Before I add more "fodder" for anyone to read here, I got to honestly admit, that looking back upon the arguements, discussions and experiences that surround the world of camming, I encountered over the many years, I feel I was mostly right, even when I was scolded and told off as some crazy angry bitter person who got taught a valuable lesson regarding this world of cyberia. Looking back over the years, as the soon post here is called, "old skool" that for the most part these women are correct in their descriptions of most of the men who visit them at their jobs,lol.
I was so naive and trusting back in the good ol' days, which eventually taught me a valuable lesson about people and money. About individuals who would do anything for a buck and others who would not. About all the bullshit, the deceit, the manipulation, the lies, etc. intertwined with the rare and occasional honesty, integrity, and truth of others, as well, and their situations, circumstances, purpose, and admissions too. I really do not care if I offend anyone here, because I ain't making it up at all, because most of this is written by the very cam models themselves. I just want to shine some light towards the individuals who think that perving is cool. To ask them what the fuck is with you? Or that they really think they have some relationship. Or that they are in love. Or that they can't stand up and look themselves in the mirror and see the reality of it all. Yet they just continue doing the same things over and over again, because they either have nothing better to do with their time. Seek the attention of a beautiful woman. Want to be top dog on internet porn sites by shelling out loads of money for the attention or the sheer objectification and sexual comradery that can make this cyberia addictive.
I have observed for years now, the members, the models, the hustle, the games, the raffles, the heartbreak, the anger, and the joy of being involved in camlandia. And after realizing what a load of bullshit it truly is for me and as well for others too, that nothing but the truth can set you free. There is no amount of money that can replace the real definition of love, or friendship yet, many think that is the way it can be accomplished. Or perhaps you're just pathetic losers, perverts, and lonely addicted people who need to stroke your egos, and this is a form of narcissism, and not just is it the members alone.
I post what these women admit, and how they discuss their hustle, so they can bank and also survive. It's interesting to observe as well as sad in quite a few ways, because to me, it seems there is very little respect, very little integrity and lots of objectification occurring, yet not many dare admit the truth. All I sought after becoming disenfranchised by this all is the truth, and the only way to get it, is from the mouths of these women themselves.
Now don't get me wrong, I understand why it all exists but in the end, to me, it is just a wasteful load of bullshit and fodder. But whatever, it exists. Perhaps I will explain the reasons why it exists and the double standards as well, but not at this time.
So here for your own amusement or reality check another installment of "from the mouths of babes". Or maybe I can be enlightened as the OP ends their post with. I will also highlight what they call their customers in bold dark lettering just to emphasize things too.
OLD SKOOL in the new age..how to compete in these ever changing times
I come from a time in camming, when sites paid 50%, when cam streams jolted around so you could literally fake everything, and when tips were tips...nowadays it seems everything has changed...from the most recent article I read here about girls risking it all to do shows in public, to tips not being given for a service that was enjoyed, rather for cheap peeks lol.
This being said, as an old skool girl who once upon a time only got topless after 5 minutes in a paid chat, I find it very difficult to flash my goods in free chat even for a 5 gold that works out to be $1.75 lol. But I keep my options open because one must be flexible and willing to change to keep up with the times.
I don't seem to have the best of luck in gold shows, etc. I seem to still make a majority of my money in pvt chats, but I see many girls who have transitioned out of doing pvt chats only offering gold shows. In theory, it seems much easier to do a GOLD show with an goal high enough to be able to do 2-3 gold shows in a day and still make your goals. What I am having a difficult time figuring out is how to get there.
I have been studying and it seems that girls are giving alot of added perks, aside from the usual "highest tipper gets name moaned, they are offering to put the highest tippers name on boards, big dick clubs, etc. I have also seen models sending TONS of videos to her members even at the minimum tip, highest tipper getting upwards of 25 videos I do not understand how this works, in my old skool mind the member is getting not only a show, but jack-off-material for about 2 years. Why on earth would this member even spend pvt time with you again at $4.99/min when he can see you for $5 every day, and get all of these perks. I understand camming is so individual, and this hustle may work for some but do any of you think these extra perks are hurting us? I have been doing well the past few weeks, but I must admit the new fangled means of making an extra $5 blows my mind. It seems everyone is all about one-upping each other now...one model offers 5 videos, a gold show with more going on in it then one can accomplish in 6 mins....the next model offers 10, 15, 20 videos, panties, big dick club, etc.....when is enough enough? In the next few years, am I going to have to have of my walls coated in names written on paper cocks in the background for me to even have a chance at making my gold show goals lol. Or will I have to step outside into my starbucks and taking such big risks to keep my members entertained?
