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Jul 21 12 1:28 PM

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Sunday, April 17, 2011
How foreign girls make money like American girls
As an American Camgirl I have an advantage, as do all my American Camgirl peers, and the advantage is that I speak perfect English and I know the subtle nuances of American culture (in short, I read American magazines, books and watch American TV-unless you count Vicky Cristina Barcelona, which is a super-hot film). Basically, I'm easy to talk to since MOST of my customers, as well as many other Camgirls I know, are American boys. However, if you have some exposure to English then you'll probably do fine like girls in Brazil or Colombia or even Mexico. Canadian girls are essentially American, but with a bit more chic, European culture and a little less tan. They totally rock and their paychecks keep them performing week after week.

Yup. American boys are not necessarily the horniest lads of the land but on average, they have the deepest pockets. And this is the name of the game. After all, nobody REALLY wants to shake their tail-feather for 6 hours straight if you are only making $1.99 a minute! I'll cease my blabbering.

My point is, if you want to make the most money per hour camming then you need to adjust and adapt to a culture that will LIKELY be your biggest set of clients. And these clients speak English and are generally American boys that watch The Simpsons, phart a lot, love watered-down domestic beer, and want to see a big bootie get spanked. In a nutshell, they're brats with money. And for the most part, they are tolerable brats so the excess of $100/hour makes it reasonable to get a bit kinky.

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Jul 23 12 7:08 PM

cool.gif Now here's a quote a senior MFC model posting in a thread on AC's Forum that parallels our own and infamous "friendship" thread in "Members Issues.." It seems relevant to the stories we're hearing from knowitall and others. A pretty clear line is being drawn here.
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Re: Can a model and a member really be friends?
Sat May 12, 2012 7:10 pm
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Nxxxxx wrote:Exactly! I wonder if when he goes to the store and they give him turnips when he pays for steak, he's cool with that? "Just business" right? lol That's such a cliché and I'm tired of it. Assuming a business, any kind of business, is a "special" exception to normal behavior and that corruption and deception is okay is absurd.


I do recall several years ago my pastor had a sermon about being nice. He said, "When somebody says "it's just business", you know they're not about to do something nice."

As far as I can tell, this debate has mostly devolved in to an issue of semantics and whether or not it's acceptable to cheat members out of money.

Pro tip: Any time you use words with negative denotations, it is bad. Deception, cheating, scamming - there are no ways models can use these methods ethically. And no, it isn't "just business". Good business practices do not revolve around lies and deceit.

I have never lied to a member and told them we were friends. I have never lied to a member to make them think I liked them, loved them, or wanted to meet them when it was not the case. Have my opinions naturally changed over time, so that a member I once liked now annoys me? Yes. That's just life.

Models are like salespeople. It is our job to make money, and some models do this by putting forth an attractive demeanor and being genial, polite, and flirtatious with their clients. To call this deceptive is ridiculous. If we were girls in a club who flirted with you for free drinks - that would be deceptive, because you are in a social environment where you do not expect to trade money for attention. If a salesperson took you out to dinner to convince you to buy paper for your office, you would probably be offended if they were not polite, courteous, and laughed at your jokes.

Because I'm an adult, and I have a capacity for empathy, I am not rude to every adult that I speak to unless they did something very mean right off the bat. Being kind - and yes, even being flirtatious - is my natural personality. Being friendly to people and (gasp) even enjoying their fantasies is rather natural for a lot of camgirls, and isn't a face put on.

Sometimes I talk with a client and he happens to be funny, smart, a good conversationalist, and I am a-ok with a new online friend. However, just by the stint of them being online, there are certain limitations to that relationship. I can never go get Chinese food with them at midnight, I can never yell at them until they come over and watch movies with me. It does not mean I do not have genuine feelings towards my friends, and to me it makes no difference whether they've seen me diddle myself or not.


But Then She Added This.. "Bounded Authenticity" has its limits if it interferes with getting paid.. But hey, it's her job, right?

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I don't think anybody is saying your relationship isn't real.

You met a camgirl, and you like her personality. Maybe she genuinely likes you as a friend as well. (In fact, if she spends so much time with you it seems more than probable).

But...

I follow a lot of sex worker blogs, I read ACF, and one of the biggest complaints all sex workers have is,

"He won't pay me anymore because he just wants to be friends."
"He says if I really like him, I won't charge him."

This is a problem because it is possible to genuinely like and be friends with your clients. When someone says, "I like you so much that I no longer want to be your client," that's not nice. It's hurtful. This is my job, and you know you support me - so why should I be happy that I'm not good enough for you anymore? That's what I think when the topic comes up. It's not, "oh, he likes me so much," it's "he sees my job as so degrading that he can't support me anymore now that he likes my personality."

I know that you have a special relationship or whatever, but in all honesty, if someone told me they were going to stop tipping me because they "value our friendship," I would be very hurt. Not because I frikkin love money, ho, but because they're saying, "Right now I see you as a manipulative and lying whore, and if I pay you, you will manipulate me. So I'm never going to tip you again for being nice or entertaining me because I don't trust your lying, whorish ways."

You went to a pornography site, found a girl that makes porn, and you refuse to pay her for her services because you value your friendship. To a lot of models, this is irritating, not sweet. Yes, she probably does like you - but don't expect people to sympathize with you. For the most part, we do not like it when people are proud of never tipping camgirls.


And then this reply by a member.. back to cold facts.

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Re: Can a model and a member really be friends?
Thu May 17, 2012 9:50 pm
I'm kind of a big deal


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she: if you wasnt my friend
she: I would steal all ur money


Everyone seemed to gloss over this little tidbit, but it may as well have been in bold neon with fireworks when I read it. I mean, this is not a person I would want to be friends with in real life, on the net, etc.

