#21 [url]

May 27 12 5:04 PM

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Re: The psychological cost of being a stripper

    I'm not sure if you agreed with me just now or not . But I will say this... Either way, after being around men, working in a club as an exotic dancer... You are going to become conditioned to seeing and hearing the worst in men. You will begin to either realize (pick your reality) or believe that men are unable to control themselves, that they are weak and will have sex with anyone, the only constraint being whether or not they can get away with it. Also that men see with their eyes and their fantasies and probably don't focus on whether or not their partner is honest, loyal, responsible... hard working... None of that seems to matter as opposed to maybe a younger woman with a younger shapelier body, blonde hair... or whatever..

    When you work as a stripper you get to know this aspect of men in spades and you begin to either believe or realize that men can't be trusted, that they do whatever their penis wants to do, given the opportunity.

    Also, my theory is this... "Women who get into the industry and see this aspect of men and are okay with it generally are okay with it only because they are already familiar with this aspect of men and use it to their advantage." And that is the "damage" I think we are both referring to. Often times I think that early introduction to the bad side of men was "daddy" and how he cheated on mom or sexually abused a daughter. Or maybe it was an uncle or even a cousin or a brother and that early introduction to the bad side of men generated a "reality" for the young girl who witnessed or experienced it, that men are "pigs", can't be trusted and the only way to control them is with your body. I suspect that the women who this relates to are the ones who generally bank and tend to avoid getting screwed by men because they don't trust men.

This isn't about hating sex work, it's about recognizing why you can make lots of money in a strip club with the unfortunate side-effect that you may come to distrust men. Also being exposed to pseudo rapists on a frequent basis and just dirty, creepy, abusive men makes for sexual shut-down in some cases, typically vacillating between hyper-sexual and shut-down sexual states.


Western Sex Tourist in Thailand..but actually "sex tourist wannabees" don't have to travel that far to find an exotic adventure when their local strip club offers "extras-girls" from Colombia or the Ukraine.
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May 30 12 2:00 PM

cool.gif Hmmm interesting thread comparing "camming" and waitressing..
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Re: Can you make a living off camming?

   
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    I think it's possible for just about anyone to make a full-time living from camming. You just need to find the right site (or sites) for you, work regularly and establish a fan base. You may not be rollin' in the dough but you'll undoubtedly make more than minimum wage.

    I often work very little (sometimes as low as 30 hours per month) and I still make just enough to pay the bills. Of course, it's never good to be THAT lazy. When I actually put effort into camming and try to work at least 20 hours a week, I make more than enough to support a family of 4. I'm not a $10K/month earner or anything close to that, but I earn enough to be satisfied by my standards. And that's still only working part-time hours.

+1 on this! I just started earlier this month and have worked about 30 hours so far. I'm not rolling in money, but I've made more than what I would have waiting tables.

I don't mean to threadjack, but I find waitressing more emotionally draining. I can't give rude customers and coworkers the Ban Hammer in real life.




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May 30 12 2:22 PM

What are the job expectations for cam girls?? Is it true that "you are not here to make 'small talk, but to f*ck yourself?'" Some responses...
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    I'm still not 100 percent on this whole camming thing. So sorry if this is a stupid question. Can you just strip down nude, tease, and be sexy and still make money? Or do you have to play with toys, touch myself, etc.

That's what I do! I just feel too weird right now to use toys. And yes you can still make money


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    Yeah but you have to admit the % of people that want to see you fucking yourself is much higher than those that don't lol

There is a large % of people who ask me to see anal. I have no desire to do anal so I don't and give up the chance to make more money than I do now.




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    There is a large % of people who ask me to see anal. I have no desire to do anal so I don't and give up the chance to make more money than I do now.

Yeah but an even larger percent ask to see MASTERBATION lol if you fuck your pussy I can bet you will make a lot more money vs someone that doesn't get naked or masterbate. Anal yes a lot ask but still it's not as big as fucking yourself.....



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PLEASE don't let these guys pressure you into doing anything you're not comfortable with. The awesome thing about camming is that you can assert control and make decisions. You can draw lines. You can move those lines. You can erase those lines... all as YOU see fit.

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May 31 12 12:49 PM

What to do in private? "MAKE THEM FALL IN LOVE WITH YOU.." lol
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Is there any cam site I can go on, make money, and not be nude?

   
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    What site do you use? & what do you do in private? That's what I'm most nervous about, I feel like I would be all awkward because of my nervousness haha

Dude. I don't know. You can probably use any site. If you are young and cute, and can commit to 4+ days per week on cam, try MFC. If you are anything else, try Streamate. I can't vouch for the traffic anywhere else. You really just have to get out there and try something.

What do you do in private? You MAKE THEM FALL IN LOVE WITH YOU. Engage with your viewer, and everything will fall into place.


You're nervous about being awkward? Guess what... you WILL be awkward for a while. You will probably lose a few viewers because of it. You will fuck up sometimes. You will go mute sometimes. You will hate your viewer, panic, and turn off your computer sometimes. We've all been there, that's normal. Welcome to the world of 'trying new shit'. ;-

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Jun 5 12 7:43 PM

It seems that there's another "Bad Actor" on MFC besides some of his members- Leo Radintsky himself - who enforces his site's rules rarely but arbitrarily..
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warning: THIS aint pretty!!! Im furious!!!!! RANT!!!

    I was fined $100 for attempting to advertise another competitor website on my MFC profile
    Me:
    what is this in my earnings...?////
    -2000 tokens
    in return -fines collumn!!!!

    MFC's answer:
    Click Violations in your Model Admin to see the reason. You were promoting a competing company (*****) in your profile in violation of our rules. If you ever do anything like that again you will be banned.

    Me: Damn.... So Sorry!
    While everyone else is promoting whatever the hell they want, I thought it was ok.
    Discrimination much?

    MFC answer:
    http://wiki.*MFC*s.com/wiki/Rules_for_...tising_and_spam
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    so ..
    After working for over 10 years on these sites..
    after helping these motherfuckers get rich by helping them have yet another ( GOOD!) model online ..
    after providing hundreds on FREE shows for their POTENTIAL customers so they can get rich year after year..
    after paying my taxes like a good fucking person that I am...
    after doing whatever I had to do to entertain their paying customers so that they spend again and again...

    I dont even deserve a fucking warning?????//
    " listen bitch!!!! stop! 1 time warning"
    I dont even deserve that??????
    Do I deserve getting bitch slapped at the first ( and it was my first) attempt to... do what lots of others do???
    WTF!
    Why are we treated like that?
    Fucking abuse! Thats the word.
    No one cares for us. For me better said.
    Its the principle. Dont sucker punch me!!!!!!




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    I cringed.

    If they really didn't want you to do rule-breaking stuff they wouldn't fine you for it, they'd kick your ass off and never allow you to return. So they're collecting a nice little chunk of change for people who are willing to roll the dice. You just gotta decide if you're a gambling gal

    (and of course, the people who roll the dice and earn them a bunch of money get to stay...for the most part)





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    This must be MFC new money making venture, to selectively fine models. I hope all their top models hear about this and end up moving to another site. There is nothing more that I'd love to see then the Thunderdome burn.





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warning: THIS aint pretty!!! Im furious!!!!! RANT!!!

    Holy cow. Now that is something new. I've never heard of fines and while I don't support rule breaking in any form...MFC is no-man's land (haha, literally. the only rule they enforce is NO MEN).

    I was told a long time ago that the only reason most of these big box sites even have "rules" outlined is to cover their own asses, I.E. a model does something that breaks obscenity laws and/or broadcasts to minors, the site can go "look, we have it in the contract that it's not allowed! she chose to break the rule as an independent contractor" blah blah blah. I watched that NatGeo doc about escorting that's posted down in other work and all the escorting agencies in Las Vegas do the exact same thing. They dance around the topic of being paid for sex and swear they don't endorse it for legal reasons, but they know exactly what's going on when they send those girls out for "private dances". They really don't care as long as money is made and if you get caught...well, that's on you.



