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HI I'm new and I would like to know if any one has ever had a successful romance with a model? any marriages? any real relationships? any advice from the models??? I would really like for some of the girls to tell me what they think?? and if they think it is possible?? I sorry if this has been covered some where else on the site and I have not found it yet. I just found the site. but I have been going to chat for about 2 years. It has changed how I view the world lol In many ways! but as you might have guessed from the topic I'm interested in knowing if any one has ever meet in the real world and been happy together???
Thank you any info would help!!

"It is not who is right, but what is right, that is of importance."

"Thoughtfulness for others, generosity, modesty, and self-respect are the qualities which make a real gentleman or lady."

"It is one of the most saddening things in life that, try as we may, we can never be certain of making people happy, whereas we can almost always be certain of making them unhappy."
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Dec 23 07 10:05 PM

[SIZE=7]Trainer thank you!! I'm very pleased to hear this!! every one I have spoken to about this else where thinks I'm crazy or a fool!! or both!! I'm glad to know I'm not crazy! I will tread softly mostly because I don't want any harm to come to the other person!! I am glad to know that it is at least possible to date a model in real life and that marriage is possible!! Thank you

"It is not who is right, but what is right, that is of importance."

"Thoughtfulness for others, generosity, modesty, and self-respect are the qualities which make a real gentleman or lady."

"It is one of the most saddening things in life that, try as we may, we can never be certain of making people happy, whereas we can almost always be certain of making them unhappy."
Thomas Huxley

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Dec 23 07 10:33 PM


Welcome Max.. I am sure our model members may have a thing or two to say on this issue.
But in the meantime, read the long thread on "friendship."
UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Dec 24 07 1:02 AM

Uncle lewis yes I will, thank you and yes it is the models I want to hear from the most I want to know if they believe it is possible???Thank you for your reply:)

"It is not who is right, but what is right, that is of importance."

"Thoughtfulness for others, generosity, modesty, and self-respect are the qualities which make a real gentleman or lady."

"It is one of the most saddening things in life that, try as we may, we can never be certain of making people happy, whereas we can almost always be certain of making them unhappy."
Thomas Huxley

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Dec 24 07 8:19 AM

Max,

Welcome! Somehow when I saw this question I didn't even have to scroll down to the bottom of the page to know what name would be the "Newest Member!"

You might spend days reading everything here that's been posted on this topic.

But I must quote (and slightly edit) an unnamed pirate (here, pirates are generally those who make illegal recordings of cam girls' shows, then post the recordings for others to download and/or watch) for the most succinct response:

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About relationships with models, once again for me there's no rules : all is possible. True fairy-tale romances and crap lies.


If you really want your eyes opened, I'd also suggest reading the various models' manuals that are posted elsewhere here.

I wish you luck and, as Trainer said, be careful what you wish for!

Wanker

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* Never eat at a place named Mom's.
* Never play cards with a man named Doc.
* Never get in a relationship with someone whose problems are worse than your own.
--Anon.

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This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.
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Dec 24 07 1:19 PM

Wanker,
Thank you for your reply! I'm sorry if my naivete is so obvious! but if I don't ask I won't learn lol. Your reply sounds much more like what I have been hearing else where. That all models are lairs, and that I'm a fool!! also where are the hand books posted? Thank you for explaining pirates also, I have not read about that yet. I guess I am truly ignorant about all of this! your post sounds a lot less hopeful then the others, but I am hoping that here, on this site, I can find the truth, this is the first place I have found with both models and members, both sides of the coin so to speak. I realize that chat is probable not the best place to look for a date! lol But in the last 2 years I have become very fond of one model....... and You probable know the rest of the story lol

Thank you
Max

"It is not who is right, but what is right, that is of importance."

"Thoughtfulness for others, generosity, modesty, and self-respect are the qualities which make a real gentleman or lady."

"It is one of the most saddening things in life that, try as we may, we can never be certain of making people happy, whereas we can almost always be certain of making them unhappy."
Thomas Huxley

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Dec 24 07 1:23 PM


Max I really don't want to throw a bucket of cold water on your hopes and affections.

Wanker is correct to suggest that you really need to read over very carefully the Models Manual from Flirt4Free - a masterpiece of cynicism but well informed - that you can find in the Sex Tourism area here - http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=40 .

