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Apr 28 15 3:07 AM

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"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Apr 28 15 2:12 PM

For sure it is, but not only.
It is also a precious source of violent conversations between me and a romanian studio stakeholder (owner or admin ?) who played many roles of afflicted members from all around the world while he was a webpimp, where he sent tents of posts qualifiable as harassment as different screenames or showing beyond doubts how poeple in that "field" does obstruction of justice by suggesting destruction of proofs.
Why are theses conversations extremely precious : coz they bring to the public notice what's the deep nature of videochat.

And why has that thread been discontinued : for the same reason, certainly with the "help" of one of CGN VIP members given my webpimp was all the time quoting this forum... then is actually today again one of theses VIP members.

how are you doing my friend from "studio silver" ?
how is the scamming business going ?
is switzerland always a safed place for money laudering and hiring ex (s)camgirls as escorts ?

greetings from your french "friend" my dear.
LOL
 

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Apr 28 15 7:08 PM

Come on, be transparent and say who, which VIP.

I for one have never been to Switzerland, not even electronically.

"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Apr 28 15 9:26 PM

Wich VIP ? Lol ?!
Let me tell you a little thing. First that forum allows it's supporters to create numerous profiles. Then nothing forbid me to assume you're not only "sans nom bidule chouette". I notice there are others "sans nom bidule chouette" here... do you see what i mean ?
Second, as i wrote, my friend from "silver studio" used himself MANY screenames. He's main and fatal mistake was to use one called "_silver_" (what was particulary stupid from that guy who had the contemt to tell me he was intellectually superior by comparison with me).

In other words i don't know which VIP he's here and to be perfectly honest, i don't care.
I just know he's one of you.

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Apr 28 15 9:31 PM

another thing.
When a videochat stakeholder denies something, the probility he lies is EXTREMELY high.
First coz if there is combination of success in that field, lie is one of the key factor.
Second coz criminals generally deny everything.

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Apr 28 15 9:48 PM

The thread started like this
http://camgirlnotes.fr.yuku.com/topic/2312/Romanian-Cam-Girls-New-TopicOld-Themes#.VT_-9JPLJmE
Isn't it interessting to see "YOU" have an eye on it for long years !? I should better say "had" an eye untill what "you" read was definitively too much dangerous for you.

I have a bad news for you : i printed everything, and my last posts are still available on my profile, with quotations showing an overview of how poeple in that field are real gentlemen or honest businessmen (ironicle ofc), like with my personnal list of Romanian targets for a next great advocacy campaign.
Please do notice well Romanian targets, it matters.

That problem is actually Romanian, mine at least, as i said to "silver", i didn't choose to be scammed by poeple from a particular nation. Then i focus my fight on solutions from the same origin.
I must say I'm impressed by the long list of personnalities and institutions obviously as active as trustable in that matter.
 

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Apr 29 15 12:11 AM

It might pay to stop, at least for a minute, being a moron.

You made an assertion, in reply to a post of mine, so I asked who, and let you know not me.

You and I probably agree between 99% and 100% about the industry and it's methods and effects, however.....

the weird paranoia, makes it hard to take you seriously. Are you sure you aren't Romanian? (no offence meant to any other Romanians)  

"I am very little inclined on any occasion to say anything unless I hope to produce some good by it."
Abraham Lincoln

"I was mute with silence, I held my peace from good; and my sorrow was stirred up."
Psalm 39:2

There is what one knows, there is what one knows they don't know, and there is what one does not know what they do not know.
(mis-quote from an arrogant and dangerous fool, who had at least these wise words to say, if he had only used them to guide his actions)

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Apr 29 15 7:27 AM

If I would be a Romanian, it would make a long time scammers i'm trying to identify would actually had been identifed and sanctionned. If I would be a Romanian, it would make a long time a large cicil society movment would be committed in videochat crimilalization dear.
One of the concrete consequences would be that forum would not be controlled by poeple invold that field limiting their action to information, prevention or online support group. I would prefer activists who would name and shame criminals, who would support victims in their judicial steps, who would publish and comment the court decisions, who would make pressions on polics and economics decision-makers for a strong regulation system (...). In a word to stop the scamming machine wich is an insult to right, more again behind the mask of legality and economic growth vertues for a nation.