Aside from videos, big dick clubs, raffles, public shows, taking it off half way to goal, etc...what can one do to compete with all of this? I am trying to think of things outside of the box, and unique....and I can't lol. I do not expect all of you to share your money making ideas, I am just putting this out there to see how others feel about this, and maybe some of you who offer perks can offer insight on how this works for you. I am not dissing this style, I just cannot fathom how it works, so maybe some of you can enlighten me"
Condensed down right into one basic concept, the best way to compete, to get on top, I think, is to basically show - in one way or another, (or many ways!) - that you enjoy it.
You really enjoy the company of these guys, you really enjoy being seen, you really enjoy camming... That you genuinely belong there, and that the site you work wouldn't be the same without you.
If they don't have any other gimmick, (like massive toys, selling their entire backlog of porn media since their 18th birthday, special high-tipper clubs, etc),all the top girls seem to have this one thing in common. And those girls, I often see doing better during their GS countdowns, than those with huge toys, gimmicks, selling all their porn, etc.
The other gimmicks girls are selling have very limited value, and value that wears off:
Shock value, joining a club, porn tapes, pic sets... that's one tip.. why should they come back after that?
They want to see what you'll do next.
They miss you.
They want to see what joke you'll make next.
WTF you could be doing when they enter your room.
They miss how you entertain.
To the ladies who perv other girls: Do you ever log on and think "Damn I hope <insert performer name> is on right now!!!", and then are disappointed to find that they aren't? That performer has a hold over you. Why? Think about what it is that she does that makes you crave to see her.
There are performers (*cough* Rosemary Rabbit *cough*) who I literally tell my own friggin' audience to check out, they are so good!
Leave my damn room, she's on! She's sweet, funny, entertaining, charming, interesting, warm, welcoming, and she has showmanship.
Showmanship!!! What happened to it?! Never forget that magic ingredient.
Just as you read up on fetishes, fantasies, etc for your work.. anything you can read on charisma, performance skills, acting, etc are all just as valuable.
Also - A performer can have gimmicks until the cows come home, and struggle like fuck to reach a $100 GS target because she - as a performer - is boring as hell. It's happening all the time!
How many times have you seen a performer sitting there, thinking like she is pulling out all the stops with her giveaways, but is like "Why is no one tipping for my show? Look at all this porn I am giving away for a $5 tip plus my show??? COME ON GUYS!"
She is not a camgirl anymore. She is a tired saleswoman, selling her porn for cheap, live on her cam.
But in a world where free tubesites exist, all porn is expensive if it's being sold for money.
It isn't even a matter of competing in gimmicks to be successful. It's about remembering - in a playing field amongst the gimmick-girls - what guys go to camgirls to see in the first place.
We've had a few threads about this lately. When I cam on Streamate, I don't do a lot of incentives. I do 5.99/min. exclusives and 5 Gold flashes in public chat. At the moment, I don't do Gold shows. If I decide to make another attempt at Gold shows, they will be on MY terms (none of that "What all do I get for chipping in?" bullshit), they'll be priced AT LEAST $1/min., there won't be any moaning the name of the highest tipper, and I won't be taking the "salesperson" route of trying to get guys to chip in. I'm not knocking those who do things that way...I'm just saying it's not me. If an already discounted show isn't enough for some of these spoiled guys, then they can move on to a different room. Besides, I don't like doing shows for cheap guys who like to bark orders at women.
Last year when it was maybe a few days before Christmas, I did do a 'highest tipper of the next few days gets a custom video' offer. It worked out for me, because as a result of that offer, I finally got one of those *angelic sound* tips for the first time, and it gave me some more spending money for my Christmas shopping.
I am in the same boat sweetie (started camming in 2001) so u are not alone with this mind set and 'education' regarding camming, i too try to adjust to the new trend but not very successful unfortunately, in time i lost enthusiasm and got older, not willing to give away as much (especially for free or low fees), is difficult when there is an inner conflict between who u are as a person & what u willing to do as a performer AND what u HAVE TO DO OR SHOULD DO in order to be successful now a days. Still trying to figure things out myself but i can tell for sure, FOR ME things changed in a ..humm ... let's say NOT convenient way ...