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Jun 6 12 12:32 AM

You just know there are certain rules MFC will enforce:

1. no men on camera
2. no children on camera
3. do not advertise other webcam sites on your profile page or in chat
4. do not bypass MFC's payment system. For example, if you use Western Union to receive money for shows and get caught, MFC will take all of your tokens one minute before the end of the payment cycle and ban you.

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Jun 9 12 2:02 PM

cool.gif In addition to Students, lots of the independent models who "cam" are WorkAtHomeMoms.. Here's some comments about that from them.
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Mothers who cam

    I am a mom of five and find it hard to find time to work at times. What do you do to give you time to work?




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    I think in a way, all us mothers feel as if we could be doing 'better'...I am a single mom where the dad is still around so I'm lucky I can work if he's with his dad...even though I work during the day and he has racing and karate I still find it hard to find time as well. I basically use the time at night so I know I have time to focus and will not feel bad for not logging on. I typically will wake up at 7 and work out (which I think is key to keeping a healthy head and body) and after I drop his off at school I'm at work then off then make dinner and pick him up and go to either karate and/or racing then he either goes to my house or his dads. I give myself some time on SW and am on until midnight. I figure its hit and miss as far as the money goes...atleast your putting in the effort and if it's going good...1am isn't too bad as 6 hours of sleep is still pretty good. During the weekend I try to be on for one 'day' so I feel as if I put in the effort. The only time I feel stressed about it is if I'm telling myself I should've just logged on...that's where my guilt comes in...anything else I can handle


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    I don't have family support, and we can't afford daycare yet, so my three-year-old is always with me. This means that I can only cam at night after he goes to bed. I'm generally on between about 8:00pm and midnight; sometimes a little later. Now that my boyfriend has started working days again, he's able to help out at night with putting the little one to bed while I get ready. I can't do day shows until I can get a computer of my own and do it in the bedroom on the bf's days off, or until the little one is old enough for school (or we can manage to get him into daycare). It sucks, but you do what you gotta, you know? I use the day hours to update profiles, respond to any messages, and send out videos and photos if anyone's ordered them. It's not much, but it's all I can do.




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    Well I have an almost 2yr old & no childcare whatsoever. No financial support either,therfore I do what I have to. The only time I get to cam is at night when he's asleep. I can usually put in a good 8hrs depending on how perky I am. We're together 24/7 & I have gone out exactly three times since he was born. I also aim to cam at least 5 nights a week which means I only sleep with him at naptime[no more than 3hrs] & on the weekends. I'm trying to work my a** off so I can afford childcare & get back to colledge[I'm 23]. So I get no sleep & I have no life. Ahhhh.....the beauty of Motherhood!

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    THANK YOU FOR THIS THREAD i a 3 year old little girl and DAM I am sooooooooooooooooooooooo tried most of time, going to the park and doing therapy when she she goes to bed, I do not feel like camming or anything




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        OP, Excuse my ignorance but how can u manage the situation having 5 kids one after the other almost and doing household and still willing to cam? I mean it amazes me how can u guys can manage with all expenses, how u had the courage to give birth to 5 kids and not let ur body rest in between, docs say ideal is to give body 3 years to recover after giving birth...

I mean sorry again but I just come from different world here (Eastern Europe) and my life was and is not easy at all, i divorced when my son was 8 month old (dad became alcoholic), now my son is almost 18 and i am almost 38, i know my life was soo difficult trying to get a well paid job that pays my bills and food and all, my parents will watch my son in village area till he was 7 and then i bought him home and put him in school. That exact summer in 2001 i started to work in a studio as a cam girl and after i saved enough for a pc/ cam/ internet i started working at home on my own, so i was at home with my son and watch him, i was working nights when he was asleep, i was always tired especially cause i have a condition with my eyes and i cant be at pc more than 4-5 hrs a day/ nite. After some good years my son and family that visited often understood what my job is about, they understood this is the only option to keep us alive so here i am still camming. Tried to go off cam for like 2-3 years in between but the jobs i could get simply did not pay enough to keep us going. I am still single cause i don't have the courage to get involved with someone as i am not willing to tell what i do 4 a living.
     
  My son's dad died from alcoholic coma and pneumonia in 2009, this is soo scary when u think he died at 39. I mean if i had 5 kids with him and being together still and he was the only one bringing money at home, if i'd lost him i'd be fucked up with no income to raise my kids. The Gov't here gives for each kid a messy $12 PER MONTH as child benefit. My ex did not care for his son so it was me only raising him up and i did and still struggle a lot.
      
Some members from US told me that for each kid u have there u get a nice amount of cash and that some women will give birth to kids just to get support from gov't cause they prefer not to work for whatever reasons. Happens the same in UK, i lived there a year, moms can live nicely w.o working, just pay all from the benefits they get from govt. Here we get nothing, if u get sick and cant work anymore u fucked up simply (this is my biggest nightmare).
      
Again, my comments ARE NOT intended to hurt anyone's feelings, God bless all of your kids and bless u and partners, wish u good health and long lives so u can bring ur kids up and offer them good living condition and education, i am just amazed how can some of u girls have the power & courage to do all these things. Guess i am too traumatized by my own life experience to give a man credit that he'll take care of me and our kids whatsoever.


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Jun 10 12 11:02 PM

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My Family discovered I am a Camgirl...

    I don't know where to start with this story.
    Well to give you an idea of my story I just turned 18 in March while I still was in high school and I started webcaming as soon as I turned 18 since I was unable to find a job so I can move out before I go to college. Unfortunately I live with my divorced-bipolar aunt since my mother has always been in and out of prison and my father abandoned my brother and I before I was even born. Most people in my family do not get along with my aunt including me. I discover webcaming was perfect for me I can still concentrate on school, work whenever I want, and make nice quick money even on worst night when I made $54 for 5 hours, I am still better off doing webcaming then working a job that pays $7.25. Although I have been webcamming since April. I have only earn alittle less $2000 due having laptop issues and lots of school work along with figuring out what college I am going to, ect. Of the money I made I
    have spent it on securing my dorm which was over $300, 4 AP test which cost $90 a piece so another $360, money to fixed my laptop over $150. Now I have alittle over $1000.

    Last week was graduation for me:
    While I was getting ready, my aunt log onto my computer for work purposes and to be nosy and found out what I have been doing. What a horrible graduation day!!! She took my computer that she did not buy and my payoneer card. I had already paid for plane ticket to stay with my cousin for the summer ( she was the only person who knew I webcam although she was not the biggest fan she accepted what I did and understood why especially in my situation. Unfortunately I cannot get a refund from Southwest due to me getting the "Wanna-Get-Away" ticket. I am unsure what to do.

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Jun 13 12 3:20 AM

Can anyone here answer this newbie model's question? What privacy rights can she expect on MFC once she has signed away her ass as Leo's content? Oh, NVM...
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Privacy? Am I entitled to any? (Im new to to camming...)

    Sry if I seem paranoid but....

    Im on *MFC*s now, and i had to sign something saying that mfc can use my images in any way they want..So my question is, is there a cam site that doesnt make you sign something like that? I dont want to work for a company like that. Also Ive heard that private chats can be recorded (fffffuuuuuu) but can public chats be recorded as well? Im thinking probably.

    I literally just started doing this so..Im kindof afraid of hackers. bored guys that just want to mess with a model...I was talking to a guy (he seemed nice) on mfc and he said that once he heard that a model's fb page got hacked. Sigh.

    It sucks that I have to pay this price just to have some fun. I deactivated my fb...I just dont want my fam knowing im doing this...although it might be inevitable in the end.



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    Are you entitled to it? Yes! Will you get it? Prob not. Some sites like SM will load yout videos to tube sites. MFC like others will use your pics in ads. Thats right those girls dont make extra or pose for MFC. Came across an Xpeeps ad the other day and the girls didnt know they were on it. Plus at some point a customer will record you. I want to sound like a downer but it happens. All you can do is take every effort to protect your privacy. Good Luck Hun!