Really, "Since we're friends, everything's cool. But if we weren't, I'd be sucking every last penny out of your poor lifeless soul."

But as long as you two kids are happy...............


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Jul 24 12 1:00 PM

Some Interesting quotes regarding the drop in revenues on Streamate - even as their traffic keeps climbing due to free content - the MFC business model bites another web-site in the ass.
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Is anyone here seriously worried about SM long-term?

    I know there have been numerous posts lately about how horribly slow SM is for everyone lately.

    Usually, I use this site for new info/tips instead of support, but dammit I'm panicking SO hard right now. Please indulge in my rant for a moment. I've been working for a few months, and sometimes it seems like there are more things keeping me from camming than encouraging me. I'm a single mom and my son's almost two, so I can only cam for a few hours a day. That's my biggest burden. I wish that I could afford daycare, but with the way SM's going, rent's not even looking too good right now. The last night I made anything over $50 was two Wednesdays ago.

    Yeah, I'm panicking. For the past few weeks, I've just barely made payout. I have goddamn diapers to buy. And my son's clothes are getting smaller. Dammit, I'm downright angry

    The only financial keeping me afloat right now is the occasional child support payment and making clips on Clips4Sale. I also have a Clips4Sale regular who inspired me to write a blog, so that keeps me busy. I have a low-rated MFC profile, and I've tried other cam sites, but SM has always worked well for me. Up until now

    I'm sure many of you girls are going through something similar. Thursday night and still haven't made payout. Freaking out a little.


From Melxxxx . one of the best informed observers and analysts on SW
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Re: Is anyone here seriously worried about SM long-term?

    Arguably, SM and other adult webcam hosts have now reached a 'mature' business model. In a nutshell, this means that 'market growth potential' i.e. reaching out to new first time customers ( with actual money to spend ) has just about been exhausted. This also means that available 'labor' no longer lags customer demand. On top of that you can throw in the impact of HD, which has significantly increased 'operating costs' for webcam hosts where internet bandwidth usage and streaming server capacity are concerned.

    When any business shifts from the 'rapid growth' mode to the 'mature' mode, a 'value' equation then takes over. This involves 'quality' versus 'quantity' issues for the customer base. This involves 'cost control' measures being implemented by the business operator. And for better or worse this also involves an increased number of 'willing workers' having to compete for a no longer growing pool of customer dollars.

    SM is clearly now pursuing an emphasis on 'quality'. The obvious example is SM providing heavily favorable weighting for camgirls who invest in the necessaries to produce a true HD video stream. Another not so obvious example is SM also providing heavily favorable weighting for Porn Stars and other 'niche' girls. Thus the long term future of SM is likely to be very favorable for Porn Stars, 'niche' girls, and top camgirls ... providing they make the necessary investment to produce a true HD video stream. The long term future of SM for 'marginal' camgirls, for girls who cannot / do not make the necessary investment to produce a true HD stream etc. will be far LESS favorable.




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Is anyone here seriously worried about SM long-term?

  
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    While I agree with this in statement in theory, the sad fact is that a lot of girls have gone into this type of work because there was no other options for them. I am one of them. I have an severe anxiety disorder that makes a 9-5 job impossible for me. I know I am not the only girl here with this problem.

This is actually plan D for me. Plan A, B and C already failed. In this economy whoever coined the phrase, "you must have a college education to make it in this world" wasn't around for the depressions of the 1930's and 2000's.

Having a piece of paper or even two pieces of paper that claims you are smart doesn't even get you in the door anymore. I no longer believe plan A or B will come into fruitation for me again so am working on bringing back plan C to get out of plan D which is camming. I hate camming with more passion than any other point I have felt at my lowest.



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Re: The General Purpose "Camming Sucks Right Now" Thread

    No matter how bad it gets, I'm still extremely thankful to be making over $30 an hour. There are people with much higher college degrees that don't make that, they are miserable at work.



Another good analysis by a senior SW model.

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Re: Is anyone here seriously worried about SM long-term?

    I actually just posted a little something in verified about how mindset makes a MAJOR difference....

    But beyond that - No, I am not worried about streamate dying or disappearing....the sex industry is a pretty incredible one, because it seems that no matter what happens in the world, people will always pay for sex. ALWAYS. All that really matters is your ability to adapt to the changes in the industry as it grows.

    We have already seen some big changes recently, with the addition of gold shows. And as camming gets more media attention (all the various "reality" documentaries and shows about camming, as well as some sex industry memoirs), it leads to more girls working and more customers watching - which has its benefits and drawbacks.

    As Melxxxxx has mentioned many times in CC, SM cannot continue to grow indefinitely. At some point, there will have to be a change - it just won't be possible to allow anyone with a webcam to sign up, as the site won't be able to handle the load. I agree that the industry is starting to move toward quality over quantity.

    I think that both traditional studio porn and camming are going in the same general direction - an overload of girls wanting to work and willing to do anything (or near enough) for a quick buck is making it harder to earn the way that we used to. Why would you pay $5 a minute to see a girl dildo her pussy if you can spend $5 for 20 mins of anal fisting? The answer is that you will pay more for something that is high quality, or that is a "brand".

    The girls that are doing best, and that are the top earners in camming AND porn seem to be mostly the ones that create a persona - that connect their stream with a website, blog, twitter, etc. That do trade shows, crossover into other forms of adult work (pornstars camming, and cam stars doing print photos), and create a name for themselves. At the most extreme end of the scale, you have people who have become household names and brands - Jenna Jameson, James Deen, Sasha Grey - people that are publishing books, acting, etc etc.