It's just so hard to be "entertaining" when you don't have anyone staying in your room to get a conversation going. When I have talkers I think I'm pretty entertaining but lately no one wants to chat and I just sit around looking like a lump. It's hard to get motivated all by your lonesome. The top girls have an advantage with that because they usually have the traffic to keep things going. I have my days...today isn't one of them though
I hear you OP, I'm still in my 20s and won't flash or anything in free. I may if ALL of the members in my room tipped $5. I don't like awarding guys who don't put out. I did stand up once for $1 but $0.35 isn't worth it to me lol. My GS when I do them will only consist of voyeur most likely. I'm not hip to flashes and these guys are definitely spoiled. They stopped putting the model first and now it's the company, then the customer, then the model. I bet if there was a secret society of cammodels who boycotted all of the big box sites we would start seeing that 50% again.
Especially the video giveaways with the Gold Shows. It's gotten ridiculous. I'm happy it works for those who do it, but if I start doing Gold Shows again, I know the first thing I'm going to hear is "what else do I get." Irritating.
When I come with a positive attitude, I have the most profitable days. Even if I have to start my shift with a fake smile and work my way into it. I figure that's the best thing I can offer people - my unique personality - like those said above.
Being a visionary and thinking a step ahead/outside the box, like you girls are saying...that's what I'm working on too. It's not easy but maybe as I'm in the business longer it will come to me (I've only been camming for 2.5 years).
LOL you all make me smile and laugh so hard....You are all on point, all have good views of this, I feel like I am on the same page. I have a fanbase, but even THEN it is difficult to do a GS.....if none of my fans are online. I have noticed on the other hand, if I have one of my pre-existing members in my room and start a GS I will do a "highest tipper gets" and then the other guys will compete and fight over me like the losers they are, while my pre-existing fan that I have known for years gets the perk. That is one thing I enjoy about gold shows lol. I am always myself, do not sell myself short and am NOT gimmicky or sales-y at all. I am and remain to be a wolf in sheeps clothing on these camsites, I have a one-liner for everything in the book (tho it can hurt at times, I am not willing to even chat with any tom/dick/harry about cam related stuff in free chat...such as:Loser: What do you do in your shows?Me: Only one way to find out....come see me bb If they get irritated, who cares, and/or I say "take a look at my profile to see all the naughty things I do"If they ask me what would u be willing to do, instead of repeating myself every cinco minutos, I make it all about THEM..do you have any special ideas in mind for the show BB? Let me know and we can make it happen... This seems to help immensely and they like that I have done a personalized show lol.Back to the topic of GS...they either go really good or really bad for me, it is a hustle I am still learning, but you are exactly right, I do my very best in GS and very best in general when I put it on and I am about "having fun" rather then making money lol. It seems if you appear that making money is the last thing on your mind, it is less painful for the customers and their poor little egos lol.I continue to be on the first page, maybe 3rd or 4th row down, but even being on first page sometimes my room gets so fucking quiet....when this happens I pretend to be talking to a "cam friend" lol. I have a few members who will literally sit with me there for a few hours and keep me company, which I do appreciate but I also get annoyed with guys who do this..it is a balance. You need them in your room to keep convo going, but it irritates if all they want to do from that point forward is talk. I ask all of my whalies to come and chat with me anytime, you are always welcome in my free chat room I tell them, but under one condition: that you are my cheerleader. If you are going to sit there in my free chat all day, you can make yourself useful and promote my shows lol
I come from that time as well. In the good old days if you flashed your boobs, you were suspended. I SO wish cam sites were still like this. For some reason a few cam sites got a bug up their asses and wanted to be like MFC. MFC model only seems to work well for them.
I think you are already offering a unique service. To not do Gold shows is pretty unique on Streamate. I don't do Gold shows because I feel these customers want to much for four or five bucks.
Didn't we bring this up previously on this forum long ago when MFC began the tipping and what would occur in the future? Well it isn't just an MFC thing anymore.
JXXX...I have seen you around since I started. I have been camming off and on since 01...took a break, then started back to camming in 04. It is nice to see some familiar faces who come from the times lol On a side note, some things get better with age. I notice alot of top models are over the age of 27 and blow these young bbies out of the water because they have respect for themselves, their image, and were not introduced to camming in a time when MFC style sites have become the norm.