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Jun 13 12 11:02 AM

Comments by SuzySmarz on her web-blog...

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The Public Diary of A Webcam Model

Saving Up For Studies
Posted: September 4, 2011

If one day I become big enough in my career where they do a full on scandalous background check and find that I was once a  webcam model, I am here to say one thing: I did it to make it. I did it to save the money I needed to do the career I wanted. Some girls waitress, but that money isn’t enough to even get by. Some girls dance, but then they have high risks of stalkers and people touching them. Well I webcam model and live responsibly. I save my money wisely, as well as spend it accordingly to live a proper life later. Right now I am working on saving up for a graduate-style program. No it’s not a PH.D or masters, but it is something that I love with all my heart. I’ve loved it a long time, and finally am getting the nerve to do it. I just need to save up as much as possible to make it to where I want to be. And after my program, I will be ready to start my official career that will take off into my dream.

To all those other models out there hear this now: save your money! Don’t spend it on clothes, shoes, and frivolous outings. Save up as much as you can because this isn’t going to last forever. Put a roof over your head, a standard shirt on your back, and food in your tummy. Put the rest away for your dream career. Whatever it may be: nursing school, kindergarten teacher, police officer, pastry chef- whatever it is, please! Save it now and don’t touch it.

On your time off cam, take a minute to find yourself. Find your talents. Find your dream job. Make it a place in your heart, save your money and go for it.


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    Webcam Model says:
    October 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM

    Hey, just found your blog and just wanted to say its fascinating. Can’t belive guys have found you in the real world. I’ve never heard of that before! Glad to hear you have an ultimate goal and that it’s just a means to an end. Looking forward to reading future updates. Wishing you all the best.
 
  iPartyChat says:
    November 14, 2011 at 6:13 PM

    Glad to hear that at least some webcam models aren’t blowing all the money they are making. Keep up the good work and keep us post here on your blog.
 
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    December 27, 2011 at 2:20 AM

    I don’t expect you have anything to worry about, even with a full background check. Even if anything were to show up it wouldn’t mention the site or what you did. It would be some very vague description with the name of a parent company.




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The Public Diary of A Webcam Model
Your Fantasy, Your Reality, Your Dream


Honesty
Posted: February 20, 2012 in Uncategorized


I gotta be honest…cam modeling can sure get depressing. Yeah, sure, the pay is good. And I don’t have financial worries like the rest of the world’s source of stress, but the damn gig gets me down sometimes. After 2 years, I’m really sick of having to depend on guys to tip me for my income. Guys to fall for my personality to stick around, since I’m not getting naked like the rest of them. It’s easy to flash your tits, lift your shirt for money; the hard part is pouring your personality, character, and good soul into entertaining the people. My followers, the non-nude fans, want me for me…and the hopes one day I’ll get naked and they’ll be the first to see it all exposed.

But as the days go on, I just want out. I’m SO close to starting my dream job and every day that I’m not doing it, I’m on cam shaking my ass and shimmying my tits. I’m more than this, and I know it.

I’m going on cam way less than ever before. Weaning myself off the huge income and onto a simpler life. I may be downgrading my vaulted-ceilings for normal ones this coming summer…who knows what I’ll simplify. But really, my dream job is never gonna make me rich- just happy. And that is what life is truly about.

Most dying people regret working so hard and not following their dreams. Well, I’m the opposite. I’m going to love working hard AT my dreams. For my dream life. A mediocre house in the suburbs, a nice family and dog, and helping people be healthy and happy.

Happiness. Believe it or not, it’s a choice. You have to LET yourself be happy. Let go of the past things that piss you off, even if it was just yesterday. Let go when people cut you off or flip you the bird, even when you’re going 80 yourself. Letting go of things and living for yourself (and loved ones) is oh-so important.

I’m going to end my lavish run on cam with a nice vacation, and then get down to the nitty gritty, day-to-day, normal job. A normal life. Trust me, more people want normal than lavish. rich. expensive.

It’s true: Mo’ money, mo’ problems. No doubt.

So no, I don’t want a five-headed shower, heated tile floor, electric wine opener, or gold dusted appetizers cooked by a home chef. I don’t want a mercedes, BMW, or Porsche. America drives people into jobs they don’t want, to buy things they don’t need. It truly is ridiculous. It’s the little things in life that matter. The laugh. The kiss. The warm hug. When someone pulls you close. The coffee break. The home-cooked meal. The look in his eyes. The jokes. The walks in the park. The all night talks. Truly, find what matters in life and forget the rest.

My advice: don’t become a cam model. Work a normal job and enjoy knowing you have nothing to hide, ever.


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    February 20, 2012 at 1:00 AM

    Your honesty is one of the things I’ve always liked about you. Your honesty, your energy, intelligence, and passion for doing only what you believe is right is why I even go back to MFC at all, just to see if I can spend a few more stray moments with you. The rest of them are just naked people, and it doesn’t mean a damn thing. If you were ever to get naked on cam I would lose my faith in human will power, you’ve shown more strength than most people have to give, even just by not being seduced by the money or the pressure.

    I know that you only know of me, that you don’t know me, and you don’t care to. I know that I don’t really know the real you, I only know the version of you that you’ve chosen to show anyone who finds themselves in your chatroom. At the same time, the little of the real you that I have been fortunate to spend a handful of hours with is proof to me of the great and wonderful person I know you are.

    To others being a cam model is their goal, for you it has only been a means to an end. It has served its purposes for you, and now you are a few short steps away from working in the field you’ve dreamed about. Your means to an end will help you change the world, or at least help people in it. You will never again question if what you do is right, you’ll love it and live for it everyday. That passion is something so many people are jealous of, and they should be, because they don’t have the same will to follow their dreams and make their own dent in the world. They are content to take what the world has handed them, whether it’s cam modeling or just some other well paying job they hate doing, but they’re stuck in it. You have never simply accepted what you could take easily, and I’ve always admired that.

    If you choose not to go on the cam again I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t miss you. Of course you rarely ever see me on anymore either. You’ll also get no judgment from me, you know where I stand. You probably don’t remember, but I’ve said it probably since a month after first catching you on MFC when you first joined, and you’d see me coming back night after night: If I ever write a book, you’d be the person I’d want to write the foreward. To hell with anyone who might say you aren’t qualified to do it, if it’s my choice, I don’t know anyone with more integrity that I could choose to do it.


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    hi says:
    February 22, 2012 at 12:01 AM

    Just that part about happiness made this probably the best blog you’ve ever written.
    
    Nadya says:
    February 22, 2012 at 2:21 AM

    Your honesty about the melancholy you have related to being a Cam model is so poignant. I was actually pondering doing what you do for extra money but because of this entry likely will not.
    
    stacydean says:
    February 28, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    I was clearing out old messages in gmail and found an old post update notification message. I clicked it.

    Finally, dear. Finally. Welcome back. And good for you. Now go have a happy life, OK?
    
        WebCam Model says:
        March 2, 2012 at 9:07 PM

        I am leading a happy life. =] Thanks Stacy. Hope you are doing well.
       
    Theclientslist says:
    March 4, 2012 at 10:55 AM

    Just found your blog. Great post!! “Normal” is what I’m striving for…
    
    Layna says:
    June 2, 2012 at 12:09 AM

    I find camming to get more depressing the longer I’ve been doing it. At first i thought it was a great way to make some much needed extra money and i truly enjoyed it. Now most nights i find myself dreading it. I admire you because you have a goal and a job you are working towards. I don’t want to cam much longer however unlike you i’m very lost and don’t know where to go from here. I have no dream job to work towards. I go on cam less and less and the bills aren’t getting paid and depression is setting in. But what you said is very true and I wish you all the luck and happiness in the world when you reach your goal and can say good bye to the webcam


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    Hmmm short story....I couldn't afford food (among other things) bc I lost my job and I got sick and tired of eating fried bread. When I got to that point where all I could afford was a loaf of bread to feed myself and my child, it made me realize that I needed to take a serious look into camming.