    That said, I do think that it is still very possible to make good money without doing all that - but that will help to guarantee longevity. And it will help you weather the changes that happen as the site matures. It goes along with investing in the technology to support HD streaming - you CAN make money without it, but you are making life harder if you choose not to use it.

    I do think that in the next few years, we will see camming becoming something that is more and more a full time job, or a career, and less of a part-time fun-money thing where anyone can log on and make money right away. We have already seen this - it takes time to build up to a good level of earnings, whereas five years ago it was a lot easier to make money right away.

    If you are really concerned about one particular site, diversifying is a good idea. Splitcamming, clips, trying out other sites - basically giving yourself something to fall back on. Its a good idea anyway - if you are living paycheck to paycheck with nothing else earning you money, you are in serious trouble if you get suspended, or if the site goes down for a few days (for whatever reason).

    And finally, if you are really stressed about sites going under, or the volatility of the industry, it may be that this isn't the industry for you. I don't mean that in a mean way, and I know that sometimes there isn't a whole lot of choice, but this isn't an industry where you can get a nice stable position and coast along happily for the next 20 years. We have the ability to make incredible amounts of money for relatively little work/time, but the trade off is that it is a very unpredictable industry, and you have to be constantly adapting to changes in order to keep earning money. Some people thrive on the challenge and the uncertainty, and others just find it too stressful, and need to know where the next paycheck is coming from. If you aren't the kind of person that is comfortable with the possibility of making nothing one week, or dealing with sudden change, it's probably a good idea to try to find an out.

    I take cash, debit or credit. I just don't take shit.

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Jul 24 12 5:50 PM

UL, these models are just making up arguments. Articulate does not mean accurate. Alexa shows SM's traffic rank has been declining over the last few years. They used to have a traffic rank around 300 which was the second or third highest in the industry. Currently they are down to about 1,100. Their pages views are decreasing too, almost half of what they were 2 years ago. MFC has left them in the dust.

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Jul 25 12 1:25 PM

Camming and the student connection.It just keeps coming up again and again - raising the nasty question whether Higher Education in the US has become a "driver" pushing young women towards the sex trade.

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Re: Dear Diary : The Life of Real Cam Girls

    Dear diary
    Lately I have not been motivated to work, I even quit the studio I was working for thank goodness. I am ready to make some serious bank, though I would have to do that around a full class schedule and living dorms with a roommate that do not like to live the room. I am also worried about that if i start making serious money like over 1g the government will take away my financial aid because they will say Im making money and can afford my education when its 20 grand a year and rising and i go to a public university!

    I do not get this country they want us to work while in school but start making a little bit of money thats not even enough to wipe your ass with they assume you can afford 20 grand a year. since i am under 24 my parents are still financially responsible for me as this country so says on the fafsa application So I am stuck with the choice of making a little bit of money and taking out loans or using financial aid and STILL taking out large loans. but besides the little rant i just did, back to my camming life...chuckle

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Jul 27 12 4:36 PM

cool.gif Hmmmm.. a point of view from behind the screen on the differences between MFC and SM.
Can you imagine "fucking yourself 40 minutes out of every hour" day after day after day?

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Re: Why I Dont Agree With FREE!! Shows..And Groups shows
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:08 pm
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ML wrote:
The reason I like MFC is cause I have so much freedom to choose how I want to run things. As a model, I don't want fewer options! If I just wanted to do privates all day, I'd work on a privates based site, but not every model wants to do business like that. That's the beauty of webcamming, we can all do our own thing

Exactry!

If MFC didn't have group shows, I may have left the site already. Or started doing public shows...


I am also going to add, some women just don't have the desire or stamina to do sexual private shows all day. Working on Streamate, where I was fucking myself 40 minutes out of every hour, it gets tiring and boring. I fantasized about working again at my minimum wage job making sandwiches (yes, I literally did) because at least I got the company of my co-workers and I got to switch between making sandwiches, doing dishes, and wiping down the table. Variety is the spice of life.

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Jul 29 12 12:32 AM

Oh My God, I am shocked by what I see in open rooms on MFC..
Well, welcome to the club, kiddo...
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My Free Cams. Public chat. Im shocked!!

    Granted im very naive about camming still.
    I used a SM studio before.
    I like the layout of SM and seemed fairly straight forward particularly for a first-timer.
    So..anyway, im waiting for SM to approve a new account, so i signed up with MFC.
    Ive gone into the site to see what other girls are doing in general.
    AND I WAS LIKE !!!!!

    One girl, as i type, is in public chat doing full view anal sex.
    Shes requesting tips, but her price keeps going down and down and down. (started at 500, now its at 184)
    People arent tipping that often, and small amounts...but shes still there doing full hard-core anal with a HUGE toy.
    Other girls ive clicked on are full nudity too, and/or doing pretty explicit things.
    Is this the norm on this site?
    How does it work..?

    I did read other threads, but i just had NO Idea it would be like that..!!

    Why so much "free" explicit acts in public?
    Is that how it works..rather than private shows?

    Was thinking of maybe trying out MFC later on today, but WAHH!!!!???!!!

    Edit: ok now shes doing anal and then straight to vagina...shes gonna get herself a nice little infection...and for what, a few seemingly lousy tips. God guys must love this site..so much openly for free!!


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Re: My Free Cams. Public chat. Im shocked!!

    I don't recommend you do free shows out in the open. Minors are watching.



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Re: My Free Cams. Public chat. Im shocked!!