That said, i must temperate my point. I learnt a lot about that industry here, and despite of the angry f i feel by reading some comments sounding like scam legitimation, yes, i recognize the contents are often a real help for a first step i'd call "understanding" on one hand, like some posters actually denounce the lack of integrity and "bitch attitude" wich are at the heart of  the scamming practices on another hand.

As some of them wrote, videochat deeply transforms society.
I just think time to take care about the possible cultural harm in the long-run came already years ago, it calls a repressive posture, but the conditions aren't fulfilled fur that next step.
Why ? Coz that "industry" organized it's impunity as pretexts like protecting models privacy or freedom of trade, entrepreneuship and copyrights.

I just say no ! Stop ! Real persons are paying for that "entertainment". But as each business need custommers loyalty to be profitable, underground loyalty programms are implemented in studios, based on an emotional blackmailing, a pervert psychological manipulation... in total contradiction with site's terms and conditions. Theses "loser members" end up literrally ruined both on the financial and the moral plan. The story finishs in a vast arry of degrading remarks, where words are beyond thoughts, where hurts are closing a chapter started as an innocent story.

Posting models training manuel doesn't help if at the end there is no police raid in any studio to collect proofs of personnal relations between clients and girls. But considering no afflicted member has money enough to pay private detectives and lawers all over the world, less again to engage proceedings to a private court, the unique solution would actually be police raids in studios.

I can't handle with the resignation "poeple in that field" impose to me. I feel that new violence as an unbereable one.
But above all, i can't tolerate poeple suggesting i need a shrink to heal like "poeple in that field" regulary get used to while they are guilt of the situation.
What i need is justice, the best medicine, no matter if it's for my own case or another victim one.
« Quand il n’y a plus de solution, reste la vengeance. »
Daniel Pennac

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Apr 29 15 12:55 PM

Whoa, Headliner.. Hold your horses. At CGN we read the Topix thread for the testimony it offered from Romanian models and their foreign clients about Cam-industry in Romania.. Some of the cam-models named in that thread were indeed "scammers" - rogue models who violated the ethical boundaries of the trade by promising to hook-up with clients in real life. This crosses a "red-line" for the majority of models - who are attracted to virtual sex work precisely because they never are expected to meet their clients in a face-to-face meeting in real time. So no touching, no direct communication.. just "fantasy role play" that doesn't put their lives or their health in danger.. The Scammers break that rule and create expectations that other cam models can't and won't meet. So they get denounced in ways we found instructive..
But you are mistaken to think that we are these people's business partners, or that we are here to recruit new victims for this online con game. Quite the opposite.
UL

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May 3 15 7:58 PM

I obviously do not denounce camgirls having promissed to hook-up with clients.
I'm talking about a usual victimizing storytelling consiting to create empathy or culpability about girls pretending to need money for their fundamental rights like eating, paying their rent, having access to health cares, complying university fees, supporting their family (...) while both their earnings and social protections systems are highest than their "suckers" ones. While the money sent by WU or gained by means of "friendly" conversationnal privates shows is spent in fashion gears, chic restaurants, party nights in trendy clubs and bars (...) the suckers can't pay for themselves.
I'm talking about empty promisses of love, which have nothing to do with any play role nor fantasy.
All of this is an emotional blackmailing, institutionnally organized and monitored.

Given in addition sites are sensed to provide sexual entertainments (videochat sites ads are displayed on porn sites, explicitely offering hot paid shows) it constitutes a conspiracy to defraud regarding the law. That type of fraud being the severliest punished, it explains why sites runners are kept safe from public eyes, why no connection between girls or studios are possible for clients, why supoorts are inoperating... What are also trade laws violations.

