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Jul 19 12 7:13 AM

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Hello everyone,

Not sure if this is the right place to tell, but i just wanted to share my story with people. So that hopefully it will be read and it will be prevented that others will step into the same boat as I did...

About a year ago I came across on MFC, visited some girls there been there for some weeks and couldnt find anyone special in particular. I had seen so many camgirls before and thought I was untouchable emotionally...

About the moment I was to leave the site because I was done with it (i thought...) I met this one girl there that I got totally hooked on. I am not out for revenge so i prefer not mention her name here. She had everything I looked for in a woman. Blond, nice body, doing good things for animals and so..

Now the good part of MFC is (about the only good part in my opinion) is that you can see as a guest what girls say in free chat. In the beginning I sent her my picture, she said I was cute, sent me a emoticon heart, was super nice. I was literally online day and night in her room...So, since she is a very experienced camgirl she got into my mind and I got too attached. for some reason, I wanted to be her nr.1 customer. So often, I saw guys online doing much bigger tips than me, longer privates. I felt for some silly reason abundant because of that...so I told her 'hey i am going to leave ok. You dont need me...' And she said 'no, dont leave....i want you to know it would hurt me..financially and as a friend if you would leave'. ' He only tips me once per a few months, etc...' While i saw her getting the big tips much more often...She knew im sensitive so..I stayed...

I started to feel like I had to help 'my friend' and some months later I found myself spending over 30.000/35.000 dollars (!!!!) in just some months to this girl alone..which lead to the fact that im into serious debt now. I was logging in as a guest often because I wanted to know the truth...she claimed i was a stalker because of that. I found out that she lied to me about things. She needed tokens to go to her father who was sick, she needed tokens to go on holiday, etc. And then I asked her but why do u tell me this? Do u need money for that? She said NO, i can pay...

Question is what i dont understand...maybe one of u people know this: was this a mental trick of hers or what is such a thing? Why do u say to a customer u need tokens to go to someplace and then when a customer asks if a model needs money she says no, i can pay???

She also had an issue with a negative paypal sometime. So i helped her a bit of course. But then she spoke about it in free chat too that she had a negative balance. She did a show on skype for someone and that person chargedback with paypal...... So, i asked her : is that wise to tell that to people? Maybe more people will go chargeback....dont give them ideas! And what was her answer? ' maybe they will feel sorry for me'.. And i was like what the heck??? Why does she admit to me, that she wants people to feel sorry for her?? She knows im a good and honest person....

Well, after many discussions about various subjects and arguments with her, she kept on persisting she never lied to me and i keep on persisiting she did. As you guys might understand, i felt really tricked by her a lot. ( i also read a review on her on the internet she is a really money hungry girl...). The fact is i did always like her a lot and so. But i also didnt like her on the other hand. I am not out for revenge, but i gotta tell you there are moments i feel like it so much...

I came across ur site some days ago, and it helped me a lot in my recovery. Mentally but also financially hopefully it will. For example she always stated her and me are friends...but when I read in here..friendship isnt possible with a camgirl, or very very hard indeed...it opens my eyes more.

Bottomline is that I think a site like MFC is meant for sales, but i think it is going too far. When you see the intimidation of letting people tip, the psychological tricks models use to get their tokens.. It is kinda sick in my opnion. They threaten to ban, they call u lame or cheap if you dont tip, they treaten to go on a long private, go offline, etc. I am also convinced models use fake tips or friends tips to get things going. I have read some discussion in here about what is ethical towards customers or not. I know sales, and I understand models cant say no to a guy who wants to chat only but in my opinion using good people's feelings for money is disgusting! Giving them the idea you are friends, while the only real reason is money. There is no shade of grey in between here.

A site like MFC was designed probably to have some horny men have a good time but it is a den of greed, corrruption, intimidation, competition, lies and anger. I think its bad to use lonely men' s feelings or good hearts or willingness to help to feed the mouths of the greedy models and its criminal owners. Or entice guys feelings to be competive with tipping wars. Yes guys, its in our nature.

I feel there should be much more attention via governments and agencies to warn people about sites like this!

So, to anyone reading this, think before u act and know what can happen if you lose control. Dont get yourself into trouble the way I did... Good luck!!












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Jul 19 12 11:15 AM

Don't worry, you will get plenty of good advice and debate and/or validation here. But I wanted to post something that has been on my mind and here seems as good a place as any.