    Yup. That's MFC... it's a very strange creature.
    The site is mainly based off of public shows/public chat within the tip based system. Lots of girls do private/group as well but many do not, lots of the top girls do not offer privates to anyone except high paying regulars who first "prove themselves" in public.. and some don't offer them to anyone. But yes, naked full blown public cum shows is the norm on MFC. Girls will generally do a countdown for x amount of tokens until their show happens (in public chat) ... USUALLY there is only a few of the girls regulars tipping for the show, and then a bunch of freeloaders pile in when the going gets good to watch. Shmh.... It is a really strange system, it works for some and utterly fails for others. MFC has huge earning potential for those it works out for, but the trade-off is that hundreds (and thousands) of people are seeing your shows completely free of charge.



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Re: My Free Cams. Public chat. Im shocked!!

    If I were you I wouldn't bother with public cum shows on MFC. When I started there about a year ago I dabbled in the public shows and what I quickly found was that three or four guys would do all the tipping for the show to start, then when it got going 100 more guys would pile into the room, hurling demands but not a single token. All that did was annoy me, and annoy the tippers who made the show happen, because if three or four tippers contribute 500 each toward the show, they're often just as happy (if not more) to take you private instead of sharing with a bunch of guys freeloading off their tokens. You can still do countdowns for all sorts of things that don't involve pussy. You can make a rule that you save pussy for private or group.

    And like Busygirl mentioned, minors could be watching. ANYONE could be watching. Kinda icky.




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Re: My Free Cams. Public chat. Im shocked!!

    Yeah basically on mfc you can get everything for free it's pathetic. Stupid rich guys and their tipping wars that is all. Then the lower ranked models see it and think they need to do the same and they'll be rich too - but it won't happen. Stick to private shows. You won't get as much privates as you would on adultwork, because the guys will stick around as long as possible in freechat to see if you get naked for free first.




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Re: My Free Cams. Public chat. Im shocked!!

   
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    It's none of your business and it's her problem that she is lowering her value.
    I have never understood this.


I believe it's the business of anyone else working on the same site, what other people are doing in free chat. If some girl is doing an explicit show in FREE chat, that absolutely has an impact on me. Not only is she lowering her own value, she is lowering the value of every single girl on that site because has a big sign blaring:

"HEY! WHY PAY FOR A SHOW WHEN YOU CAN GET MINE FOR FREE!!!"




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Re: My Free Cams. Public chat. Im shocked!!

    even though they are not doing it for free since they aquired a large sum of tokens before starting the show.. lets say 3000tokens for a cum show in freechat. 5-10 pay the 3000tokens, and 1500 people watch the show. 1000of which are usually none registered guests. 300 are basic members.. probably underage. 190 premiums who have tokens but have not any need now to tip her. Some might throw in 20-30 tokens during the show, so she might make an exta 200tokens during the show. But she has still given away a free show to the 1450 people who did not spend a fucking dime. So for this reason I do not and will not ever condone free chat explicit shows of any kind. I don't even care if she makes $20000 a month and is constantly Miss MFC. She is still ruining business for the rest of us. That $20000 comes to her from the same small group of rich sugardaddies everymonth, and the poorer blokes who would usually spend on a private show with a cheaper girl now need not pay anything to anyone because the rich fella's are providing them with free fucking shows in public. Yes, disclaimer, I work on MFC and I do well on MFC, I am a topless only model in freechat.. I would do much better if the customers didn't come expecting free tits pussy and ass every 5 minutes. Thankyou for listening goodbye


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Re: My Free Cams. Public chat. Im shocked!!

    I honestly don't see the big deal, really, in doing public masturbation shows. If you don't want to do it, fine. If you've found a way to do non explicit shows and make $$ that way, great!!!
    There are clearly girls out there making $$$ by just dancing around topless or in their bra and panties & showcasing their great personality - that's their thing. If these girls are making money, obviously there are some guys who WANT to see that, otherwise they'd sit and freeload in a room watching a girl fuck herself.
    Imo, find what works for you, and what you WANT to do, and do it. If that means shoving a dildo up your ass or pussy, than so be it. Obviously these girls don't CARE that there are a ton of non paying guys in their room, they just care about making money.......and who here DOESNT care about making money?
    That's the whole point of camming, isn't it?




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Jul 30 12 3:27 PM

OMG, I am shocked by what I see on Streamate.."It's becoming just like MFC.." Hmmm. Do we see a pattern here?
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    Yea... So dead tonight. pff. Did a gold, just to pull in some custies, but not much.


You know something, it wasn't dead. That's the sad part about it.

I clicked on every chat room on pages 1 and 2 tonight to see if it was just me and from what I saw these guys have absolutely no reason to spend a damn penny. Messy blow jobs in 4 or 5 of the chat rooms, spitting, lotion all over the place, chics licking and biting their fucking nipples, feet to the cam showing the soles, then the toes then licking them. There was even one girl tit fucking her dildo and spewing lotion all over her tits.

I can't compete with this shit! My niche is GONE. Why even bother with soft core anymore. It's all over the damn place!! Hell, it's more than soft core that I am seeing. There are girls doing things in free chat that I wont even do in my paid chat and what pisses me off royally is that I am not allowed to click "non-nude" on my profile because apparently SM thinks foot fetish, panties, uniforms, dancing and smoking requires some form of nudity. It's making me bonkers!!

I'm so flustered. My attitude sucks. I'm yelling at everyone. I'm just... UGLY!! ANGRY!! AT MY WITS END!!

I remember guys used to pay for this shit at any given time of day, time of year, time of whatever. Now? fagettabowit!

These guys have been taught and have come to expect that there will always be something for free. Get something free and then think about paying after he's done looking for what he "came" for. So stupid!!