This reading is especially relevant given this comment that I received this week from a web-site "Greenie" ( admin) where he said:

"I see a very different world than the typical user. I see a world where model's lie and play with heartstrings just to make a buck. Some are better at it than others. But really I find it quite pathetic the emails that guys send, professing endless, undying love, wanting to get married, nude photos, etc, etc, etc... Some of them have really got it in their heads that they are going to move there to go and live with the models. And what do the girls do? Encourage them of course. You've got a thread on friendship, with the article of the guy who actually married his webcam sweetheart, which is quite unusual, from what I can understand."


So Max, the odds are against you and the deck stacked in favor of the house management....

But they don't always win, Max.. People do hijack their communication network all the time
and take it to personal spaces that didn't figure in the web-pimps' business plan..

And I am sure that there are some models here who can testify to the fact that sometimes love does conquer all....lol

So while old Scrooge mutters "Bah Humbug" under his breath, let me wish you a hearty "Merry Christmas" from the MadHatter.
UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Dec 24 07 3:44 PM

UL,
Thank you, I have been reading "the manual" and yes it is an eye opener, wow. I am sad to think the person I think I care for is only a complete illusion, simply devised to take my money. Ty for the link. I'm new to this sort of forum as well. I guess I have been fooled. I still want to hear from some models. Your post of the comment is very revealing to me!! I am one of the fools a pathetic guy, lol. I am very fond of one model and I had hoped to travel to meet her some day. But now I think I would only be wasting my time and money. And a bucket of cold water may be exactly what I need lol. I had read the thread about the marriage and found it encouraging, but it may not even be true. I am beginning to believe that I can not believe anything lol. I hope it is true that some times it works out! I would love to know the statistics on that!! lol Maybe I will beat the odds.

Merry Christmas to you too!! and thanks again
Max

"It is not who is right, but what is right, that is of importance."

"Thoughtfulness for others, generosity, modesty, and self-respect are the qualities which make a real gentleman or lady."

"It is one of the most saddening things in life that, try as we may, we can never be certain of making people happy, whereas we can almost always be certain of making them unhappy."
Thomas Huxley

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Dec 24 07 3:55 PM


Max.. Also read the model comments here.. Try Gabby for a start and then look at Delfina, Giggles, Just_Me and Sweet October...Read them and you will quickly see that it's not only members who fear being deceived....

This industry sells "Hot sex fantasies" and that's all that most male members want out of this situation. In short, to "rent out" some compliant girl who will act in whatever porn scenario they happen to have running in their head. But also someone who will pretend to be that "girl next door" - while they give themselves a hand-job.
And if that's all you want, that's all you will get from them.
As one Russian model member once ruefully remarked to me:
"Most guys come on porn sites to see porno-girls and nothing else."

BUT these young Eastern European and Russian women are also students too,
and so they are actually the cultural and social peers of people like you...
As one Bucharest Admin put it to me: " Remember Uncle, they are just ordinary girls."

They bring their hopes to this situation as well - for romance and also maybe for geographic and social mobility.
And on occasion they refuse to play the role of Online ""courtesan" that the industry web-pimps have assigned to them...

So Max, don't give up on your special girl just yet.
Maybe she's a real person with you.

It does happen - rarely I must admit - but all the same, it can happen.

UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Dec 24 07 9:46 PM

UL
After reading some of the things on this site I am now more concerned for her then ever!! I had no idea about pirates, girls being blackmailed etc.. I am very fearful that whether or not things work out for her and I, she is putting her future and her whole life at risk!! just by having this job! This site has been a real education for me! and I have only scratched the surface of it! I knew the porn industry was a bad thing for the girls that worked in it, I just never knew how bad! Thank you for telling what things to look at first. I'm still reading the models comment you suggested, and exploring your site! I want to thank everyone who is responsible for this site! I'm going to try to convince the model I care for to check this site out. I think it will help her too. Even if she is only playing me for prvt's, she is a student and needs not have her life destroyed before it even gets started by her job.
thank you
Max
Trainer,
Thinking with my head is why I am here, ty any advice is welcome. If my interest in her was purely sexual, well there are easier ways to get laid, sorry if I'm being crude, then flying halve way around the world. no you can't buy love or friendship! And you are right about love requiring intimacy that is why I would like some day to travel to meet her. as for time we have only know each other for two years, chat e-mail etc. not a long time, but not a week-end romance either, lol so we would need to meet and spend time together in the real world before there could be "true love" and that is why I'm here to find out if that is even possible, so far it is looking bleak. I truly care for the girl or I would not be here. I may be wrong for caring for her, or my "love" for her may be based entirely on lies! or it may even be wrong to care for some one you only know on-line. But my feelings for her a real enough! or at least they are to me. I can't read her mind, so I can only go on what she tells me her feelings are for me, but, she at least says we are friends and is interested in seeing if there could be more, if this is true or chat girl lies I do not know, that is why I am here to learn to understand her world. I welcome any advice from any one! I hope some of the models will share there thoughts too?? Sorry this is so long. but I guess at this point it is best to put my cards on the table and let the chips fall where they may, from what I have read here this site seems to be the best place to discuss this??
Max

"It is not who is right, but what is right, that is of importance."