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    This is a great topic. Thanks for posting it! My story might be more long-winded but you put it more eloquently that I will...

    I used to strip, and it wasn't out of desperation exactly, it was the smartest choice I could make to get out of a bad marriage at a young age without ending up in financial trouble. Stripping was awesome; took to it like a fish to water as it were. Then the extras girls got desperate, the guys got grabby and demanding, my body was starting to hurt every day....my psyche was being destroyed by being manhandled and treated like a piece of meat with no control over my clientele. I made fantastic money, really, but I couldn't enjoy my life--so it wasn't worth it.

    I took a year off after I found out I have some pretty bad health problems and used that year to rest, relax, learn, write, travel, and discover. Then reality hit and I live in a tiny little town and have a pretty bad fear of driving (which I am conquering! I'm driving out of town this weekend!) and I just couldn't find anything I really enjoyed. I knew a lot about the fetish world and wasn't afraid of being kinky/freaky/dirty on cam to strangers...easy after doing it in real life with them grabbing at you at the club! I didn't believe you could actually make anything but a few bucks doing fetish camming. I figured you had to do some stuff I wasn't comfortable with (fisting, anal, toys, etc) to make anything at all but I took a deep breath, had a glass of wine and got on cam. And made some money. Enough to keep me doing it. I think I originally got the idea from random web searches and "Other Work" section on SW... it just seemed too good to be true, working from home like that. And sometimes it is, on the slow days, but it evens out...

    I cammed on and off for a year, and eventually just worked with a few clients on Skype and made my living that way. But those clients started to run out of money, so I found bartending job that paid decently but left me grumpy, sick of cattiness, sick of slow business, and in pain all the time. I stuck with it for half a year before jumped back into camming. It was terrifying (just re-started yesterday), and it's rather slow going, but I am glad I re-discovered it via SW.

    I am not one of those types who adores this job; I don't see it as my calling, and I don't have it in me physical or emotionally to do this 40+ hours a week and save save save/invest invest invest. So for now it's something to hold me over until I DO figure out that calling. Saving in the meantime to work on plan b--going back to college.

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The Fine Line Between Friend and Customer

    My shows aren't exactly sex shows. Most of the time, I am in underwear and a top and I just chat all night. Which sounds great but, because all I do is talk, guys talk to me about everything and get very personal etc.
    The problem I have is them trying to meet me, get my phone number etc, I'm finding it hard to keep up the rapport, but still kind of remind them this is a business! I sell my number, but a lot of my regulars seem to think they should get it for free!
    I even had a guy get all teary eyed last night that he couldn't meet me!
    Any tips??? xxxx



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    my phone number is done as a package, so 3 texts a day and one pic for a week, so it should be obvious it isn't going to be free!


Girl, of course it would be obvious to any model on here, or any rational thinking person, for that matter. You are providing a service to them, of course you are entitled to be compensated for that service. Nothing more and nothing less. BUT, you have to remember that some of these guys who claim they're in love with you and are clearly getting emotionally involved with your cam persona are NOT rational. I'm not trying to customer bash in any way, in fact I would say that MOST customers are not like this, but really, what emotionally stable and healthy guy would spend hundreds of dollars a day just to chat with an a girl? It's one thing if they are paying for a show and they are just looking for a visual aid to help them masturbate, but the guys who tip "just because they like you so much" and start feeling possessive have some Serious issues. So you've got to throw rational expectations out the window when dealing with these guys.

I've had guys try to pull the line that it's getting expensive and why can't we just talk and email for free? It's hard to reply without offending them and potentially losing their business. I've told one guy in particular (who was never a big spender in the first place) that I can try to email him when I can but I've got to give my attention to the paying customers as it's only fair to them. A lot of times I just don't have the time/energy to engage in long conversations because my paying customers keep me busy and I need to make sure I am keeping them happy. At that point the guy will either take the hint and continue tipping, or will keep it moving. Every regular, no matter how loyal, has a shelf life, and even if you do everything right there comes a point where a guy just drifts away. Other that trying to remain diplomatic, there's really not much you can do to prevent it from happening.




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    Jessxxxx

    Just train them like you train a puppy. Money = attention.


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This one qualifies as not quite "from the mouth of babes".. but from "BBs"?
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Starting Place For Cam Girls

    Hi Ladies. I am a newbie here, but not new to the adult industry and life. I myself have done my fair share of camming. It truely does amaze me how much power women have over men. GO GIRLS!!!

    One thing i would like to add is to always be yourself. I believe that some girls think that they have to be skanky, dirty and allow men to treat them like trash to make money. That is so fair from the truth. From dancing, to doing live adult webcam shows I've always been myself and prided myself on not pretending to be something i am not. I know men like to think they are Hustling us on those cam sites, but we all know who the true Hustler is *THE LADIES/MODELS*.


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    Is it normal for guys to be almost overly sweet at first? I had an "I love you" right away... should I play along but keep an extra guard up? Since I'm new I'm not used to these situations. Could he just be living out a fantasy?


I think all of us have had (at least) a few "I love you" guys. Play along but never trust anyone.



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Should women get paid for sex?

    I've been exposing myself to a lot of sexual shows to relax my mind and get focused on my passion. But I notice with the women in the shows, they're always either in a couple or they're getting paid as nude models, prostitutes, etc.

    It makes me wonder if there always has to be an additional catch with women's sexual expression, like they're in love or they're getting paid for it.

    One prostitute said she's not like sluts because she's a professional. Another got into a huge fight with a regular woman who cheated on her husband, saying she holds women to a higher standard as wives and mothers.

    Camille Paglia the abrasive anti-feminist/feminist scholar haunts me to this day. She thinks promiscuous women are fools and that women who express sexuality for money are goddesses, that women should only express their sexuality if they're getting paid for it or they're in a committed relationship.

    It just makes me think I'll never be happy. I wish I had never heard of this woman. I wish the double standard didn't exist.

    It makes me want to concede and forget about other sex positive jobs like Planned Parenthood and just go back to stripping so I can feel she respects me (even though I've never met her), that people are ok with me, that I'm somehow put in check, that I have power instead of just pleasure. So I won't hear her voice anymore or have her follow me around the house criticizing and berating me.

    What do you guys think? Do you think I should "give it up for free" or only as sex work? What do you think of Camille?


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    Hell yeah, women should be paid for it. I feel the same way as this lady, personally. I feel like, why spoil men when u get nothing back in return but just an orgasm(if you're lucky). I'm not into casual sex. Done it a few times and it's just not my thing. I like having an emotional deep connection. If an opportunity of FWB comes up, fkn pay like an arrangement.

    I don't think promiscuous women are fools....women should do whatever the fuck they want and what makes them happy, first of all. Just be safe.



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    Yes I do agree with Camilla. I honestly deep down think that women that have sex for free with everyone and anyone are idiots. I also think that the majority of the time the women that do this don't use protection opposed to an escort that uses protection when she's having sex with a client. As an escort, I have "civie" friends that have no clue what I do and they'll come and tell me all about their wild night screwing 4-5 guys - I'm sitting there thinking "Wow what a dumb ass you could have gotten paid well over 2 grand for that" but I just keep mum. If women want to go out and have sex just to have sex more power to them but I think it's stupid. At the end of the day they have a lot of miles and nothing to show for it LOL!