I had a fantasy going on for a while, or a plan if one would devote a few years of their life to it. If a consensus could be marshalled in one eastern Eurpean county and cloe down the industry there. As a self governing sovereign self respecting country, ban financial cam interactions. Then for that county to initiate a lawsuit against the responsible parties that had profited by recruiting, inititating and grooming thier citizens into, to various degrees, a mutation the natural persons they were before. In the US this worked albeit without the ban, in regards to the tobacco industry. For a country that wanted to affect it's future and define itself as better than the rest of the world, it couldn't do better than to sacrafice this one "freedom" of expression and enterpise. Does freedom have to include all actions even those that exploit and have, to anyone that fully examines it, mutitudes of ill effects for everyone involved? Can anyone honestly say that any "benefits" outweigh all of the ill effects? And of course with the common market, on can go to another eu country to cam. It's one of those job that one can do from anywhere. The proceeds from lawsuit and prosecution of foreign entities: job training, employer insentives, and paying for theraputic recovery for the former employees.

I don't even think my fantasy is as hard to accomplish as it looks. The constituentcies exist naturally to begin with, if openly discussed in one country.
Mothers, fathers, grand mothers and fathers, aunts and uncles, siblings, children, nieces and nephews, spouses, friends of, the clergy, educators that cared about their students and about the future. Anyone, that if it were a subject of open conversation, would look at their country and wonder at the cost of an entire generation being altered from their natural nature as human beings and citizens. On the simplest basic level relationships, the habit, being formed by the nescessity to hide and lie on a daily basis what one is doing for work and with their time, or the shutting down of human openness in this regard with those aorund one and loved ones. The shutting down of one's emotional spontenaity and genuineness. The changing of one's personality that inevitably goes with the job, no matter how much one makes the effort to separate ones real life from the cam job. The altering of one's standards that brings one to either pornograhic performance or to play lie as means in seemingly easy income, or both. Few go into this with either or the others of these in mind, a willingness to do so, or the idea that their resolve to not do so can be influenced by time to cross their own personal moral lines. The pushes and the pulls in this work envionment are just too strong, and the financial rewards to great, for anyone to resist, add to that the pressures of life in a country in financial crisis and the change in anyone involved becomes a given at some point. The emotional toll simply from being the listener of overwelming barrage of insults pornographic images and words and the overall mind fuck. Is there more than one in one hundred that can honestly say that they have not been greatly (meaning more than they would have expected) changed in ways they would have not wanted to by this work? This is a generation of people doing this work that as the years go by become almost unemployable in the general productive society at large. And those years in this industry take them out of the workorce that give them valuable work experiences and possible advancement there. Would any parent or loved one want any of the above to happen to someone they cared for, no matter what the financial benefit?

So, if a population of one country had this conversation, petitioned and pressured their government to ban the industry in just their country, it could be an interesting experiment and make a strong statement that the human potential and dignity of the most important generation of their citizens deserve to be honored and challenged and trusted to work for better future of that country. The government can be pressured to shut it down and can justify to itself by the means it has at it's disposal to shut it down......tax evasion. That is something that most people, in a country that has to layoff workers, cut services, cut pensions in half, cut city employees police firemen and rescue workers pay by 1/4 to 1/2, can agree on. Why is it fair that families have to live on legume soup and struggle feeding families and working full time and also driving a cab or other second jobs etc, and others can lay on a bed all day and have enough money to buy luxury or even to just support others to live....and in most cases not paying into the tax system? Even if just nescessity to help others it makes for a society dependent on a paracite like host. The industry is in the bloodstream and it's in the bones. Would a populaton of a country want what will eventually happen, to become and be seen as as this industry from it's bones to its' skin?

We all know the world has been going in the directon of shit, it's so that we can't see past it nor barely tell the diffenence anymore, we just argue or agree about the shade of color or smell or it's relative value as ferilizer, like this subject of this forum. But unless we are all just walking dead, maybe we should begin to have a conversation as to what can change the direction of life and the world as it is going. Mine is just one idea on one small subject. But the subject might be bigger than it looks. When I was a kid, we just us kids, took on son of a bitch company and corrupt government officials that were poisoning and actually killing our friends and neighbors. All our parents said i was impossible to make this stop, the world and the powers were too big to take on. Naivety, moral outrage, and stupid courage were the only tools we had. Also since we had no clue, we could imagine and conduct any tactic under the sun. Another time to tell the story and how we kids accomplished the impossible, if anyone wants to know. But I will say now, what I remember us kids saying then...."BULLSHIT!!!!! to your world as it is that can't change" We said if it can't change, then we will find a way to burn it down with you in it, we will not just let ourselves be fucked and us being just the byproduct of your getting rich from a destructive means. That was what we and many others did in many different ways in the 1960s and into the 1970's. Even as just kids, change the unchangeble adults, who could change the unchangeble corrupt government, who can change the law and change the country one area of life at a time. There was a time that an individual or a few could actually be dangerous to "reality" as it was and would alwys be. Or at least we would imagine that we could try. Now it seems we help maintain the prison we are in, maybe complain about it, maybe argue how wonderful it is, maybe plan an escape or do so, maybe say it is nescessary etc , etc., but none of us considers the possiblity of a better life without it's existence. Makes one wonder about how much life and potential we are squandering and how much we are all selling out and letting others define this world and the life we live or just exist within.