"Thoughtfulness for others, generosity, modesty, and self-respect are the qualities which make a real gentleman or lady."

"It is one of the most saddening things in life that, try as we may, we can never be certain of making people happy, whereas we can almost always be certain of making them unhappy."
Thomas Huxley

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Jan 11 08 3:59 AM

If I may ask? would some of the models Please give there thoughts on this? I want to thank all the members for there posts, But I would really like to hear from the models or ex models, Ladies have any of you ever had a romance with a guy from chat? would you even consider such a thing? any comments are welcome! Any advice??
Thanks
Max
I may be a fool in love! but I'm not giving up on her just yet!

"It is not who is right, but what is right, that is of importance."

"Thoughtfulness for others, generosity, modesty, and self-respect are the qualities which make a real gentleman or lady."

"It is one of the most saddening things in life that, try as we may, we can never be certain of making people happy, whereas we can almost always be certain of making them unhappy."
Thomas Huxley

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Jan 11 08 4:29 AM

Ok... what can i say? This is all individual thing
I know lots of models who wouldnt want any serious relations with foreigners or/and customers.
I know lots of models who were/are using guys lieing to them.
But also i do know some girls who had or having relations with customers
Or even married them.
No names except...ok, one. Me
P.S. I know some people here were waiting for me to say that;) Hope you are satisfied

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I am holding on to nothing, thats why i have nothing to defend.
I have no thoughts, thats why i will SEE
I am afraid of nothing, thats why i will remember myself.
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Jan 11 08 4:31 AM

I think one thing you might want to look at is being a friend first and not look for love. If it happens it will be a slow process like old style dating. Get to know the person and see what happens if it doesn't it wasn't mean to be. At this point you should be able to start to tell if you don't talk often out of chat and she doesn't worry about whether you go pvt or not. You should have a good indication. Yes the next step is to meet in person and if she makes excuses you know that is not to be. Don't think it will be sexual stars when you meet but maybe just friends meeting you will be able to tell then.

Don't take all the negativity with out some hope. There are honest and dishonest performers and members. Remember they have more to fear from you than you do of them. You can lose money they can be well many things. I call them performers for a reason but it is possible.
I wish you luck but still go slow many times a long time friend is better than a pvt lover.
And yes the performers are the best people to answer. I look forward to their answers.

And congrats Delfina I am very happy for you.

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Jan 11 08 5:18 AM

Delfina,
Thank you very much!!!! I feel much better now! also congratulations!!! I'm glad to here that models can fall in love with members too!
grthngs,
Yes I'm looking to be friends first I have know her for all most two years in chat and E-mails she never asks me for prvts but I some times still take her, though not for a long time now. I hope to go and see her some time this year if she will agree. I care for her deeply, and I what is best for her. But I think she is very special and I can't help but wish for more then friendship, I'm not talking about just sex, I have romantic feelings for her. But I do want to be friends with her real friends in the real world!!
Thanks to both of you for your replies!
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"It is not who is right, but what is right, that is of importance."

"Thoughtfulness for others, generosity, modesty, and self-respect are the qualities which make a real gentleman or lady."

"It is one of the most saddening things in life that, try as we may, we can never be certain of making people happy, whereas we can almost always be certain of making them unhappy."
Thomas Huxley

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Jan 11 08 11:54 AM



Oh Great News, Delfina, indeed.

Congratulations are in order....

And Best Wishes are due to the Bride and Groom.
For Long Life, Good Health and Great Happiness!

So let's all give three, long cheers to our dear member, Delfina
for working hard to make herself a new life
and for winning through in the end.

HUZZAH! HUZZAH! HUZZAH!

Hats off to you both from "the MadHatter"

UL

"I would no more be a Master than a slave. It does not conform to my idea of Democracy." Abraham Lincoln 1856.

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Jan 11 08 2:02 PM

UL you said it to Delfina better than I ever could and D Just remember I will always be there if you need but I know you won't. You will have a great and happy life.

Trainer excellently stated. The key is honesty from our side.