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Aug 4 12 12:42 PM

cool.gif What does it mean to become "just like MFC"?
Here's an answer straight from the Horse's mouth - courtesy of AC's Forum -
about what's allowed and what's not.. i.e. virtually nothing is prohibited..
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WTF MFC - They're Changing For Once
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:21 am
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http://wiki.*MFC*s.com/wiki/Public_Chat_Mode

'Nuff said.



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*MFC*s/WIKI
YOur Guide to *MFC*s

Public Chat Mode

IGNORE THIS PAGE, IT IS FOR TESTING PURPOSES ONLY

Models should set their Public Chat Mode to accurately describe their webcam performance at that time.

Currently there are three ratings:

    Non-Nude: Fully clothed.
    Nude: Showing any nudity.
    XXX: Exposed genitals, spreading legs, masturbation, etc.

Models are required to accurately describe their state at all time.

There is no benefit or penalty to choosing any of these options.

We will use the selection to better cater to member preferences.

For example, visitors will not be allowed to see XXX cams until they confirm they are over 18.

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Aug 5 12 10:18 PM

Ah now we get it.. but hasn't this point been made before? By UL perhaps in 2010? Lol. And then later by Bambalina -before SW banned her ass for attacking a major sponsor of their web-forum - MFC?
link: http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.p...st=0#entry14347

Anyway, it's good if people are catching on to this basic point about the structure of this industry at last, where an oversupply of independent and studio models are put into a cut throat competition with each other - by design.
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Re: I just Cammed for the first time MFC last night....I want to cry Help me?

   One major thing that I've seen, and I've even seen cam site admins say openly, is that the industry got way overflooded with camgirls and they've never had so many, and it spreads the customers out among them much more. It has basically affected everyone from the top earners down to us newbies.

    It is very hard to not get discouraged I do too


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Re: I just Cammed for the first time MFC last night....I want to cry Help me?

    I made ALOT of $ on MFC..but..
    the idea of performing for free for hundreds of people ( AFTER I was reaching the tokens goals) started to give me a nervous breakdown at a point...
    I believe MFC has a bigger agenda.. that we do not know..
    maybe will start to sell adds and clicks in the near future?
    they JUST want the traffic...
    Traffic is king.





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Re: I just Cammed for the first time MFC last night....I want to cry Help me?

Lovexxxxx

regarding mfc and 'fairness', I think what some of y'all are forgetting is that the amazing $$$$$ potential there wouldn't be possible were it not for mfc's structure which is designed to create clearly defined 'winners' and 'losers'.

While there's chicas on every site who bank, others who struggle and a ton who float around the middle, mfc is the only high traffic site designed to create, entrench and reproduce these categories. Having amazing looks, personality and hustle aren't enough. To reach the top one needs also to attain the approval of the mega-tippers, which through social pressure induces other guys to follow accordingly. Think back to grade school, and how certain peeps actually got off on the ability to grant or deny access to social resources like 'popularity'. mfc just monetizes that system (cam score) and mentality (the lounge, what some of y'all have wrote in the past about the 'big boys' club).

mfc's advertising angle of "hot chicas alone at home dyyyyyying to get naked. Just for you!!! Never get ripped off by, ya know, ACTUAL cam chicas again" wouldn't work if there weren't a ton of chicas on line, entertaining guys for free, some literally bending themselves over backwards in the hopes of reaching the brass ring. What mfc is really selling the guys is power...the power to choose who banks and who doesn't, and the power to watch for free while every chica strives to attain a level of popularity that by design only a few will ever attain.

It's sincerely not my intention to diminish the incredible accomplishments of chicas who do bank on mfc...as I've written elsewhere in the past, I'm thoroughly impressed by and have a ton of respect for those of y'all who do. To get to the top one does need amazing skills. All I'm writing is something that I think about every time I read about the 'unfairness' of mfc. 'Unfairness' is a value judgement, and it's unproductive to criticize a site for operating in the way it's designed to operate. mfc is what it is, and without that structure it would be a fundamentaly different site, probably with a reduced level of earning potential for those who do reach the top.

What I'm saying is that mfc is designed to create the conditions some of y'all get frustrated by. It would be like me getting frustrated that indy camming has no free chat; the circle jerk popularity aspect of mfc and its impact on earnings is built into the structure of the site. Every chica who signs up agrees to play that game, and props to those who win. Hell, if I actually had the time and temperament that's required for a site like mfc, I'd propbably sign up myself just to try it. Like Rina said, however, use the site til it stops working, then move on. Railing against it doesn't make much sense, not when there's other places to earn $$$$ that don't cause so much f%^&ing grief.

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Conflicted about returning to the industry...

    Hello Ladies!

    About 3 years ago (when I was 1 I started stripping. I was young, naive, and still a virgin. Yes I was a virgin stripper. The first month was awesome, I was bringing home 200 to 1000, not doing any extras, and just having fun with the girls. Because the money was so good and I was having so much fun, I started coming in more often, almost everyday, and started making less a lot less money. Around the same time, I started smoking a lot of pot and drinking and basically just hanging out with the other girls, not really talking to the customers. To say the least, I got burned out pretty fast. After 3 months of stripping, I started doing nude modeling because the money so was much better. While modeling, I meet a photographer who introduced me into porn. After about 2 months of modeling, I started doing porn and at this time I was no longer a virgin. Even though the porn industry is dying out, the money in porn is sooo much better than the money I was earning in modeling. Shortly after I turned 19, I moved to the San Fernando Valley and started doing porn full time. On my days off, I worked at a nude club down in Van Nuys and started doing extras. After a few months of living in the San Fernando Valley, I started traveling all over the U.S. doing porn and nude modeling. At this point, I started escorting on the side and became heavily addicted to drugs, specifically meth. It was the lowest point of my life, I was so depressed, and I had broken every boundary I had set for myself at age 18. I had no self esteem, my life circled around doing porn, escorting, and smoking meth. Finally about 2 years after I first entered a strip club, I had quit the sex industry, quit smoking meth, and started going to my local community college.