"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Jul 19 12 1:05 PM

OOOO MY GOODNESSSSSSSSS !!!

Lol to both !

You are both adult men ?

You realise you did this all yourself ? Nobody made you visit girls ?
Nobody made you spend 30000 dollar, right ?

This is a perfect example of what this forum is all about :

1. You visit a webcam-site
2. You fall in love with a model
3. Because of the many lovers and jerkers there, you start to want spend more
and more like a teenager...to impress her " i am the biggest"
4. It didn't seem what you was hoping

5. = Governments should closed these sites....

Come on guys...just learn from it !!!

Be a sport, you tumbled in it...take the loss and LEARN !

But o m g and then this fantasy...of Mr Noble....

Wake up, get real, lick your wounds...and go out and meet real girls who fit your level !

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Jul 19 12 3:45 PM

Hey dopey, lol

You missed something. I never complained. I was never burnt or disappointed or hurt by anything, in the cam world. And frankly none of the other things you mentioned apply to me. You didn't read my post apparently nor any other ones I've written on this forum. I also didn't say that "governments" should shut down these sites. Not because they are they are criminal or immoral and not because guys sometimes get burned in different ways. Hey just as a fool and his money soon are be parted, so also a fool and his emotions should probably get hurt and learn their adulthood lessons. We agree it seems....see?

I said that if anyone wanted to change the condition of "it is what it is" then there is always way. We are all taught, conditioned to think, and believe with certainty that no one can ever change anything because there are always bigger forces that prevent any, including governement. My example attempted to turn that concept on its head. By the way, my fantasy to shut down camming in one country, by it's own people btw, did not originate from desire to not see members disapointed. For them is a good lesson in having delusion popped. It was from seeing the harm and the waste of potential of lives (no matter how sucessful at the work) of regular people that found themselves in this work. I include you in that category. Please don't accuse me of wanting to rescue you though, lol.

I hadn't gotten around to replyng to your thanking me on the other thread, I will do so shortly. You might be suprised at what I write. The other reason that I came up with this fantasy is that I spent 3 months in Romania, and found it on many levels to be as great as America was 30 years ago. It seems it can go either way, to greatness or to devolve to what the US has become. I would be happy to discuss that subject in depth at any other time you wish.

I made the mistake of posting my "manifesto" lol, where I did. By it's placement it apeared to have something to do as a reply to knowitall's story posted. Sorry if that confused anyone else.

"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Jul 20 12 12:19 AM

I really got no words for this one after all you bought her a pretty good "car".

Proximus is happy about that! He owns about 50-80% of it.

I don't know why we feel so bad about the situation in East Europe when we actually creating millionaires over there.

And their government is getting paid too (tax) why stop it?

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Jul 20 12 1:25 AM

Hmmm.... so what is the logical path then?

Let me see, Tben, Nurgg, Knowitall, others I can't even remember anymore. The story is the same. Just the names have changed. The status quo.

Heed Proximus' advice. Lick your wounds and.....


make him poor.

You see the truth, the logic, the obvious. Don't be scared of the man behind that curtain(Wizard of Oz).

We're off to see the wizard the wonderful wizard of Oz(can anyone tell me what the tin man, the lion and the scarecrow with Dorothy found?)

Knowitall..... you learned your lesson, don't allow Proximus to laugh at you, laugh back at him as you spread the word to others. Eventually, the truth shall set you free.

The inevitable.......

The End

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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Jul 20 12 3:33 AM

Well this was the only one question that I found in this whole story. I really still can't swallow it.