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    i was constantly broke before i came into camming.
    i applied at supermarkets and god knows where else for a parttime job.
    i couldnt do fulltime as a student and so i was pretty useless for most companies.
    after more than a year seachring for a job, i was like "hey i have huge boobs, why not sell them?"
    a friend of mine is escort, so i had no problems asking her what her job was like and if it was something for me aswell
    after considering it, i also found out another friend already DID webcamming, i asked her about it and she definatly made the better cash.
    then i looked camming up, read articles, blogs and finally came to SW (:
    after lurking here for months i signed up and days after i started camming.
    and i love it. best work ever.

    if you're a confident girl, having no problems showing your body, camming is the MOST awesome job you'll ever do <3
    ofc i'll have a "real job" one day aswell, but i'd have no problems going back to camming!



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    My first night was on SM a couple years ago. I was using my Macbook with the built-in cam and I don't even know if my audio worked. I can't remember. But I know I was too scared to talk, so I just typed. I'm not a natural flirt, so it was really awkward for me at first and it actually still kind of is. I don't think I made a whole lot of money, maybe $30. There were only a few guys coming in and out of my room because my placement was probably awful, and I know my quality feed certainly was.

    The guys were really nice at first, not like they are now. It wasn't a bunch of "show pussy bb" and "you're a whore" like I get a lot of times now. I watch some of the new girls when they first start, and I can't even believe what these guys say to those new girls.



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May 2010 Entry from The Public Diary of A Webcam Model. She's a "non-Nude model" but still struggles with the stigma associated with "cam-hoing.."
Thanks to Trainer for reminding me to give this Diary more of my attention.
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A Song and Dance of the Mind

You know I try and justify my actions with the whole name , and the whole attitude, and games I play, and the cooking, and the classrooms. I try and justify my actions with this blog, this site, the non nude revolution, the recruiting non nude models with talent, the pride of being a never nude, all of it is a justification to myself, lying to myself telling myself, I’m not like them, I don’t do that stuff but when it comes down to it, I’m just like them: another woman on the internet selling her sexual acts for money. Another whore.

No I have never gotten naked on cam. No I have never shown my breasts or ass, but there are a whole lot of slutty things I have done. So if you got to see them, good for you because I’m cutting them out of the show. I’ll be sexy and I’ll be me, but that’s about it.

I love shit talkers for a reason. They knock me off of that pretentious pedestal. I used to have extremely low self esteem, and I have a habit of polar cognition. That is, all or nothing thinking. So once I decided to not have low self esteem it seems I have decided to be a narcissistic bitch. Good Job psychologist, you let me know my faults but I am still doing them! But hey, at least I didn’t have to pay ten bux and sit an hour in a room getting recorded to figure this one out. I opened my eyes to this fact: I’m a pretentious dirty whore, who thinks shes better than everyone because shes an organic vegan, honors, coast living, self sufficient, independent, gets whoever she wants, whatever she wants, woman.

For a while there I thought this was a good thing. Thinking, “I’m a career woman. I don’t need anyone. I don’t want anyone. All I need is myself, my dog, and my beach.” The first piece of art I got for my place says, “It will cost nothing to dream & EVERYTHING” under a picture of a lemon, and lemonade. When I got this, I thought, “It’s costing me nothing to dream. what does it mean cost everything to dream?” Well now I know. Alienation. Isolation. Alone. This is the cost. But I wanted it didn’t I ? Be careful what you wish for… because it’s a-coming. Alone time I enjoy, but not actually being alone from the persons I care for most,and want to be in my life. This damn Erikson theory constantly pops in my head: Isolation Vs. Intimacy in the age of 20′s-30′s. This damn thought is handicapping me, making me choose, but of course I want intimacy. It even sounds so much better, besides the fact that it is. But who with is the problem, and because I know my career and where I am headed and what I want to do, it feels like I should just choose to be alone. Who can handle a woman working her ass and cleave for tokens? Gross is all that comes to mind, imagine what a nice guy would think. (barfs in mouth a little) probably. I mean I try and justify it, over and over again, but I still come back to: you’re still a fucking whore.


So high up on that white horse

You think you’re better than a whore.

But all you are is what you make,

Your life is just a game.

Get up off your high horse and dance!

Get up off your high horse and dance!

Get up off your high horse and dance!

Dance the night away. Forget about the day.

It’s a new night now. So let’s hit the town.

Get what you want and get it now.

Forget who you love no matter how

Much you tell them everyday;

This is the life that you have made.

Get up off your high horse and dance!

Get up off your high horse and dance!

Get up off your high horse and dance!

Dance the night away. Forget about the day.

It’s a new night now. So let’s hit the town.

Up alone on that high horse,

You think you’re better than a whore.

But all you are is what you make,

gold tokens daily you will take.

Only gold tokens daily you will take.

You end up alone so cold and down.

Not a soul to dance within the town.

You lie alone in your bed, wishing you wouldn’t have left.



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I hate how when I look at a woman that I have known since kindergarden go about parading herself masturbating on her own website, with nudey pics, all for free. No she is not a famous pornstar, or getting paid in the least. I mean, if you’re going to parade your naked self, and let the whole world in, at least make a living off of it. And then when I go and offer her a great website and advice on how to do this, she insists that her website (alone, no marketing) will make money on it’s own. No, you need a start. You need somewhere from to lift off and get going.

I just don’t get why some women, no matter how smart (she was an honor student in school) or no matter how supported (handed everything from her parents), they go down a wrong path.

I mean, as a psych major, I do understand why certain people make their choices, but still.. it grinds my gears to see someone that I once cared so much for, give away herself, her beauty.

And I can see how my parents or ex or something would feel exactly the same way, even if I never got/get naked on cam, or masturbate or anything, but still I AM giving away MYSELF, for money or not, large sums or small. It’s just nice to see people do whats “right” in each of our own opinions, and especially if we once cared for them at such a high degree.


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It Pays the Bills, She Says

When I first started as a cam model, I loved the money. It was easy, quick, and made me feel sexy. Then I found out how it was just all fake self-esteem from skeevy guys jerkin it to me, and was pretty down.  I got back up again and decided to own it, trying to stop the teasing section of my shows, and just cook, clean, dance, and workout. I did that for a while, and made a decent amount. I fell in love with being on cam and getting attention from hundreds of lonely, bored, and (some smart) men. I liked being beaten down by the critics, and working myself up. I liked acting crazy, rapping to Eminem, and just going all out to see the reactions. I was getting over a hard time in my life, and covering it up by delving deep into what I called “work.” My heart was sore, and I had to do something to get my mind off of it. Going on cam was a good distraction. It still is at times.

And now, I hardly go on cam. I just go on to make my money and then get off to spend time with my boyfriend, who (forgivingly) accepts what I do, but continuously urges me to dive into my career of choice: nutrition and social behavior.  And so I really want to make a living on what I have been to school for, but its not anywhere near as much money as going on cam to dance around my living room. How sad is that? The nation of lonely, bored men pays cam girls more than they would pay a nutritionist with a psychology background, to help them eat healthier, and be happier. I guess more men want company than to be told what to eat, and to spend more money on organic food, which they really don’t care about. They’d rather spend money on having a girl strip naked and talk to them all night, for the temporary happiness. My happiness is like prudence, it is long term and based on the future. America isn’t focused on long term. They are focused on NOW. They want their food NOW, in convenience. Who takes time to chop up a pineapple if you can buy half of one already sliced and diced for you? Who takes time to make ravioli if you can buy a Lean Cuisine for a 1.79 at Ralphs and be satisfied?

It pays the bills, but when will my career pay the bills just as well? Probably never.



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Personal Space

Being a webcam model is an interesting “job” to say the least. When I “Go Live” I am hoping to make a certain amount each night. First thing to come to mind is the money. Get the tokens and get off. But then comes the chat. Then comes the people. They’re real people on the other end and I can’t help but strike a conversation. Oddly enough, some guys look for a girl with personality along with her sexiness. They pay to chat, to hear funny stories, and just have a good time with a pretty lady. Some are from the army, or at least claim this background with all their might, and others are in parts of the world that are secluded to pretty women. I’m not claiming to be that “pretty girl” at all. They just tell me these things.