    For the past year, I've been going to school full-time, moved back in with my mom, and lived off of what money I had saved. I've been sober (sometimes I like to go out and have a couple of drinks with my friends every once in awhile) and I've managed to maintain a 3.92 GPA. I'm hoping to transfer within the next 2 years as a nursing or biology major. Maybe one day I'd like to be a doctor. But, I grown bored of this life. I'm draining my funds and will soon need to start working again to pay for school and other expenses.

    I miss the flashing lights, the fast pace, the energy, and the butterflies every time I step on the stage. I miss being a stripper and I especially miss dancing. I love to dance, whether it be ballet, jazz, or cheerleading; one of my passions in life is dancing. And, I'm a bit of an exhibitionist too. I love showing off my beautiful body! I genuinely enjoyed being a stripper, it's part of my personality to dance and be a show off. I feel that because I'm older, not naive, and experienced, I'll be able to better handle the stresses and job hazards that are associated with stripping. I will still be going to school full-time and will not let my life be consumed with stripping.

    But...old habits die hard. Many strippers are drug addicts and prostitutes. I tend to give in to temptation and I'm afraid I'll return to the same path that I was on a year ago. I'm scared of falling into drugs and giving extras, which eventually may lead back to porn/escorting. If I were to become a stripper, I would only want to be a stripper. That is, dance seductively and take my clothes off. ABSOLUTELY NO EXTRAS and no physical contact with the customers. I live in the San Francisco/Bay Area, a city notorious for its "liberal values". Would it be too difficult to find a club where there is little/no contact and where I could only commit to 1-2 days a week? I wouldn't be able to travel very far (expect on holidays) because I go to school full-time. Lastly, I am in a relationship and I told my partner about my desire to return to stripping. He told me that he disapproves and wouldn't want to be with me if I was a stripper. I care for him deeply, but I'm afraid that if I don't fulfill my need for excitement now, it'll haunt me for years, and I'll be too old to return to stripping.



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Topic: How to manage "One Minute Men" and avoid "Three Minute Privates."
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Ugh 1-3 minute privates!

    Is this the norm ladies? I do have my share of longer ones but alot these guys take you private and want you to strip immediately and once I'm naked and start playing with myself they watch for 30 seconds and end the show. After multiple 1-3 minute shows my vagina feels like its going to fall off LMAO. Is this the norm for you ladies or am I doing something wrong? Is there a way to try an prolong them a bit? I now truly understand the meaning of one minute men!


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    I go real slow and ask what they are in the mood for etc. I do not get undressed right off the bat either, I take my time. Maybe I am submissive but I don't get undressed until they ask and when they ask nicely! I am new too but these ideas were suggested by these great ladies and they work. I spend less time getting undressed and dressed again now.



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    i'd say its all about the tease, draw it out.... but also be aware that a lot of these hit and run guys might be recording the shows to publish elsewhere on net



She's correct. A voyeur or a 30 second guy, only needs a few seconds to turn on his Camxxxx program to capture and record a model's video and audio feeds, but this works better for him in a featured show..or someone else's private where he drops in as a voyeur. EB
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    1-3 privates usually make up the majority of my privates. I never get nude till after the 1 minute mark. I haven't figured out how to draw it out much longer than that but I have a timer on my computer to make sure I slow myself down and actually take 1 minute.




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    I've learned to make getting undressed take about 3 minutes or so. Toy play doesn't happen until about 5 minutes. Depends on the guy though too. The more the have spent on me the faster it tends to go, of course once they've spent enough you kinda know exactly what they love about what you do and you can stall that way too.

    Getting shows from girls can also be a great teaching tool if you want to know exactly how to do it. When I first started I had to work on getting that rhythm down, after a while though you'll get into a groove and be able to do it without it being so hard anymore.




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From Stripping sub-forum... A comment on how to deal with the psychological harms of working in a strip club where performing extras is the norm.
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Preserving Your Emotional/Psychological Well Being

    while stripping. I saw a new thread that inspired me to share this with you ladies. I've been a dancer on/off now for almost 7 years, and I wish I would've done things differently, or maintained a different mentality while at work, or else I wouldn't have gone through what I've been through, psychologically.

    A friend of mine told a me a statistic, I'm not sure her source, but she said that dancers suffer worse Post Traumatic Stress Disorder than Vietnam war veterans, there was an entire book written about this, and I will find out what it is.... anyways, I KNOW I have suffered from this, and still am, based on my mentality and how I worked/let customers affect me. The problem with getting into stripping, is nobody really tells you what to do, how to handle things, etc. because it's taboo, and until you find a forum like this and get good support, you are left on your own to figure things out. This is why you will see from time to time a BEAUTIFUL newbie dancer in the back giving head to an old man for $50...... because she didn't go into this industry with enough.... I don't want to say self confidence, but maybe she was too naive, or whatever. Unfortunately, many times these girls end up with pimps, all because they didn't know any better.

    To make it worse, men like the above mentioned prey off girls like this! That's why, if we think back, when we were new, we would get approached by that cliche guy saying, "Why do you work here? You are too good for this... " If you notice, those guys only approach the newer, virginal strippers, with the blinking red light on their heads, who will actually listen to their crap. I haven't been approached by one of those guys in years!

    Anyways ladies, here is some wisdom from me to you.... so that you don't go down the wrong path, or sacrifice your mental health and well being while stripping. I hope other girls can chime in and add to this....