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Question is what i dont understand...maybe one of u people know this: was this a mental trick of hers or what is such a thing? Why do u say to a customer u need tokens to go to someplace and then when a customer asks if a model needs money she says no, i can pay???


and the answer few lines down...

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And what was her answer? ' maybe they will feel sorry for me'.. And i was like what the heck??


I really feel for you

Maybe some of these post should be moved to member issues I never looked for these things here in about me. Just a thought. Vicarious and Americanxxx (can't remember number) might be other two to move.

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Jul 20 12 3:48 AM

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And their government is getting paid too (tax)


For the sake of accuracy, no other reason, this is only half true.

Let's asume all studios pay their taxes. Figure 75% is put on the books, which for a small business is a high rate of reporting in Romania. Let's also say that their overhead is 50%.

Romania grosses around 400 million in cam revenue.

Let's further assume that 10% of models are independent and represent 10% of that revenue.

Let's say independents net 70% after expenses.

Say studio models take 30% of total studio revenue.

A fair assumption would be that 90% of all income of independents and of studio models is not reported to be taxed.

Income tax rate is 18%, independant contractors must also pay a number of social support contibutions which all totals about 45% over the pay.

Let's do the math. Well you do it.

Bottom line, the 3 sources of income not declared totals $103,680.00.
Nothing to sneeze at. It would only be fair to compare this numer to that amount collected, but I am too tired tonight. Either someone else do so, or I will when I wake up.

In he men time, correct any math mistakes, or any of the assumptions and we'll redo the math.

"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Jul 20 12 4:37 AM

QUOTE (knowitall @ July 19, 2012 12:13 am)
Question is what i dont understand...maybe one of u people know this: was this a mental trick of hers or what is such a thing? Why do u say to a customer u need tokens to go to someplace and then when a customer asks if a model needs money she says no, i can pay???

It is not a mental trick. It is her way of justifying her scamming to herself. She told you she is lying to her customers to encourage them to give her tokens. She warned you, but you stayed giving her tokens. Now it is all your fault, and her conscience is cleansed of sin.

A scammer always blames his mark. A criminal typically blames his victim. A saleswoman blames her customer. They rhetorically ask themselves, "How stupid must a person be to believe all the BS I am telling?" She is rationalizing her evil behavior. That too is the reasoning behind Proximus' post earlier today. He trains his models to be manipulative and profits from that manipulation, but to him, it's all the member's fault for being gullible. Money corrupts.

I will describe the most recent obvious scam a model applied to me. I do not describe myself as a regular customer of hers because I do not hang around her chat room frequently enough. I am a repeat customer who occasionally comes around and pays her some tokens for shows. She claims to be Ukrainian, and her camscore is about 500.

A few months ago she quit being a webcam model to work at another job. She left her MFC profile page enabled. A month later she returned explaining that she worked at the new job for a month, but her boss did not pay her. So she quit and returned to webcamming now in a desperate financial situation.

I gave her a tip to do a show in public chat while I tried to start a group show. The group show did not start. I stayed in her chat room for a while waiting for an opportunity to start a group show. She eventually asked me if I wanted to help her. I asked her what she had in mind. She asked me to send her money using Western Union. Because I follow a rule of only paying tokens for shows, there is no way I will do this. I responded with silence. I stayed for a little while, chatted with her and tried to start another group show which failed again. I then left her chat room, removed her from my friends list and will probably never return. She chased a repeat customer away.

You have to be as mean and heartless as the owners, administrators and camgirls to withstand camworld.

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Jul 20 12 4:47 AM

noname01, there is another way to think of taxation besides income tax. By virtue of the model's work she brings money into her country. Even if she and her boss do not pay income tax, they probably spend most of that money locally, a portion of which eventually gets paid as sales tax or a shop owner's income tax. The point is that webcamming brings a significant amount of money into the country from outside boosting the local economy. The government reaps benefit.

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Jul 20 12 6:33 AM

Thanks for ur comments so far folks! I have been devestated by the whole thing and slowly recovering. I know I will make it! And it is not that i am dumb or anything, but sometimes emotions get into the way of rational thinking. I knew i couldnt trust her in a way but couldnt let go either. And I felt anyone may read my story to prevent it to others from happening.

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Jul 20 12 3:04 PM

PolarBear,

Yes your point is well taken. Even if those shopkeepers under report. The point is 400 million of hard currency that is entering the country.

Begs the question, could there be a relatively more productive alternative way to do so, anything with more benefits to society.