It is not always a site issue either, it is also the models. I am not trying to blame/point finger but the models are just as guilty. Just because MFC is set up the way it is, does not mean that all of the models have to give it all away for free. If they all kept their clothes on, the site would be a much different atmosphere. Unfortuantely, it has gotten to the point that a model cannot make money there unless she keeps up with the joneses...if you can't beat them join them right? I could not fathom working on a site like MFC giving it all away for free in hope of making money. BUT again, I have never tried this hustle. It just seems ass-backwards to me...and yes I know some of the girls there make great money. MFC really is a great concept in theory, but they should have some rules in free chat.....this is just my humble opinion, but obviously MFC attracts beggers and cheapies, in the long run their business model will do more harm then good. I do not know how the site makes any kind of money now because they also pay out a higher percentage...this is the only thing I like about MFC lol.
I see just as many older models as new with lower prices and public shows. As to MFC it's a strange beast but I have seen some top girls there who don't do public masturbation shows, but they are laughing, talking, dancing and being entertaining as hell.
The business changes I have been the adult industry on and off since the late 90's, something is always going to change. I started off as PSO and the money used to roll in with zero effort. Now it's a different game, same with camming. No industry can stay the same as the world changes. It's not only a different generation of models it's a different generation of customers, who grew up with the internet, with free access to porn with a completely different understanding of sex and sexuality.
As to the issue of having respect for one's self. I don't think hustle or pricing or style of show has anything to do with self-respect. I see many people assert that it does, but I beg to differ. Boundaries and comfort levels are very personal. I am a non-nude girl because it suits my niche, but I don't think nude models have less respect for themselves than I. What a girl does or doesn't do is a business decision. Now can crap business decisions when made by a large majority have a negative impact on the industry yes. Yes, they can. However I think we all should realize there needs to be a certain amount of reasonable flexibility and adaptation to adjust to the market.
At this point it's about selling your persona. Guys can get spank material anywhere, so now the name of the game is making them want you. This is true all over, even on MFC you can a girl on the first page and a girl on the last page doing the same exact thing. The difference is that the girl on the first page has sold her persona in such a way that guys WANT to spend on her and they want to see her show, even if there is a cheaper option. It's about creating need and desire for you.
I don't know but IRL a business model like MFC would not work. Could you imagine opening a business, lets say in fast food. Inviting all of your customers to come in and eat for free, then if they like it they can leave a tip of any amount (or none at all?)
I am not saying none of the girls on MFC have self-respect, like you said everyone has their own comfort levels, but the site as a whole and what the models are allowed to do in FREE is hurting our industry as a whole. Like tubsites are hurting porn, sites like MFC are hurting webcams. I dont know how their customers can tolerate it either, I would not be into paying for a girl to broadcast for everyone to see, but custies are changing with the times, too. They like looking like the big fish in a room full of beggers, it is not that difficult to appear to be a whale on MFC because most of the guys do not pay at all. This is the perfect circumstance for a guy to tip $100 and feel like he is the "MAN" in the room lol.
I am just a young whipper snapper so please take my opinion with a grain of salt but I have worked both MFC and SM and they are two different beast when it comes in terms of hustle.
With MFC the naked girl is kind of really optional. The money comes from having an 'everyone knows your name' feel to the place. Regs know each other and say hello and greet them by name. To me, MFC is kind of more like a virtual strip bar because a lot of time guys are there it is to be social, not really to get off.
With SM it is completely different. It is all about being a sex object. The guys don't want to know your regs and barely want to know much about you. Yes, they may get attached to you eventually but on MFC your regs really believe that they are friends with you.
Hmmm, this is getting long winded. How about I sum up with a metaphor?
Apple won't lose much business to Andriod because their customers like the way Apple makes their style of phones and runs their business.
Andriod won't go out of business because their customers like the way that Andriod makes their style of phone and runs their business.
Is there some cross-over? Of course! Could they ever lose their customers? Hell yeah if they offer a lesser quality product or someone comes out with an even better one.
Streamate and MFC have two different customers bases.
In summary, I may be young and naive but I am not overly worried about one destroying the other.