    1. Always look at stripping as a job, NOTHING MORE. A huge mistake many girls make is letting it pour into other aspects of their life, to where it becomes a lifestyle. You are there to "clock in", make as much $$$ as possible, and "clock out", and LEAVE your stripping persona there. Always keep it separate, like a split personality. Don't act stripper-ish outside of the club. You weren't like that before you started, keep true to yourself, because stripping, if you let it, can heavily change you and your core values and belief system. This change sneaks up on you, it happens little by little, until you are a completely different person from when you started. Stay strong and look at it as a job, not a lifestyle.

    2. Maintain your boundaries and comfort level! While in the club, you are at the top of the totem pole. Don't EVER let anyone let you think differently! You are the most important person in the business, more so than the customers, management, DJ, etc. They are all there to accommodate you. YOU make your rules and set your boundaries. You don't have to do something you are not 100% comfortable with. Don't ever feel like you "have" to let a guy touch you in any way or look at you, talk to you, whatever because he's giving you money. You don't! And you shouldn't! Because even letting a guy caress you in a personal way, although this is not the same as grabbing your boob, if it gives you an uncomfortable feeling STOP IT IMMEDIATELY!

    I can't say this enough, because each time you allow a customer to over step his boundary, you are doing huge psychological damage to yourself, you don't even realize it. Pretty soon, you will be letting customers touch you in uncomfortable ways every night, because they're nice and you don't want to say anything because they're spending money. This will destroy your self esteem, TRUST ME! Every time you allow something to happen, however small, for a thousand dollars, you will feel beautiful and sexy, making so much money for so little work, it will feed your ego and build you up, but at the same time you don't realize it's chipping away at your soul and psyche, and changing how you view yourself.... I don't know how else to describe this. Stripping is a farce, in this way. Don't let money evoke an emotion..... know that a lot comes with that thousand dollars you just made, and you will have many bad nights as well, after all it's a numbers game.

    3. Don't do it full time! Have something on the side..... whether it's school, a day job, a trade, a business, ANYTHING! You will go crazy otherwise. When you feel like, "Oh shit, I HAVE to go into work tonight because my rent is due..." and you don't want to be there at all, you feel forced into it, you sacrifice your mental and psychological well being. You also will be fresher and more positive going into work when you actually have a choice in being there, and you will make more money. When you have something else that is your main focus, and stripping is supplemental income, or you know you will be graduating school and on to better things, you won't feel so forced to be there, you will be sooo much happier, trust me!

I was stripping full time, going back and forth between Dallas and Las Vegas, making a ton of money, but..... I had nothing else. No plans on going back to school, no plans on getting out, nothing. Just stripping. I began to feel hopeless and became very depressed. This had a major affect on my relationships with men, which I won't even get into now... but now that I have my insurance job and I'm a student, I can't tell you how much happier I am!

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From Ac's forum. an excellent thread "Is MFC Dying?" with lots of insightful comments by models and members -some of which I will eventually - but let's start with this post by a member.. which seems "right on the money.."
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Re: Is MFC dying? Someone suggested a new thread.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:31 am

I have to agree with everyone who has said the MFC has been changing. But from the perspective of a member who has been browsing MFC for more than a couple of years, I have noticed slightly different changes to the ones mentioned by the models.

1) I should point out that I consider MFC as two separate entities. Because the site allows filtering, I have my default front page set to North America/UK/Australia. Despite the increase in the number of models that fall with this group, the numbers excluded still constitutes about 60-70% of all the models on MFC at any given time.

But on occasion, I have removed the filters, and I have noticed that there appear to be more models from Eastern Europe now working from home rather than in studios. When I first found MFC, this was very rare. So it feels like that one of the things that used to make the North America/UK/Australia different (apart from the cultural and language affinities for many members) has been removed. So many members who would not have visited a model in Eastern Europe because they were put off by the studio atmosphere, do visit the independents (sorry, couldn't think of a more appropriate term). Hence diluting the overall token pool available to the North America/UK/Australia models.

2) The changes that have been happening on MFC also seem to correlate with the general situation in the world economy. When I started visiting, the recession was just starting to hit, especially in Europe. But its main impacts had yet to be felt. Since then it has just gotten worse. Many members who had a lot more disposable income back then are now either being more cautious with their shrunken (in real terms) income, or have lost it all together. Sure, some members left when they could no longer tip, but I doubt that was more than a small minority. So in some member's minds "value for money" has become more of an issue.

3) Related to the above point, from anecdotal evidence of a few models I have talked to, the number of European members who visit them has dropped, and the amounts the remaining tip is lower. I don't know whether that is true across teh board or it it was just the case for the models in question. But I can explain one reason for the drop in tip amounts...the exchange rate. The £ used to buy more tokens (as they are always priced in $) than they do now. So I could still drop a 1000 tokens, but it is going to cost me quite a bit more (the extra cost starts becoming significant over time).

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Members expectations have just changed. And that is the biggest and most disappointing change I have seen on MFC.


I don't think it is just the members' expectation that have changed. I am seeing a lot more new models joining who have only done a minimum of research into the site, and usually only visited some of the top models. So when they setup their topics on those early days, they set their sights on token targets that are going to be difficult to reach. That seems to result in some new models being less aware that any and all tips are good.

