry towards a model. 

But, perhaps, the reverse is true as well. I noticed one of our members here wrote that they will simply stop paying or visiting a model because she either became annoying or not something they want to enjoy their time with. With that premise, I realized perhaps, that models have an expiration date as well to members.

Has any of those models thought that could be the case and to make them feel better or positive they reverse or subconsciously deny and bury the fact that they themselves have become no longer interesting to a member or simply stated, the model has reached their "expiration date".

Something to think about boys and gals.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Oct 14 13 12:53 AM

A models blunt admission towards their visitors

Default Re: banning a reg

I've had regulars drop money during my free chat sessions, and then send me their life stories VIA email or PM. I mean... EVERY... DAY. They pester me about whether I read them or not and such. It's like, I may work from home, but I go out and about too. I'm not a super hermit who has nothing better to do of her days, and reading their emails is unpaid time. 

Guys like that are clingy and irritating. And I can't put up with that. They think that by being "nice" and "vulnerable" will give their tokens more value. I'm not their psychiatrist, or their best friend. They want to tell me their sob stories? They should take me private and tell me all about it. Only THEN will I give them my full attention lol. It would only be my job to do so.

I think this highlights what is important to some. You guys have to pay to have a cam model be your psychiatrist or friend, or basically have someone listen to your life's issues. But I must say that I think some models from poorer countries do the same with some of their customers as well. You have greedy, heartless insensitive bitches and then you have those who actually want to tell you their problems. Go figure, in the end everyone gets or seeks what they need. Is taking a model private a replacement for seeking psychiatric or a real person to speak with and tell someone your problems or life stories? Which is cheaper? Which one ends in a good conclusion or actually resolves a persons problems? And why do these models "lol" when speaking about the stuff they deal with? Is it because they are making bank of some "fodder"? Do they really give a damn? Lol, of course, they do, as long as the $$$ keep rolling in.

Hmmm reading further on why they ban a reg... they feel you members are a dime a dozen. I bet members feel the same way towards the models as well. A virtual merry-go-round, revolving door, an endless supply and demand, like the mail at the post office, it never stops, huh.

Talk about fodder, huh.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Oct 18 13 3:39 PM

The Streamate Thread

The Streamate Thread: Does Streamate just suck really bad for the last two days or have I completely lost my touch? 


Is Streamate really slow these last couple days or am I just ugly and old and no one is interested in me anymore? Welcome to the inside of my head. It's me huh? You can be honest.
You can go ahead and tell me that I am just old and ugly and no one wants me anymore. Am I the only one who gets really angry during times like this? I alternate between hatred and wanting to cry.
Is it just me, am I the only freak here? Am I the old, ugly freak that nobody on Streamate wants anymore? And while I am at it why have I had gas for the last two months?
Seriously I never used to get gas. Now I alternate between never making any money on Streamate and farting during gold shows.

Seriously I am going to lower my rates and put in an application at Walmart. Remember that thing called the American Dream? I didn't think so.
I went ahead and put in another hour because I can't afford not to. I made like six dollars, doing $3 gold shows for fifty cents a minute. 
Maybe if I lower my rates I will get some privates or exclusives.
In six hours I made about sixty dollars. I guess that is ten dollars an hour. Still better than Taco Bell? I haven't really kept up with what minimum wage is. 
Though I doubt Taco Bell would expect me to shove champagne bottles up my ass while I cry and choke myself on a massive rubber cock. Not that I don't absolutely love doing that.

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Nov 9 13 8:26 PM

Re: Camming has taught me..

Re: Camming has taught me....

camming has completely changed my life for the better, yes it is hard but I have learned SO much!

1. Not to take any bullshit from anyone!
2. I am finally financially stable in life
3. To love my body and want to eat better- work out every day and run more marathons!
4. Meeting amazing girls that i wouldn't have met elsewhere
5. How weird some guys really are
6. My sex life is so much better since i have discovered more about myself

there's so much more!! yes it has it's down side but more positive in my opinion!

Re: Camming has taught me....

The power of indifference.

Re: Camming has taught me....

That men are quite disgusting and cheap. Well, most of them.       

Re: Camming has taught me....

1. The world is full of weirdos and also there are many lonely people
2. Every single woman is attractive in the eyes of many guys.
3. Thanks God, many guys don't feel like they are cheating on their partners when they buy our shows because they are not "getting the real thing"
4. Most of time guys think with their second head.       

Re: Camming has taught me....

That men are worse than I thought they were...lol
Oh! and I learned about my menstrual cycle , and first tasted and found out where my cervix was at the age of 30...LOL.. I am such a late bloomer.
I am not always "NICE " But, I get the job done!
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Re: Camming has taught me....

Excellent thread!

1) A loooot about men, more than I can express here. Basically that they're perpetual children and it's a lot less stressful/disappointing if you treat/judge them accordingly.
2) That I'm way pickier about my looks than men are.
3) That I'm attractive/entertaining/charismatic enough to make a living just by selling my time and attention.
4) Quite a bit about computers.
5) That my effort isn't pointless. This is something that dozens of friends, family members, therapists, bosses and co-workers have tried to teach me (well, they've tried to get me to un-learn the opposite, especially the therapists) but I never quite understood until camming. It has its ups and downs but if I consistently log on I will consistently make money.
6) That anytime I'm in public I am possibly giving some perv a raging boner just from seeing my toe cleavage or hearing me sneeze. I kind of wish I could charge people just to see me.
7) That most people had truly terrible sex ed. Vaginas don't do that bb. No one's vagina does that.
8) That what other people think of you doesn't matter unless they matter to you.       
       

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Nov 10 13 11:02 PM

Add in the list :

Camming made me another person,
I learned soo many things, making me a smarter and open minded person
I earned the money I never would earn without it, making it possible to evolve/help myself and my surrounding beloved
It gave me experience you cannot learn anywhere...

Quoting and finding negative stuff is easy...mostly coming from bored models...
I never saw a positive minded and succesfull model finding time to mingle in forums...

Get it ?

Me

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