It is a weird concept to chat to these fans who we might as well call friends. Facebook conversations happen outside of being live on webcam. Connections are made and pictures are seen. Real life occurrences happen over the net, and its no longer just a “job.” It becomes a personal experience. Relationships are formed and emotions are felt. When you first start to cam “model” it’s just about making ends meet, getting the bills paid. But then it becomes so much more. Gifts are given, birthdays are celebrated, days are remembered. Memories are made on the webcam. Across cities, states, and countries, people connect through this tiny Logitech Lens.

Sadly, I’ve had some people cross these boundaries and enter my real life. Stalkers have found my address, guys have crossed the line, and even some tried suicide. Crazy shit! It drove me away from the webcam for months, making me think “what the hell is wrong with people?” And now I’m back. With a different outlook than before, I carefully chat and let people know my boundaries will NOT be crossed! What possesses someone to want to meet me? I’m not famous in any contents. I don’t have paparazzi. I have lonely guys trying to reach out to me for just a second of my time. It is truly sad when you consider it, and most don’t mean ANY harm at all. It just freaks ME out as a young woman who originally came on cam to just “make ends meet.” And now I’ve ended up as an icon for the never-nude models? I don’t know. Webcamming is a whole lot deeper than the tokens.

I am told to not let my emotions be provoked. I am told to keep my emotional distance. This is the hard part. Staying close enough to be internet friends, but far enough to not let on any ideas that these guys will ever meet me In Person. Webcam okay, facebook chat okay, but hugs? No thanks.

Some say I am cold; I say I am cautious. As webcam models, we must keep our distance at the right amount. Not too close, not too far. Just right.

Sometimes I feel bad for just leaving some of these guys who are trying desperately to keep the conversation going, but I have to remind myself: this is my job, but these are real people. Everyone wants a connection. Nobody wants to be alone. And some of these people actually have interesting things to say, cool ideas, and funny remarks. Some of these watchers, who don’t pay me take it off but keep it on, are real, down to earth, men. And I wonder, why aren’t they out meeting great women to be by their side? Or what situation are they in at home that they feel the need to chat to me? What makes ME different than the rest of the women? Well, I try. I listen and respond. I get into it, admittedly. I do. And I get lost.And I get honest. And.. they see that. All live happening. And they come back, and see that this girl is real, no matter how hard she tries to act or fake it, she is real. She is here with us.


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PASSION

Well hello googlers who came upon this blog because you were searching for “how to webcam” “webcam whores” and “the cam girl diary.”

What is the life of a webcam model? Well I’m not like all the rest (even if we make our money the same way) because I know this isn’t going to last forever. I don’t take off my clothes or use dildos like most, but I still make money on a webcam. Many models email me asking, “How do you do it?” but when they attempt my methods, they fail. I call myself “The Number One Never Nude” because after going through about 30 different models in my studio, all of them got naked. All of them! I was surprised at first, but not too much anymore. Getting naked isn’t a big deal for most. I like to keep my private parts just that- private. The only one who gets to see me walk around the house naked is the one person who cuddles me and calls me beautiful when I unplug the cam. A support system is vital when you’re a webcam model- So get your friends and family on your side before hiding a secret job of stripping and teasing.

Money comes, money goes, but a webcam job doesn’t last forever. I spend my money on bills, put some away for later, and search for my true passion. I’m educated and therefore responsible with my money. Many models go out and spend it on exorbitantly priced items like leather shoes, designer dresses, and long vacations. Luckily, I’m no fashionista and just put that money away for later. Of course it won’t be nearly enough to last a lifetime, so I search for my niche.

I sort through cook books, photography websites, and dream of a bed and breakfast. I think about marketing something, writing a book, or creating a line of this or that. Realistically speaking, I know not to venture into huge government jobs or corporations. I know I won’t be happy behind a desk all day and need to be keep myself busy in other means. I need to be moving, making, or creating.

I don’t know how or why some ladies are on their cams at 30, 40, and 55 years old. Some have babies, children, and teenagers who are perfectly capable of finding them live. So I’ve got a few years to work hard, save money, and find my passion. Will I go back to grad school? Maybe. Will I own a business? Possibly and hopefully. One thing is for sure, I won’t be on webcam if I’ve got babies screaming in the background!

I have so much passion for organic food, bettering the public education system, and creating art. Currently I donate to these three things for them to become better, but in the future I will be the one distributing the money to the right locations. Good ol’ non profit work and helping the community…I can’t wait.

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I love shit talkers for a reason. They knock me off of that pretentious pedestal. I used to have extremely low self esteem, and I have a habit of polar cognition. That is, all or nothing thinking. So once I decided to not have low self esteem it seems I have decided to be a narcissistic bitch. Good Job psychologist, you let me know my faults but I am still doing them! But hey, at least I didn’t have to pay ten bux and sit an hour in a room getting recorded to figure this one out. I opened my eyes to this fact: I’m a pretentious dirty whore, who thinks shes better than everyone because shes an organic vegan, honors, coast living, self sufficient, independent, gets whoever she wants, whatever she wants, woman.


That's me. She described me to a tee. I have written shit on this forum bluntly and like a prick, just to get this point across to people. Yet, from a cam model it has more validity, doesn't it. Hmmm.

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Be careful what you wish for… because it’s a-coming.


I think I wrote this a long time ago on this board.

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This damn thought is handicapping me, making me choose, but of course I want intimacy. It even sounds so much better, besides the fact that it is. But who with is the problem, and because I know my career and where I am headed and what I want to do, it feels like I should just choose to be alone. Who can handle a woman working her ass and cleave for tokens? Gross is all that comes to mind, imagine what a nice guy would think. (barfs in mouth a little) probably. I mean I try and justify it, over and over again, but I still come back to: you’re still a fucking whore.


A nice guy, hmmmm. I admire her for her honesty and admissions here. I used to be a nice guy, now I am just a prick who knows better. You can thank people like Proximus for desensitizing this work and the emotional aspect of real people becoming intimate, he will never understand this. To him it is just a job and a business, fuck the humanity of it all eh.
This is just for you, PROXIMUS, you asked what happened to me? Well if you can't comprehend it from the above quote, then I have no respect or hope for you understanding anything outside the box at all.

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I just don’t get why some women, no matter how smart (she was an honor student in school) or no matter how supported (handed everything from her parents), they go down a wrong path.

I mean, as a psych major, I do understand why certain people make their choices, but still.. it grinds my gears to see someone that I once cared so much for, give away herself, her beauty.

And I can see how my parents or ex or something would feel exactly the same way, even if I never got/get naked on cam, or masturbate or anything, but still I AM giving away MYSELF, for money or not, large sums or small. It’s just nice to see people do whats “right” in each of our own opinions, and especially if we once cared for them at such a high degree.


Damn does she hit a cord or nerve. This is for you, camgirl and Proximus, because you avoid and deny and dismiss, the fact that 2 people can actually meet in the cam world and strike up a real loving and caring relationship. Becuase all the odds are against the member, and basically, members no matter how they act, or interact, they are are judged and stereotyped by the desensitization and greed that people find themselves in. For the people who did have a relationship with a woman who worked or works as a cam model, even if you truly do care and love that women, there are forces working against you being trusted, and respected for whom you are. It is simple, because someone told all you women to treat all us men as fucking fodder, eh.

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When I first started as a cam model, I loved the money. It was easy, quick, and made me feel sexy. Then I found out how it was just all fake self-esteem from skeevy guys jerkin it to me, and was pretty down.  I got back up again and decided to own it, trying to stop the teasing section of my shows, and just cook, clean, dance, and workout. I did that for a while, and made a decent amount. I fell in love with being on cam and getting attention from hundreds of lonely, bored, and (some smart) men. I liked being beaten down by the critics, and working myself up. I liked acting crazy, rapping to Eminem, and just going all out to see the reactions. I was getting over a hard time in my life, and covering it up by delving deep into what I called “work.” My heart was sore, and I had to do something to get my mind off of it. Going on cam was a good distraction. It still is at times.