Alternatively, if given the choice would a population choose any distructive enterpise simply for a better balance of trade? Perhaps a radioative or medical waste disposal on the grounds of a university in Bucharest? This would have better trackng and tax collection rate, so would be an even greater benefit to the state.

Thing is, ask a Romanian citizen quietly what is hurting the country and the list goes: corruption, botanicals (constantly changing designer drugs), and the growth of camming. At least that is at I have been told. Of course if asked what would you fix first the answer is the medical system (that is a subject upon itself).

On the subject of camming, for the vast majority a far as I could tell, it is an embarrasment to the country, a shame that the work want ads are 90% for cam work, and talk of how people they knew were affected adversely. This not from people judging, but from their own experience.

"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Jul 20 12 3:17 PM

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It is not a mental trick. It is her way of justifying her scamming to herself. She told you she is lying to her customers to encourage them to give her tokens. She warned you, but you stayed giving her tokens. Now it is all your fault, and her conscience is cleansed of sin.


Great clear analysis. Please consider and examine this question. Wouldn't beginning and continuing practice this behavior, on the part of a model (an actual person remember), adversely affect their mental health?

"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Jul 20 12 8:08 PM

Such a strange thread.. It started out as knowitalls intro about and turned into nonames proposal about how Romanian can better their country...

Starting with noname, Im not Romanian, Ive never been there, you make good points, it all sounds nice and all, but it just doesn't seem realistic. Just because you, along with others, have deemed the camming industry a destructive enterprise, does not mean everyone, everywhere, including the entire country of Romania as a whole, has deemed it so.


As for knowitall, I would have to agree with Proximus. Grow up. Take responsibility for what you did. Youre a grown man. Learn how to manage your money. You knew what the site was about and you chose to play there and now your sour about it.

you want a government warning label on MFC? really? like on a pack of cigarettes? lol. Visiting this entertainment site can cause you to spend money.. please check your finances before entering. ... or maybe like they say at the casinos... bet with your head not over it..

Its not the sites fault you spent so much money, its not the models fault. Its your own. You want to post to try to help others to try to get them to 'think before they act' you can do so with out calling the model greedy and the site a den of corruption. Own up to it being it your fault and you'll recover much faster and wont repeat the mistake.

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Jul 20 12 9:09 PM

MissJane,

First off, it's great to hear you again lately. Of course my proposal is slightly unrealistic, in fact it is very unrealistic, that's why premised the entire screed with the first sentence : "I had a fantasy going on for a while, or a plan if.."

My individual act of "deeming" it destructive wasn't one I would have expected. It was a result of being persuded by individuals within the industry, who put on a good outside act and numbed themselves off, but shared what they described as "being in a world of shit" and opening up more about that and that many others really felt that way about it.

Of course the entire country does not deem it so. But from that I experienced would seem the vast majority would. It's like an invisible elephant in the room, they know its presence by it's smell, yet can't do anything about it. But it keeps getting bigger taking up more room, and bumping up against more and more people.

My fantasy "plan" was just a way to answer (a logic tree) the question posed to me: "what can be done about it and what could replace it to create decent employment?" The second question is what I spent 3 months examining and addressing.

"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Jul 21 12 5:21 AM

QUOTE (noname01 @ July 20, 2012 08:17 am)
Wouldn't beginning and continuing practice this behavior, on the part of a model (an actual person remember), adversely affect their mental health?

Yes, the model blaming the customer for her deceptive behavior shows that she is trying to relieve her guilt. It is a mental trick for the model.

I interpreted knowitall's reference to a "mental trick" as asking if the model was playing a mental trick on the customer to try to get more money from him and to continue the con. I do not think the model was doing that.

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Jul 21 12 6:22 AM

Miss Jane

Maybe you should have a look at this link:

http://camgirl-advice.blogspot.nl/2010/11/...cams-vol-1.html

No deception u mean? Its all my fault? People are not tricked into this site to spend their cash? Do you think i dont know about fake tips, messing with rankings, camscores and everything? Fake raffles going to the boyfriends instead of the people tipping? Intimidating, blaming, threatening with things if people dont tip. Have you ever been to a store and werent sure if u would buy something the sales person there tells u ' if u dont buy, we close the store and u may never come here again' LOL!! Do u think i dont know about the credit card fraud of the site's owner sued by Amazon and Microsoft? Dont treat me like some kind of dumbass coz this site is a scam. I know people...and read and hear things and observe myself..And thats why I said the site should be banned from the internet. Coz its fake and its a con artists paradise.. Not entertainment. Entertainment is watching a good movie, or a good sports match..not being fooled...