I have noticed that on MFC...the guys are much chattier and like to interact with one another. Back in the day I was on this little hole in the wall site that was like it, but they had more rules. I think Sm has its problems too....SM members have difficulty interacting with one another because SM did not always have a party chat, where members could see each other typing. I never got why SM didnt have a chatroom environment...when I signed up it blew my mind that members could not see what each other were typing, and it is confusing for them because U have a model responding to ?'s that another member is typing, all the while the room cannot see what you are talking about. It would be nice if there was an in-between. I really do like to enter a chatroom full of 100+ people, this is a TOP model sm chatroom on a good day (of course some get more but on MFC this is a constant and top model rooms seem to have 500+ people on any given day) BUT, on MFC although the rooms have alot of traffic, is it good traffic or bad? You can fill up a room easy, but getting the room to spend is another ballgame. As a veteran, it has always been quality over quantity for me. Id rather have a room full of 10 guys all day who spend, rather then a room of 500 who do not, but that is just me I would also rather do 5 LONG shows, rather then 20 short shows, but that is just me too. I know some models HATE long shows, they seem to never end and they get bored and run out of stuff to say lol. It is soooo individual, it really is mind blowing. A top model from SM could go to MFC and have difficulty making$$, and likewise for the MFC girl going to SM. I really loved this site i worked on back in the day, you would come online to crowded rooms, there was a free chat, semi-private chat, paid chat and voyeur chat. I do not understand why more sites dont have this voyeur feature anymore. Members would be able to view u in ur pvt shows for a lower rate, but they could not chat or direct. This option alone would make me hundreds back in the day. I do not like SM's premium chat feature, it comes close but no cigar. It seems guys just want a cheaper rate, and then u get a few viewers who all want something different. With the addition of gold group shows, premium chat on sm has become obsolete. I also refuse to set my rate in premium chat low enough to get massive amounts of viewers in my premium chat, when I can just do a gold show lol. If the guys could come in just to watch in a voyeur type way...it would be great and it adds up. MFC has a voyeur chat too, when the models do pvt chats others can pop in and view right? It seems not one site has it all together, all of them are missing that one thing. I think MFC gives models alot of options too, such as having videos and stuff for sale. I know SM offers this, but it is not as obvious as mfc. IMLIVE really has it going on on their site, they have so many options, free chat is optional, you can make recordings,etc...but their traffic sucks lol. One day, there may be a camsite of all of our dreams, that has alot of options and seems to take the best of all camsites and put them together. And to my little whipper snapper: your opinion is valid and important, newbies and vets alike, we all differ just as much as the sites we are on. I originally created this post so I could get some insight from models who work on sites like MFC and tipping based sites. I am curous about them but I am nervous to sign up for a site like MFC that, IMHO puts too much out there for free. I am only on the outside looking in, also, so I never know until I try. I could end up signing up to MFC one day and loving it, you never know, but until then, call me old or closed-minded..it just doesnt seem like the type of site for an oldskool cammer like me. I am trying to broaden my horizons and keep up with the times, and keep an open mind nonetheless.
LOL That is it! I am going to start wearing my strapon in free chat all of the time, and becoming the crazy strapon bitch on SM lol. I had this idea for a long time, alot of girls offer strappy but do not wear them all of the time in free chat lol. I will do gold shows and use them as an opportunity to publicly humiliate my highest tipper lol. HA! Entertaining side note: I have a good fan I have known for years. We think of ways to make my free chat more entertaining, talkin gabout wierd topics to every day shit. I was chatting with him the other night and we came up with a really fun idea. He is always my highest tipper in my GS because he wuvs me lol so next time I do a gs we are going to think of wierd shit to do lol. Such as a giantess show, strap-on, etc. We also had and I hope nobody takes offense, but he is a from mexico and is going to chat in broken english, pls mistress i need ur feets lol. I will then respond calling him my puta. lol. We have also come up with him appearing to have multiple personalities lol...first coming to my room being a complete asshole, then tipping and being like, I am so sorry baby...please forgive me...then going back to asshole and then tipping again and being like, I love you so much, I cannot believe i treat you like this lol.....the things I have to do to even keep myself entertained are rediculous lol.