And now, I hardly go on cam. I just go on to make my money and then get off to spend time with my boyfriend, who (forgivingly) accepts what I do, but continuously urges me to dive into my career of choice: nutrition and social behavior.  And so I really want to make a living on what I have been to school for, but its not anywhere near as much money as going on cam to dance around my living room. How sad is that? The nation of lonely, bored men pays cam girls more than they would pay a nutritionist with a psychology background, to help them eat healthier, and be happier. I guess more men want company than to be told what to eat, and to spend more money on organic food, which they really don’t care about. They’d rather spend money on having a girl strip naked and talk to them all night, for the temporary happiness. My happiness is like prudence, it is long term and based on the future. America isn’t focused on long term. They are focused on NOW. They want their food NOW, in convenience. Who takes time to chop up a pineapple if you can buy half of one already sliced and diced for you? Who takes time to make ravioli if you can buy a Lean Cuisine for a 1.79 at Ralphs and be satisfied?

It pays the bills, but when will my career pay the bills just as well? Probably never.


You see,even she views the reality of it. How sad huh. This is what people are creating there and it becomes part of the psyche of many a woman in reality too. Otherwise you have become just so desensitized to it all, that the only thing that matters is the money, who cares about anyone but for yourselves eh. She kind of got it right, because most of these American members or similar, fit her description to a tee. Good luck to us all. When we all have lost focus on what truly is important in life. I have sympathy and empathy towards us all, but I doubt many can change their ways. "It is what it is"..... bullshit, I say again.

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Personal Space

Being a webcam model is an interesting “job” to say the least. When I “Go Live” I am hoping to make a certain amount each night. First thing to come to mind is the money. Get the tokens and get off. But then comes the chat. Then comes the people. They’re real people on the other end and I can’t help but strike a conversation. Oddly enough, some guys look for a girl with personality along with her sexiness. They pay to chat, to hear funny stories, and just have a good time with a pretty lady. Some are from the army, or at least claim this background with all their might, and others are in parts of the world that are secluded to pretty women. I’m not claiming to be that “pretty girl” at all. They just tell me these things.

It is a weird concept to chat to these fans who we might as well call friends. Facebook conversations happen outside of being live on webcam. Connections are made and pictures are seen. Real life occurrences happen over the net, and its no longer just a “job.” It becomes a personal experience. Relationships are formed and emotions are felt. When you first start to cam “model” it’s just about making ends meet, getting the bills paid. But then it becomes so much more. Gifts are given, birthdays are celebrated, days are remembered. Memories are made on the webcam. Across cities, states, and countries, people connect through this tiny Logitech Lens.

Sadly, I’ve had some people cross these boundaries and enter my real life. Stalkers have found my address, guys have crossed the line, and even some tried suicide. Crazy shit! It drove me away from the webcam for months, making me think “what the hell is wrong with people?” And now I’m back. With a different outlook than before, I carefully chat and let people know my boundaries will NOT be crossed! What possesses someone to want to meet me? I’m not famous in any contents. I don’t have paparazzi. I have lonely guys trying to reach out to me for just a second of my time. It is truly sad when you consider it, and most don’t mean ANY harm at all. It just freaks ME out as a young woman who originally came on cam to just “make ends meet.” And now I’ve ended up as an icon for the never-nude models? I don’t know. Webcamming is a whole lot deeper than the tokens.

I am told to not let my emotions be provoked. I am told to keep my emotional distance. This is the hard part. Staying close enough to be internet friends, but far enough to not let on any ideas that these guys will ever meet me In Person. Webcam okay, facebook chat okay, but hugs? No thanks.

Some say I am cold; I say I am cautious. As webcam models, we must keep our distance at the right amount. Not too close, not too far. Just right.

Sometimes I feel bad for just leaving some of these guys who are trying desperately to keep the conversation going, but I have to remind myself: this is my job, but these are real people. Everyone wants a connection. Nobody wants to be alone. And some of these people actually have interesting things to say, cool ideas, and funny remarks. Some of these watchers, who don’t pay me take it off but keep it on, are real, down to earth, men. And I wonder, why aren’t they out meeting great women to be by their side? Or what situation are they in at home that they feel the need to chat to me? What makes ME different than the rest of the women? Well, I try. I listen and respond. I get into it, admittedly. I do. And I get lost.And I get honest. And.. they see that. All live happening. And they come back, and see that this girl is real, no matter how hard she tries to act or fake it, she is real. She is here with us.


Yeah isn't that something. Placing people on a pedestal. Oh people are more than just a name in chat? Really, you are a real person behind that"game" you portray online? What a concept. Welcome to the conflict of interest. This is the real world of camming. From stalkers to perverts to actual decent fucking people, but alas, they just all are fodder,eh.

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Money comes, money goes, but a webcam job doesn’t last forever. I spend my money on bills, put some away for later, and search for my true passion. I’m educated and therefore responsible with my money. Many models go out and spend it on exorbitantly priced items like leather shoes, designer dresses, and long vacations. Luckily, I’m no fashionista and just put that money away for later. Of course it won’t be nearly enough to last a lifetime, so I search for my niche.

I sort through cook books, photography websites, and dream of a bed and breakfast. I think about marketing something, writing a book, or creating a line of this or that. Realistically speaking, I know not to venture into huge government jobs or corporations. I know I won’t be happy behind a desk all day and need to be keep myself busy in other means. I need to be moving, making, or creating.

I don’t know how or why some ladies are on their cams at 30, 40, and 55 years old. Some have babies, children, and teenagers who are perfectly capable of finding them live. So I’ve got a few years to work hard, save money, and find my passion. Will I go back to grad school? Maybe. Will I own a business? Possibly and hopefully. One thing is for sure, I won’t be on webcam if I’ve got babies screaming in the background!


I have so much passion for organic food, bettering the public education system, and creating art. Currently I donate to these three things for them to become better, but in the future I will be the one distributing the money to the right locations. Good ol’ non profit work and helping the community…I can’t wait.



In bold type, is she describing just women from western located countries or all cam models? Well, I believe that she has never lived in a corrupt, and careless society like many individuals find themselves living in. I always wonder why a woman I have met on a cam site, says she lives in "Hell". Quite a description for a place they were born into, isn't it? I want to thank all the heartless people who care only for themselves in the world, for that. Catch my drift?

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I love shit talkers for a reason. They knock me off of that pretentious pedestal. I used to have extremely low self esteem, and I have a habit of polar cognition. That is, all or nothing thinking. So once I decided to not have low self esteem it seems I have decided to be a narcissistic bitch. Good Job psychologist, you let me know my faults but I am still doing them!



A narcissistic bitch, hmmm.... sound eerily familiar to someone else writing here on this forum.

Eh, thanks for allowing me to voice my opinions, thoughts and experiences here,Uncle. At least some have open ears and eyes around here. I never did anything here or there for me, although it appeared and appears that way, the only thing that validates bullshit is when it actually is repeated from the mouths of the babes.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jul 16 12 8:42 PM

A geezer busts his own granddaughter - after his co-worker finishes "peerving" her "naughty bits" on Tumblir - and Grandma is so upset that she's "cam-whoring, " although Mom seems perfectly cool with it.. Reality Show stories of American Family life from Candyland's new precariat.. No wonder the neo-conservative social critic, Charles Murray, entitled is his latest book on the downwardly mobile, white working class in the US.. "Coming Apart" ...
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Could just use some support. My family found out about my camming.

    I live with my mother, and she knows what I do and is 100% ok with it.

    My grandpa was approached by his coworker the other day who was like "oh this hot chick blah blah she does shows on skype"

    YEAH WELL THE HOT CHICK WAS ME AND THE GUY SHOWED MY GRANDPA MY TUMBLR PAGE. And you know people say "Well they have to admit looking at porn anyways to out you"? Well apparently my grandfather has no problem admitting looking at porn. He calls my mom bawling his eyes out. And my mom plays "dumb" and says she didn't know what I was doing and she'd "talk to me about it".