All of this is indiscutable.
But ofc, you know perfectly what i mean.

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May 4 15 1:20 PM

"Breach of Promise'?

In other words, you seem to be charging Cam-Models with "breach of promise" - grounds for the kind of criminal lawsuit brought by jilted women against their unfaithful fiancees in Victorian times. I don't think that marriage is on the minds of most clients of Cam Models. As one of our Ukrainian model members once remarked: "Guys come to Porno Sites to see Porno Girls" and watch them perform sex acts on themselves as an aid to "sexual stress relief." That is, they mainly come to see them "strip and masturbate" and get off on it.  That's what's on offer. And any romantic fantasy is merely icing on the cake. I am not endorsing this practice.. If your preferred mode of sexual fulfillment is "perving," then you may quickly develop a persistent case of ED - that is, an inability to respond to actual sexual stimuli from a sexual partner in real life. This is called "porn creep" and you can read all about "Cyber-sex addiction" here. Just use the search function.
UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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May 4 15 3:41 PM

No, i denounce a conspiracy to defraud in which absolutely each videochat stakeholder is guilt.
If guys would come on sites for sexual stuffs, if it would be what's on offer and only what's on affair... I REPEAT :
- Sites registristations would permit to identify runners and locate businesses ;
- Supports would reply in an appropriate way like providing records without insulting loyal clients ;
- Girls wouldn't be trained to have personnal relations with their clients while it's forbidden by the site's rules...

... and ofc no scam would be shame.

My speech is not only perfectly explicit, it's indebatable.
Probably the reason why you mulpiplies efforts to avoid the topic.

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May 21 15 12:55 AM

i still wait ur answers pimp :
- what universities are driving the "sociologist" studies here ? are they published ? how are they financed ?
- how do you explain your denial you write on different forum under different screenames while i posted here the proofs you lie ?
- what drives your decision to reply as UL or the other screenames like Trainer ?
...

ban me if you want.
i'll come back

as long as i won't get satisfying ansers

 

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May 21 15 4:20 AM

Cam-girl: Clarification of the rules

Clarifying the rules


These regulations are addressed to all registered members of the Forum.

At registration do not to use the nick name of personal pages, company name or any nickname that could be construed as advertising.

Respect the Admin and moderators decisions and if you want to complain, use PM (Private Message) or e-mail.

Post Topic TOP only, Off topic posts will be deleted, and users that are constantly posting Off topic will be banned

When opening a new subject, try to fit in the most appropriate category. The first page is displayed all the forum, each comes with an explanation of the message type that fits the category.

Do not offend in any way forum members.

- Do not post false information, vulgar, racist or any other data that are considered illegal.

- Try to help the users of forum and not put them in uncomfortable situations those who do not know so much about this activity. Remember that nobody is born already taught. In turn, I do not think you would like you to be answered with "jokes" to simple questions but you do not yet know the answer.

- Do not post direct links to other sites like www.x / y / z.com, when you want examples site www.x / y / it will be xyz z.com, unless is a non videochat website business of a reputable website ( ex: social articles from known magazines.. etc)

- Do not post your email address or phone numbers in text messages, email can be filled in the profile and contacts can be made using the PM (Private Message). Also not publish names or addresses of persons in order to prove something.

- When you created a new topic, choose a short description of topic as and stright to the point Ex: You have a technical problem on the computer ... the topic will be something like: "technical problems with computer" but not HELP !!!!! Or PROBLEMEEEEE .

- Each board member should be aware of forum REGULATION, ignorance will not absolve him of violating rules.


Important clarifications:

- YOUR PRESENCE ON THIS FORUM AND ACCEPTANCE AS USER should be considered a privilege, not a right. You can be banned at any time for failure to observe this regulation.

Addendum: Repeated attacks on the Moderators or members of this forum with baseless slanders will result in a permanent ban.
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