I got to interject, but does anyone wonder why they end some sentences with "lol"... I know why, but do you customers know why or care? lol
I personally wouldn't run a site exactly like MFC but the fact is it is working. It has it's good and bad. I Don't know that food is good comparison. Food doesn't talk back you or block you if you are a PIA. LOL No seriously do I personally think the way MFC is run is the best way to run a cam site. No I don't but it's profitable so it will work until it doesn't work. As to it hurting the industry, well change is inevitable and not all of it is good, but the cat is out of the bag. Much like porn sites we have to adapt. It's about standing out, and being unique.In your last paragraph you hit on a big part of the appeal of MFC, getting to feel like the big fish.Now all of that said MFC's rules say nudity is allowed if free chat, but no masturbation. Clearly they don't enforce it but if the did I honestly think it would be better for the modelsThat is very appealing to some guys and I believe that community feel, flexing for the guys, tip wars etc, are a huge part of what keeps MFC going. The free nudity just brings the lookers, however if you can cultivate an air of competition in the room, then it's not even about getting naked anymore. Now all of that said MFC's rules say nudity is allowed if free chat, but no masturbation. Clearly they don't enforce it but if the did I honestly think it would be better for the models because then you could get guys who are willing to pay for a show in group, but you would still keep the competitive nature of the site as girls would still do goals for nudity and still have games and raffles and such. However I don't see that happening.
I started on PrivateCams in 2005. I too love to see performers that have been around for years. They get the gripes of us dinosaurs who started back in the day when sites had strict rules and enforced them, when money was so easy to make and when customers didn't harass for nudity. Most top models on cam sites are over the age of 30, they don't always use their real ages. I do agree about the newer models. They do what they have to do to make money. They didn't get to experience cam sites when the sites actually gave a shit.
I have always said some performers are just as much to blame. They know the site rules and they break them anyways. I tried MFC and it wasn't for me. I can't get naked first and then hope to be tipped after. If it works for other performers, more power to them. I always wish all the performers the best in what they do. It is really hard to do well on cam sites now. It's a whole new ball game and these performers are doing the best they can.
I was just talking about this to my ex(aka my sounding board) the other day. I want to increase my per hour rate and placement. I have an hd cam, sound, fast internet, use an Ethernet cable, use the encoder, semi new computer, good lighting, clean setup, 5 stars but my per hour rate won't budge. So these last couple of days I've been researching, brainstorming new ideas, and studying models who are in the top couple of rows on the main page and in my category.
Most of my favorite top models do what you expressed xxxxxxxxx(strip tease/nude in freechat, include videos in goldshows, do mostly gold shows, do requests for gold, etc). So I thought about changing my hustle to be like their's but I realized that doing what they do just isn't in my comfort zone. So I thought about things some more and pretty much came to the same conclusion that xxxxxxxx did. All of the top models that I enjoy watching are happy, engaging, and you can tell that they love being a camgirl.
So instead of trying to fake the funk I'm going work on my freechat performance...be; more social, friendly, engaging, and increase my tolerance level. I use to enjoy camming and this whole online career (dressing up, taking picture, filiming clips, etc). But over the years my passion for it has just been fading, fading,fading and its come to feel more like a chore. I want to get back to the point where I enjoy being my alter ego through camming, clips, pics, etc.
We all get tired of it sooner or later like in any other line of work but camming, same like modelling, sports and some others cant be successful til the end of days, we age and loose enthusiasm especially when we constantly harassed by trolls and insulted, that's energy consuming, we getting mentally exhausted. Congrats to the ones who can be happy and enthusiastic and lots of power, confidence and patience to the less fortunate ones. We cant be all top girls, right?
True we all get tired, age, and loose enthusiasm. That's the natural order of things. An of course we can't all be top models. But I'm not at total exhaust or on my camgirl/online adult entertainer death bed yet. Plus I don't see increasing your $$ or being a top model as an unattainable goal. I've heard quite a few models on here express how they were on page whatever and worked their way to the main-page and sometimes to the first couple of rows. I've also heard models express how they were making $15, $20, $30 an hour and worked their way to $60, $80, $100, $200 an hour. There's no hurt in finding my own flaws and trying different ways to improve them. If I fail at trying to get my passion back, increasing my per hour rate/placement, or being in top placement then its ok because I'd rather know that I tried an failed then know that I didn't try at all.