Amen!

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Jul 21 12 1:17 PM

cool.gif Looks like fascinating reading for our members if the following is at all typical.

"Yes, I will still address the psychology of a Sextress in the camming industry and how to mind-fuck silly boys for the most money, while being as subtle about it as possible. " Loool

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While I was away for the last few months, I had this ONE major question in my head. It bugged me to no end, and so in my spare time I spent time talking with experts via Skype and email and doing a lot of reading to find my answer. I wanted to know more about the Entrepreneur spirit that the really successful Camgirls had in order to make MORE money instead of always being online or in front of a camcorder. Of course, both aforementioned activities can be sexy and AWESOME but I wanted all the girls that read my blog to make more money during the day, with comparatively less work.

I think I have learned what I need to know and will be divulging these details in the very next blog post and all future posts. Yes, I will still address the psychology of a Sextress in the camming industry and how to mind-fuck silly boys for the most money, while being as subtle about it as possible. And yes, I am going to do more "Tech" articles that many girls should be aware of, something which I did not emphasize very much at first. This was largely due to the fact that if your "mind is right, then your pay is right".


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Jul 21 12 2:41 PM

I got to tell you, this sums up what I have been boring you all to death for years. lol

Here we go again, I have seen this debate and discussion cycle itself numerous times.

What a bunch of f...ing morons we all are.

God, you would think and wonder why Proximus laughs behind our backs now.

You wonder how a cam model or two can come on this site and tell you that they admit to manipulating people to suck money from their accounts like child's play.

You really need to look at it from every perspective.

Shit, know it all, you fell for the "game", although some do not play the "game" as well as others do. They need a camgirl or Proximus to hone their freaking craft.

You then get blamed and the finger pointed at you for being so fucking gullible and now you defend it. I agree and have discussed and debated this for years. Open your fucking eyes.

There are people who defend this work simply because there are suckers born every second.

Although, you know what would end it all?

Figure it out. It would make Proximus a poor man. It would force people to do something else. It would remove and eliminate "games" where individuals hone and perfect their craft to a tee. Yet every passing day another dumb mother fucker pops in and says fucking shit, I just got played.

You guys created the demand for this. Pat yourselves on your backs for creating it. I have said it time and time again.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is insanity.

Yet, free choice, free will....

Damn if I didn't read this stuff repeating itself over and over again, I might just say finally, you people understand, yet you really don't.

It is as obvious and clear as it ever is. Read my signatures and you have reality. There ain't nothing real when it comes to this fantasy.

Holy shit, bla bla bla fucking bla. lol

Pay attention and stop being know it alls. Not making fun of your name either there.

You need to realize, that either you are a freaking perverted wanker or a nice guy. If you are a wanker then go jerk off and get it over with and leave. If you are a nice guy susceptible to believing every thing is true and real, then you either stop paying for the perception of being loved and go meet a person in real or get the fuck out. Stop fooling yourselves. Jesus, how stupid are people?

This job exists to fill the minds, hearts and souls of lonely, perverted addicted people. And everywhere there are others who will cater to your every whim. You want to be fooled, go pay for it. You want to jerk off and pay for that go for it. You want to not become fodder, get the fuck out. Lol. Man, if I didn't know any better, I would become Proximus and start my own line of studios and fuck over the rest of you too, but I have my boundaries lol.

I mean what the fuck. 4 billion dollars on sex entertainment, get the fuck off the internet and have real sex with real people. Oh I know, your too ugly or too shy. So this cam world benefits and fills that void for people. Damn, this is kind of becoming pathetic. Have some self control, stop being such egotistical assholes for once.

Lol I am done now, go ahead carry on. Nothing changes does it.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
Irish Philosopher,statesman


�With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.�

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. � Albert Einstein.

"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle."
Confucius

STAY THE F..K OUT OF CAMLAND...YOU ARE ALL FODDER

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#20 [url]

Jul 21 12 5:26 PM

You said yourself you were on MFC for a year before you found this one girl you got hooked on, so you knew what the site was all about.

I dont see where the site tricks you, or the model scams you into spending money. Its your choice to compete with other members in the room for her attention, or not to. You can let your competitive nature drive you to spend money you dont have, or can spend what you can afford.

You for some unknown reason wanted to be the alpha dog in her room. thats why you spent all your money there and no where else. Thats not her fault. Thats not MFCs fault. Thats your fault. Whats going on in your life that you felt that need?

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