5) As mentioned above, due to the lack of appropriate monitoring by MFC admin, a LOT more models are now offering alternatives to MFC shows. Back in my early days, MFC was quite clear that any form of transaction had to be carried out ON MFC, and in tokens only. Though many models still used wishlists, and chipins, things like skype shows, paypal, advertising alternative sites etc were rarer. Now it seems to be the norm. I have heard comments on this forum that suggest that some models are doing this to supplement their incomes from MFC itself. But to me it seems to dilute incomes. Why pay $50 on MFC when you could get more for $25 off site? Yes, some models may consider a dollar is a dollar. But if you are offering an alternative to a member, especially a cheaper alternative, then more and more members are going to be unwilling to pay MFC prices. Please don't take offense, but I think many models did this to themselves....they opened up the market, and now members are bargaining a lot harder.

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Aug 20 12 11:08 PM

Hmmm more bad news on the earnings front - which just goes to show how PRECARIOUS camming can be as your principal source of income.
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    Wowwww... minimum wage day, had a couple recently. Thank goodness I made some money off my clips this week. It's so unsettling...but I know I'll have another killer day soon... End of the month is always like this for me, when I stripped it was like this too. I'm glad I work hard throughout the month/save so I don't feel the pressure of needing to make money to pay bills. I've been there in the vanilla world and it's terrifying. At least with camming even if you're having an abysmal night you can put in more hours to pay for your needs/wants.. you can't do that in most vanilla jobs.



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    Hi ladies, yesterday morning I graduated from my beloved, private, four year prestigious, expensive college. My schooling was expensive and I stripped for three of the four years I was there in order to avoid crushing debt. I might have missed out on a few parties in favor of working but I was lucky to find clubs that did not require me to put in a schedule. As I look forward to my vanilla career and applying to graduate schools I am so glad to have reaped the benefits dancing can have for a full time student and I will stay on the pole for a few more years it seems like.


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Aug 28 12 7:17 PM

cool.gif Virginie Despentes was a French porn actress who crossed over into cutting edge cinema for her performance in the 2008 film Baise-Moi which means simply "Fuck Me."
trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnFZhG39OHI
She also wrote an best-selling memoir of her time in the French Porn Scene -under the same title.
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BAISE-MOI, based on the controversial novel written by codirector Virginie Despentes, is a vivid and brutal reality-based exploration of two women's attempts to reclaim their sexual power. Real-life porn stars Raffaela Anderson and Karen Bach star as the film's THELMA AND LOUISE-style anti-heros. Manu (Raffaela Anderson), a porn actress, is the victim of a violent gang rape, depicted graphically in the first fifteen minutes of the film, that fills her with internal rage and violent aggression. She sets out on a road trip and meets Delphine (Karen Bach), a drug-addled former prostitute with an aggressive streak. Delphine and Manu join forces and begin on a revenge-fueled sexual rampage, seducing and killing with reckless abandon. Delphine and Manu are furious and empowered by their sexual prowess; they wield their guns and lingerie-clad bodies like true professionals. Adrenaline drives their killing spree, set to a pounding punk rock score, and murder becomes implicitly linked to sexual gratification. Directors Virginie Despentes (a former prostitute) and Coralie Trinh Thi (a former porno actress) shot the film in gritty digital video at a fast-paced reckless clip of 76 minutes, heightening the acute sense of urgency and nihilistic desperation of the two women. Despentes and Trinh Thi blur the lines between cinema and reality and delve into the dark recesses of female psychology. By shooting real hard-core sex scenes and employing former porn actresses, they create a compelling and daring film that sets the conventional notions of female sexual appetite on end.


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Ways To STALL and Make More Money...

    CamWhxxx
    Having clothes on and teasing them off is perfect....already naked? well...you loose out on a few dollars...

    its a game...so play that m*therfucker well. They came for ass, we came for cash... I also believe we should make as much as possible especially in a pay per minute site...

    Stall a bit, but never to much .... they will know, and they will comment on it sooner or later, and it could be bad business.


    I say hello, ask if they can hear me okay. Then I start chatting with them to warm up.

    I NEVER get naked without being asked to. When they do ask, then here comes the strip tease, starting with my ass....

    Specifically my ass.... they go nuts , and forget to keep typing...lol

    My booty isnt even big, but this logtitech makes everything bigger than they appear like a car mirror..lol


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cool.gif Oh who could say it any more directly than an experienced stripper. -all clients come with an "expiration date.."
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    I may loose a lot of respect or credibility by saying this... however I'll be the black sheep. I have worked in several clubs all around where being a fantastic conversationalit and spectacular sight will only get you so far. A few repeat visits at most. In the end, they are looking for what men want most... sexual satisfaction. Anyone telling you that they have a customer who visits them purely for conversation and slight excitment are far in few -in duration-. You can only make it last for so long. Every dancer I have ever encountered who have enticed a customer for a long period of time have had to prolong their sexual excitment. In one way or another. Perhaps my experience in the sex industry counts for nothing... but the game and money only last so long.


Well that's def no secret. The point is to juice the shit out of him as much as you can before he starts suggesting other shit. These men, NO matter what happens... will ALWAYS have an expiration date.

To OP, seeing you every week for 2-3 months without him trying to cross your boundaries is great! I think you juiced him out enough & if he comes in to see you again, even better. If not, NEXT! There is always more where they came from.


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Sep 5 12 1:28 PM

The Politics of the C word and the V word raises its head on a forum for cam-models
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    Isxxxx beat meeeeee to it about the lube. lol!
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    Originally Posted by IsxxxWxxx
    Listen to you guys, your "kitty". LOL, what are y'all, 5? Is it your "special no no place" next?

    Oh mah gawd. You can pummel it hours a day for strangers, but you can't use an adult word to describe it.

THANK YOU. My biggest pet peeve ever. "Special place" "no-no zone" "my 'down there'" ahhhhhhh. I can't handle it. I already read 50 shades of grey. lol

Call it what it is. It's a Vagina. Cunt. Pussy. Twat. Embrace this, please god.


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