Ok, not sure if this thread is the right place for me to post this but i'll do it anyway as i posted already in here, talking about adjusting to (new) situation regarding work; i really need to talk to somebody about how i feel and i have nobody to share these feelings with but u, my fellow colleagues here. so pls bare with me, i really need ur support.
what u do and how u handle a situation where u dont feel attractive and appropriate for camming, when u feel guys are not that much into u, that no matter how hard u try to be successful u just dont get there? that every time u try to get people in ur room u get insults like 'gross, ugly, fat, disgusting'? i dont know who these mean people are but still, it hurts every time cause deep inside urself u know they are somehow right?
been young, 25 yo, very slim, started to work in a studio, i was doing shit, i saw my colleagues being successful, i sucked soo bad, left studio and with my ex bf help i started to work at home, found myself a niche (he helped to figure things out) and so i started to have people buying my shows, still always felt i dont have what it takes to be successful.
That's something u feel inside you, the public is the one judging, no matter how pretty i think i am if guys dont want me means i am not appealing to them. so what u do in this situation when on top of not being top hot u also come from another world, u need to work in a foreign language u barely know, u try to give performance but when u open mouth people leave cause u dont have the right accent? even they were into u before and liked ur show.
what u do when u feel u dont belong there in front of camera but u know u need to stay there cause somebody else is depending on you, that u know u need to keep a roof over ur head and feed ur kid, provide for him so he can go to school and get education, when u know u the only one who brings money in, when u know his father doesent want to pay child support and government doesent help with anything, what u do when u know u suffer soo bad cause u cant make more money but u also know that if u give up u fucked and the world collapses for you and ur family?
imagine urself in this situation for 12 years (with 2 years break), would u feel tired too living like this for soo long and digging inside urself for power and motivation to keep going?
what is more difficult, to be successful when u have all it takes to be successful in camming (beauty, body, smartness, native english speaker) or to have kinda success when u have none of that?!
I bet there are many women in this industry feeling the same, they are just quiet and suffer silently, they prefer to keep these feelings for themselves, i just want to make people aware what someone can go thru sometimes, even on cam the model smiles and looks hot and horny u never know what that person is hiding deep inside.
one thing is aggravating this situation is when i get trolls that come to insult, that's something i cant understand, let others to earn a buck too, everyone deserves to make a living, guess i am too idealistic tho
Yeah, that's me and my issues, not sure how many of you will understand what i am saying/ feeling here, i know i sacrificed myself for my son and our well being, i also helped and help my sick mom with money when i can, i wish i could do more, i did and do what is in my powers, mother nature is not always generous with everyone but even so, there is room for everyone and even u dont score the big money u can still make some money.
I am happy for people having success, i am positive regarding people wanting success, i am also near the ones that suffer silently and fight life, i am allergic to ignorant, full of themselves, judgemental, mean and superficial people. Have peace!
First, don't take this job personal. It's not. It's skill, hardwork & luck.
Second, it's an acting job. When I'm banging myself I'm most likely thinking about the timer, how I'm doing my hair tomorrow or if I want to eat an orange. The guys think I'm invested but I'm not.
Third, don't care. Good whores don't have hearts. I'm just speaking from experience. Each customer is only as good as their last dollar spent or thier next dollar spent.
Fourth, don't compare yourselves to other girls. It may be their time to shine. You may be blessed in other ways not financial and they may be empty inside. You never know. Just have a goal for your needs and try to base your happiness on that. This isn't a competition.
Im very happy with camming. I have had a lot of experience with what the workforce has to offer. Even my worst day of camming is better to me than working a square job. I feel honored to turn on my computer and get money automatically put in my account just for someone seeing me, or wake up to an amazon gift card etcetera. The freedom of working how & when I want is priceless to me. And I don't feel I'm doing anything sexual. Because what gets me off sexually is not the performance I put on cam. That is what I think guys want to see. I fake everything. Sex for me is emotion, so if I was sharing my emotions I might feel like I was selling a piece of my soul but I'm not.