    Then my grandma calls me in hysterics talking about how I could go to jail or get murdered(thanks CNBC for planting these images in everybody head) and saying things like "how could you do this to our family". I'm upset with her reaction the most because I started camming because it was something I could do at home and I'm disabled. This job suits my needs so well. I figured she'd be the one to understand that since she too is disabled.

    Like I know the time would come that everyone would find out, but Now they won't talk to me and it's just ugh. I feel bad for my mom because now she IS trying to stick up for me and I feel like it's just causing more tension in the family already than what there was(as the only mixed race child in the family, and that side of the family is already pretty racist, it already causes tension, dont need more, especially not this!)

    I don't really know what to do from here. I mean fuck yeah I'm gonna keep camming, theyre not paying my bills, but, as for trying when/if they try to talk to me and just coping with it. I know I still have my mom. Idk. I'm just upset

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    Remember that other people are upset and the "guilt trip"/words your grandmother was using on the phone "how could you do this to our family (by camming)" - should really be "*I* find camming really shameful, *I* hope people don't find out. It's so embarrassing to *ME*. What will other people think of *me* because of what she's doing?" - sometimes people who are close to us get tripped up on if what we do is morally acceptable and how it reflects on them - it is an insecurity.

    Your grandmother finds camming "shameful" so she is internalizing it and then using you as the outlet for her own embarrassment. Part of it may not be her fault, the media has chosen to paint us still as the "bad/nasty/dirty/deserving-of-jail/rape/death/had-it-coming" etc. - but she has the power to control her emotions/what she believes. You are her grand-daughter. Maybe she's going through the "shocked" stage right now - but if she truly loves you she (and your grandpa and anyone else with an issue) will learn to work past this on their own time.

    One of my favorite things to say, (especially the one I love to repeat to my bible-thumping family for all of my "horrible sinful things" I've done in my life) - "If you love me, love ME - you can dislike the things I do, but love me for ME." If people are so hung up on "bad things" that don't directly effect or involve them? Well, then they aren't worth the effort. Family or friend.

    Bottom line you are NOT a problem. You are not bad. You have done nothing wrong. You have done nothing to harm or hurt another person. You are not embarrassing. You are not degrading yourself.

    Don't ever let them make you believe anything different.

You are a working woman. You are an adult who provides for herself. Runs her own biz. Makes her own money. Be proud of YOU.

Your mom is on your side, even with all of the family tension - that is an awesome mom you have. I don't know how close you two are, but maybe she can offer some good support while your family calms down.

I wish I had something better to say. I hope some of what I said helps. Good for you for not giving up on camming after this, I think this is the hardest thing of working in the sex industry - dealing with acceptance, and it's pretty rough - and shows you who really is there for you, thick and thin.

*HUGS*


Also, that co-worker...I smell a dick. The odds of you being a just a total random are kind of low? Unless your grandpa and this guy always swap porn on a regular basis?

I'm just picturing it as, "LOOK AT THIS HOT CHICK - teehee, it's your grand-daughter and I knew it all along ." Duuuuuuuuude. Keel him. Slimeball!



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    So sorry this happened to you. I told my family what I did because -for some stupid reason- I thought they'd be supportive. They weren't. It's going to be tough for a little while (mine took a year) but you stick to your guns and they will come around. You've got your mom in your corner, which is definitely a plus for you!

    Everything that Hayden said is right on, for sure.

    It took me a long time of very patiently, very calmly, reiterating facts and my point of view for relatives who were shouting at me and threatening me horribly. There were times when I had to tell relatives I would call the police if they kept threatening me and there were times when I had to say, "I'm not coming home for Christmas if this is the treatment I'll receive there." or "Remember, if you keep doing this, you will drive me out of your life and you will regret this." You're going to have to be the bastion of calm while these waves of fury and shame (your relatives) attack you. I found that not drinking around them, rehearsing my facts, reading sex worker support sites and cutting familial exposure down to comfortable, short blocks of time helped me a lot. You have a support person in your mom whom, if you bring up to speed on everything, can really help you fight.

    In my life, eventually people realized they couldn't make me regret my choices or fold under pressure and stop doing this. They started asking real questions then, which were stupid and ignorant, but I answered them truly and patiently. Eventually I'd answered all their questions and now they seem to be okay. Different relatives are different levels of okay, but nobody is calling my house calling me "hoooor of babylonnn!" anymore. My sisters actually bought the 40th anniversary edition of Penthouse that I'm in.

    It's going to take time and it's going to be hard, really hard, to maintain your composure. You will make it through and we will be here to help.

    Clever, ugly whore.



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Jul 17 12 1:15 PM

cool.gif Sometimes though even MFC has limits on "Bad behavior" in their chat rooms
Take for example, this exchange between an MFC member and an African American cam model that ended in him being banned from the site by MFC management.
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    MFC banned this prick from the site this morning.

    Always encourage your regulars to help you report a troll. MFC won't take it as seriously if you're the only one reporting them (all they'll do is issue a warning). They take it more seriously when there are several people complaining about a member.




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Jul 18 12 8:25 PM

cool.gif "Price Point" pressures on a"Big-Box" web-site"? Or Do "desperate times demand desperate measures?

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Do NOT Lower Your Prices in Desperation! (In conjunction with STOP BEING CHEAP)

    So, I just thought I'd post this because I'm super irked.

    I've been having a rough time on Streamate so I lowered my prices to $1.99 a minute from $2.99 a minute. It was only changed for maybe 3 hours and my income was MUCH LESS than when I had my prices higher.

    I have ONE regular. One. He comes in every day for a ten minute show.

    Today I get a message "Last night was fun, but Saturday's prices were better " from my regular.


    We train our customers. I have now shown my ONLY regular that I may not be worth what he pays, due to paying less at another time. Even though he's done over 50 shows with me at my regular rate, that ONE show at a lower rate has now changed the tone of our relationship.

    Do NOT LOWER YOUR PRICES IN DESPERATION. It will NOT help you and you may actually hinder you greatly.



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Re: Do NOT Lower Your Prices in Desperation! (In conjunction with STOP BEING CHEAP)

    on topic...thanks for posting this. i have been desperate and frustrated lately, especially w/my placement dropping (not because of the encoder, because of time on cam/hourly earnings going down). and the fact that i look around and see other popular models i'm usually placed next to dropping their prices (i'm guessing out of desperation)...weakens the hell out of my resolve. so thanks for the kick in the ass




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Do NOT Lower Your Prices in Desperation! (In conjunction with STOP BEING CHEAP)

    Yea I wish you could take the WAL Mart approach but you can't.. it's YOUR time and YOUR body you are selling.. not a bunch of cheap products.. and men don't think that way anyways.. but i wish it was so.. we could be billionaires.. like the Waltons by being cheap!




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Re: Do NOT Lower Your Prices in Desperation! (In conjunction with STOP BEING CHEAP)

    Good thread, and I think it should stay. Instead of "Stop being cheap", this is more like "Customer is pathetic".

    A once a month special???? For you to strip/etc for him on cam??? OMG No. Why should he, or anyone get a "special deal" on your services???? He is jerking off, it's not like he's trying to get a deal on a used car, or a discount oil change wtf. Tell him that you didn't even realize that your prices were changed, until later. That it was a site error.

    It's tacky enough that he even MENTIONED your prices to you...... but if he is trying to haggle your prices, he's a real scumbag and you don't need him as a reg anyway. Tell him if he wants to keep YOU around, he will pay what YOU expect or he can hit the road. In fact, raise your prices HIGHER than what you had them set at to begin with.

    There's plenty of girls on the site who charge 1.99, so he won't have any trouble finding someone cheap to jerk his meat to. Don't let those jerks manipulate you into giving them "deals".

    The nerve of some of these stupid guys, I swear.........





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