I have a friend who still today I learn more and more and shes been out for 2 and a half years. She has told me things that never occurred to me but it was my willing to be honest that led her to really trust me. It is interesting though I think she feels guilty about not opening up to me. When she tells me something she thinks is bad and I didn't expect but I accept it, we lose touch for a little while. I think it is a way for her to deal with slowly coming forth with all what she thought and didn't think I knew. She is always shocked when I can point out that I knew and tell her why. I think she thought she was more closed than she was. Recently she told me when we first met and I told her my thoughts she didn't believe but as we got to know each other she started to. At that point she said she tried to chase me away but I just accepted her bad moods and continued to be her friend. She finally realized I was there to be her friend and not going to leave.

The hardest thing will be for her to accept she met you as a client. The fact that we did meet there has cast a shadow over our friendship. She has started to separate where our friendship is now and the fact I was a client. She is slowly getting over the fact that all men are not like clients.
It is a long road since I helped her go to school 2 and a half years ago and to boil it all down read Trainers letter above .

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Mar 8 08 9:19 PM

This is kind of an older topic, but in re-reading, particularly grthngs last post, something occurred to me that may have a bearing on this.
Our friends who work in this trade are there to make a living. We may not approve of the work, and I believe the majority of performers would agree with that, but they are there as a job, not voluntarily.
We members, on the other hand, have no financial incentive to participate. Because of this, I agree with grthngs; its not easy for performers to not see us as they see all who frequent these sites. This is a very high hurdle for them to overcome, as many members will use "friendship" to take advantage of them also, among the many psychological games that are played there.
Because of this, I go slowly and with patience around those with whom I would be friends. I accept that there will be secrets, and even lies, for a time. Their need to protect themselves is greater than my need to be accepted.
I consider myself fortunate to have made some wonderful friends this way, people who I have had the good fortune to have met in person and am still in contact with regularly. As for romance or marriage, I am almost 56; women who are age-appropriate for me are not employed in this trade. I did marry one PF performer a few years ago, but differences in age and culture were too large to overcome. Lesson learned, love does not "conquer all", except in story books.
Advice? Practice patience, learn all you can about the culture you are encountering, do not expect that your ways are the only ways, be prepared to compromise in areas you may not even know of yet. There is a great risk of pain ahead, but there is also the possibility of a life-changing happiness. So, dive right in, just wear your life-jacket!!

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Mar 9 08 8:08 PM

if i got it right - Max is in love with a Model Girl...And asked about how to act in that case... So i can say that i am a model too and as for me i would never want to meet someone from site in real life if I was happy in marriage... But sometimes on site I had really interesting encouters and of course i thought about those men and whether I would meet them - BIG MAYBE, but it's still an opportunity. Also i can say - when i communicate with people on the site - and have really good time by talking with some man - i never think about him only as a wallet with money. I always talk with the person and too bad for me - I very often forget about the money that i should be getting from him... Love can be everywere even on a website. But not for me yet ...hehehe

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Mar 10 08 11:15 AM

Hi guys and girls!
What can I say more... I had both experiences on the site - deception and also happiness!!
Some members lie a lot on the site...till the point they think they are somebody else - trying to impress models by their bank account, name, company etc. even if the model doesnt ask for that - thats what happen to me!!! Be very carefull girls for who u choose to talk more! I still get some private numvers calling me at 2-5 am in the morning without saying nothing or even worse, just bcs when I realise that he wasnt right for me I said its over and leave me alone!!
I dont have a general opinion about members (neither a good one, neither a bad one) - I have bf from the site I used to work for- we are together for almost 6 months...so everything is going ok, much more better than I expected - we are making plans for marriage, but I dont want to hurry up!
I think everything its possible on this kind of sites!
And advice - Bring your chosen one here on CGN!!! Give her some tries when she will ask for something, put her patience to a test too - so like this u will know what kind of girl she is!

Take care!
Gabby

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Mar 10 08 5:43 PM

Great advice, Gabby. Thank you so much for all you are doing here. And welcome in your new role as Moderator for the Model Section!

And....thank you for the kind words you said to me in the other post. I feel much better....and knowing what great people are here (you, UncleLewis, and all the others)....I can't stay away. I know I need to help.

Thanks again.

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Mar 10 08 6:10 PM

Congrats Gabby, You give me hope and I am glad that you have come to help other models. I agree with you 100% percent.

Maybe I might ask you for some advice once in a while

I want to do the right thing.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil...is for good men to do nothing
Edmund Burke(1729-1797)
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