How true. As I lay there pounding myself I am secretly balancing the checkbook, thinking about my weekend, or wanting a slice of pizza lol. I am acting for sure
Thank you xxxxxxxxx, xxxxxx and xxx, u are all very kind ladies and gave me important input. what i wrote is about what i feel INSIDE which is totally different than what i show on cam, i am talking about an inner conflict between the real me and my cam persona, they dont match, means i am not that into what i do but i do my best to present myself in a good light, i definately know what i am doing as i got the long years experience and all, some people find me gorgeous, i got very nice comments and reviews, 5 stars and am admired by many guys, some will find me not attractive and insult me. the point is i am not there in the top, i am an average model and this is not satisfactory to me. i assume is the looks that is not appealing to most guys, i mean who likes me finds me very special and unique but for some reason i cant attract the crowds, if i try gold shows people wont buy, can u imagine i tried a gs and just 1 guy in my room pledged 5 gold? then when show started (i went for it cause i needed few more dollars to complete for a check) other 2 guys chipped in but after they entered my room and saw me they left !!??? even they paid for the show?!?! so i did the show for only that 1st guy? i was afraid if he leaves too, what could have happened to my show lol and my money? how embarrassing, how pathetic? that's what i am talking about, these kind of situations when u feel rejected, not wanted as a woman. about comparing to others, is impossible not to compare when u read here how models bank and the money some do in a day i make in a week?! guess i am too sensitive, i was told in real life that i have a very big heart and i do care too much sometimes but this is me and can never change and i dont want to change actually cause that represents who i am and i am proud of who i am. i do the best i can and put up a great show with guys that are into me, that's for sure. i just wanted more guys were into me haha and i also wish people would not be soo mean. Thank you for listening, i hope u got the idea, is a bit difficult for me to explain things in a foreign language and also understand the true meaning of some sentences here but i work on it, still learning
It has nothing to do with looks anymore. It used to be if you were smoking hot you had show after show after show. It isn't like that anymore. Gold shows are about how much shit you give away with your show. If you look performers are giving out video's, picture sets, customs sets, etc. So these guys are expecting all these goodies now for a four or five bucks. It's one of the reasons I don't do Gold shows.
If you are feeling like that on the inside, then you could be projecting that in your room and not even realize it. You are a sexy woman, you make these men your bitches and make them do what you want. Think that when you are logged in.
The more performers I see leaning heavily on the crutches of give-aways for their success, the less success I've seen them have.
As in: I rarely EVER see them reach their targets, or rake in tips...
Sure there are ladies who do giveaways who do awesomely, but I would not for one second put their incredible success down their giveaways.
I would put it down their entertainment value as performers.
Just in case no one is buying any of this (lol)...
There's a lady on SM who prices her shows at at least $1 per min, gives NO freebies, and doesn't even flash for tips, and Rakes. It. In.
And I mean like fuck.. Whenever I see her on, she is reaching targets $200 - $500.
What sells about her? How does she do it?
Yeah she's got awesome lighting, and fantastic stream quality, but those aside, she has a heart-shatteringly sweet voice and demeanor; she's courteous as fuck, polite, grateful, and simultaneously Angelic but completely down-to-earth and approachable. She chats to her audience, and gives her guests the feeling that they are actually *involved*. She is also dripping with the impression that she is legitimately sexually aroused. She is not Barbie; she is hot in a totally "nerdy girl-next-door" way. With the massive erection-power these traits of hers wield, she makes reaching larger targets look so delightfully simple.
On an unrelated, but still kind of related note... So many performers forget how simply thanking a guy for his tip can kind of almost leave him "star-struck"... If that sounds silly, keep in mind who you are entertaining here. Many of these guys are very lonely people who may be feeling very isolated in their lives. Some may even suffer terrible nervous problems which may mean that go without any female contact at all. Not all of them are like this by any means! But these people exist. If you thank a tipper, show him some love, that could actually be hugely impacting for the better for both client and performer, and mean you see him tip you more often.
The main deciding factor for whether a guy want to tip for your show or not isn't just about how much you're giving away with the show. You can give away everything you have free with your show, and have very, very little tippers. I've seen this happen an actual fuck-ton lately, and the performer looks baffled, like "WTF? I'm selling everything I fucking own with this show! What next am I supposed to sell? My goddamn house?!"
It's completely missing the point.
Many of these performers have so much damn
"$5 tip for 3287468 vids!
$10 tip for 234097890286702 vids and pics!"
in their GOLD show topic, that they don't even mention what the show is about!
I've seen guys asking and asking what she's doing in the show - so many times the performer says nothing!
What's the difference between millions of "free vids!" already on the internet for any of our tippers to get to in a couple of clicks, and a random camgirlselling her porn clips?
Her style, manner, showmanship and entertainment value. For a camgirl, those thing are always going to be tops.
Alrighty, You all can glean whatever you wish from their own words. I just tell it like it is, oops, sorry, tell it like they make you think it is.
P.S.- I really would like to thank these women who dare admit their true insights, feelings and thoughts regarding their work. Without them, I would not have the "fodder" to tell the truth. Thank you.